The case for going for Lawrence

[CouchCoach]

We have 2 wins. We could easily end up with the #1 pick in the draft. We also face the Jets this year. We already lost to the Skins as well.

Don't face the Jets this year, lost to them last year.

 

[phildadon86]

Here is the case..

He’s cheap and he’s a transcendent talent.

LOL. Transcendent now? Hasnt played a down in the NFL. Transcendent. What is Dalton? GOAT status in your books?

 

[CouchCoach]

they know more then you that i know for sure.. i trust them more then any fan thats for sure

There is no reason to insult me.

 

[Praxit]

..