Twitter: Dak's stock keeps rising

[garyo1954]

None of those kinds of stats matter because wins and losses are achieves by teams not individual players. I am fond of saying that no player in the NFL can win a game all by himself but a QB absolutely can lose a game all by himself. A QB can play okay or even bad and other areas of the team can cover it up. But if a QB is inept enough he can make it impossible for even a great team around him to overcome. But you can only determine that from watching a game. If you didn't watch the game then you have no way of knowing how many of his interceptions bounced off a receiver's hands.. Or how many of his fumbles were caused by a blindside hit because the line whiffed on a block. Having watched every snap of every game Dak has played in his career I can honestly say I have rarely come away from a game feeling like he was the main reason we lost. Sure he has contributed... but I've not often left a game thinking "gee if only we had so and so at QB we would have won. On the flip side I have watched several games where I thought he absolutely bailed us out when the rest of the team wasn't really playing all that hot. He has been remarkably steady overall over the course of his career. He has had a passer rating over 100 in 34 of his 69 starts. Nearly half.. He's been above 90 in another 11. So in 45 of his 69 starts he has had what one would generally consider a good passer rating. He has only had 9 games in his career with 2 or more INTs. And only 11 games in which he has thrown more INTs than TDs. Even over these last 21 games when people are claiming he is "not elite" he has been over 100 passer rating 10 times and has only thrown more 2 or more INTs twice. His TD/INT ratio over those 21 games has been 39 to 15. Almost three to one. He has not failed to complete at least 55% of his passes since week 13 of 2017. And despite not being an accurate passer this kid has had a total of TWO games in his career under 50% completion rate. And both of those were his rookie year.

Just for comparison I looked up some of these same metrics for Russ in his first 69 games. In his first 69 starts Russ had 7 games with 2 or more INTs and 6 games with more INTs than TDs. Good stuff. Russ had a passer rating over 100 in 32 of those games.. and above 90 in 6 others.. So Russ was a little better on the TD/INT scale while Dak is a little better on the passing at a high level overall scale. They were a lot alike. That really proves out when you look at absolute stinker games.. Games with passer rating below 70... Both guys have been really good at staying away from the stinker.. Each had 10 such games in their first 69 starts. THeir TD/INT ratio overall was also very similar. 106/40 for Dak 108/35 for Russ. The more I look at this stuff the more I wonder why people act like it's an insult to say Dak should be paid on par with what Russ got. When looking at similar points in their careers the numbers for their individual play are remarkably similar. Of course Russ won more.. but maybe.. just MAYBE having one of the best defenses in modern history had a little something to do with that.

If none of those stats matter why did you bother looking?

 

[RonnieT24]

If none of those stats matter why did you bother looking?

I "win/loss record against winning teams" was the stat I was referring to. Because games are won and lost by teams not individuals and one can only determine the extent which an individual contributed to a win or loss by watching the games.
The reason I bothered to look up the other stats was simple.. The computer simulation I had running was taking forever and I needed something to pass the time. And this was something I was curious about ..

 

[garyo1954]

I "win/loss record against winning teams" was the stat I was referring to. Because games are won and lost by teams not individuals and one can only determine the extent which an individual contributed to a win or loss by watching the games.
The reason I bothered to look up the other stats was simple.. The computer simulation I had running was taking forever and I needed something to pass the time. And this was something I was curious about ..

If stats didn't matter they wouldn't bother keeping them, IMO.

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

If stats didn't matter they wouldn't bother keeping them, IMO.

Using W/L as the only stat when discussing a single players performance is about as useless as a monk buying condoms

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

Stafford has how many playoff wins again? In three times as many seasons? I'll wait while you go look it up.

Lolololol @CATCH17
Keep that same energy

You just got owned hahahaha

 

[QuincyCarterEra]

Gee where have I read that before.. Oh yeah.. somebody said pretty much the exact same thing about Dalton..

"I think Dalton is a more skilled passer and will make better reads than Dak but Dak's athleticism gives him the overall edge."

Remember who said that? Cause I do..

Now that that idiotic proclamation has been proven false it's on the next "Anybody but Dak Prescott." Matthew Stafford step right up.

Killin em Ronnie, KILLING him hahaha. This is great.

He should give up on evaluating QBs, he might be the worst on this board at it.

 

[garyo1954]

Using W/L as the only stat when discussing a single players performance is about as useless as a monk buying condoms

May be true, but that's the way life treats it.
Same with the coach.

Hired who?
That guy has a losing record!
He's only considered good because he had X QB!
He's too stupid to coach according to mediots!

I didn't make the rules, did I?

 

[Flamma]

If hes a QB like we see more and in the NFL as top 10 pick like Daniel Jones, Haskins, Johnny football, Tebow, and in the past big time busts and not working out , you better be 100% sold on the draft pick, having 5 years of BAD QB pay or something that looks like Jameis Winston, in between bust and good, you cant waste a top pick on qb when you need so much on defense. If the best we can hope for is somewhere in between like dak or Cousins type, is that worth taking them over stud defender? i mean you have that player already in dak and in 2022 im betting a lot of contracts are cut loose with trades and cuts to Cooper, Zeke, Dlaw ,and others..so you start your rebuild on defense now, and 2022 you have Dak and fill in around him..

Hold on for one second. The players I put in bold, I'm not sure many people thought they were going to be elite QBs other than the teams that drafted them. Yes I thought Jameis was garbage before he was drafted. A friend of mine told me the entire draft class that included Mayfield, Darnold, Rosen, and them were all hype, and he was right. So I'll admit you make a very good point. It is a risk. But a few in this last draft class look pretty good. And at least two in this next draft class look good.

 

[blueblood70]

Hold on for one second. The players I put in bold, I'm not sure many people thought they were going to be elite QBs other than the teams that drafted them. Yes I thought Jameis was garbage before he was drafted. A friend of mine told me the entire draft class that included Mayfield, Darnold, Rosen, and them were all hype, and he was right. So I'll admit you make a very good point. It is a risk. But a few in this last draft class look pretty good. And at least two in this next draft class look good.

that small sample of mistakes at QB top of the draft just recent and sorry but they were taken high and are not very good. Others slip out of top 10 or drafted like Dak in the 4th or Brady in the 6th..its very risky..ive seen Heiman type players fail in the NFL qbs and others..

so just because we have top pick and Fields ids there he can simply be another bust or average QB who never lives up to his draft status..

was wentz worth all those draft picks ? rosen where was he taken 10th Darnold? thee are recent you can go back to some #1 overall QB draft busts all through out eras..

isnt here a saying

a bird in the hand is better then one in the bush..

its just saying be careful what you wish for,..

the grass is not always greener on the other side..

i guess what im really saying is there always very limited amount of QBs in given draft maybe 1 or 2 at best and then its all rolling the dice after that but that doesnt mean those 2 top prospects will amount to anything..no guarantees..

 

[Flamma]

that small sample of mistakes at QB top of the draft just recent and sorry but they were taken high and are not very good. Others slip out of top 10 or drafted like Dak in the 4th or Brady in the 6th..its very risky..ive seen Heiman type players fail in the NFL qbs and others..

so just because we have top pick and Fields ids there he can simply be another bust or average QB who never lives up to his draft status..

was wentz worth all those draft picks ? rosen where was he taken 10th Darnold? thee are recent you can go back to some #1 overall QB draft busts all through out eras..

isnt here a saying

a bird in the hand is better then one in the bush..

its just saying be careful what you wish for,..

the grass is not always greener on the other side..

i guess what im really saying is there always very limited amount of QBs in given draft maybe 1 or 2 at best and then its all rolling the dice after that but that doesnt mean those 2 top prospects will amount to anything..no guarantees..

Dude, I don't disagree with you. I'm just looking for a Joe Burrow.

 

[blueblood70]

Dude, I don't disagree with you. I'm just looking for a Joe Burrow.

I dont know Joe looks great but Herbert who after staying an extra year even though he could have been maybe #1 overall, come in drafted a bit lower at 6th and looks the part as well..

sometimes one just falls to you..

 

[Flamma]

I dont know Joe looks great but Herbert who after staying an extra year even though he could have been maybe #1 overall, come in drafted a bit lower at 6th and looks the part as well..

sometimes one just falls to you..

Yeah he looks really good too. Same with Drew Lock. He's looking good after a shaky start.

If Dallas gets a top 2 pick I see two legit avenues. Pick up a new QB, or trade the pick for multiple 1st rounders and pay our current QB. I really can't argue against either one. Both are solid approaches. But I prefer picking up the QB.

 

[blueblood70]

Yeah he looks really good too. Same with Drew Lock. He's looking good after a shaky start.

If Dallas gets a top 2 pick I see two legit avenues. Pick up a new QB, or trade the pick for multiple 1st rounders and pay our current QB. I really can't argue against either one. Both are solid approaches. But I prefer picking up the QB.

agreed..

 

[RonnieT24]

Yeah he looks really good too. Same with Drew Lock. He's looking good after a shaky start.

If Dallas gets a top 2 pick I see two legit avenues. Pick up a new QB, or trade the pick for multiple 1st rounders and pay our current QB. I really can't argue against either one. Both are solid approaches. But I prefer picking up the QB.

Here is the Cowboys list of problems currently:

OT
CB
S
LB
DT

Here the Cowboys list of problems if they don't sign their QB

OT
CB
S
LB
DT
QB.

You don't solve your problems by creating new ones.

 

[Captain-Crash]

yeah, let's sign him and let him play behind the line we have now on offense and defense. let's go, super stat.

 

[RonnieT24]

I dont know Joe looks great but Herbert who after staying an extra year even though he could have been maybe #1 overall, come in drafted a bit lower at 6th and looks the part as well..

sometimes one just falls to you..

Herbert is having a really nice rookie season. But he went to a much better situation than Burrow.. He has two really good receivers and a solid running game. Not having as good a senior season as expected probably saved him from years of misery. Ironically Cincy has the better record by a half game thanks to the Eagles.. I think the Chargers are closer to being a competitive team than the Bengals.. but we'll have to wait and see. I love what both the kids are doing.. but for all their flowery numbers they have a combined record of 3-11-1. As we are reminded every day on this board.. If your stats don't lead to wins then they are of no value. And they both have the benefit of playing opposite a better defense than the one we have here in Dallas.

 

[Sevenup3000]

Stafford has how many playoff wins again? In three times as many seasons? I'll wait while you go look it up.

I remember in Dak's rookie year, when he made less in one full season than Stafford made in 1 quarter playing against Dak on Monday Night Football, people like Catch yelled and screamed that Stafford should've been named to the pro bowl over Dak that year...and how Stafford (who is from Texas) was going to show up Dak on National T.V.

Dak then proceeded to own Stafford and had probably the best game a rookie QB has had on MNF.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Dude I was on this forum saying to draft a QB when Romo was here at the end. I’m consistent and my only problem with Dak is he wants elite money when he’s not elite.

dak wants 35 million per year. The going rate. Simple as that. Same thing your going to have to pay Lawrence in 4-5 years. The going rate.

and let’s just take 3 million off his price tag and make it....”not elite money”.

is 3 million going to make us a contender?

your stance is just dumb. You never liked dak and this salary thing is just your latest hang up because it’s all you got left.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Herbert is having a really nice rookie season. But he went to a much better situation than Burrow.. He has two really good receivers and a solid running game. Not having as good a senior season as expected probably saved him from years of misery. Ironically Cincy has the better record by a half game thanks to the Eagles.. I think the Chargers are closer to being a competitive team than the Bengals.. but we'll have to wait and see. I love what both the kids are doing.. but for all their flowery numbers they have a combined record of 3-11-1. As we are reminded every day on this board.. If your stats don't lead to wins then they are of no value. And they both have the benefit of playing opposite a better defense than the one we have here in Dallas.

Burrows looks amazing as well. Both studs. Both will get 40 million plus in 4 years.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I remember in Dak's rookie year, when he made less in one full season than Stafford made in 1 quarter playing against Dak on Monday Night Football, people like Catch yelled and screamed that Stafford should've been named to the pro bowl over Dak that year...and how Stafford (who is from Texas) was going to show up Dak on National T.V.

Dak then proceeded to own Stafford and had probably the best game a rookie QB has had on MNF.

yep...these clown were complaining that dak was just a bus driver and could never carry a team.

they have been proven wrong 10 times over. They can’t live with the shame so now they don’t want to pay him. Lol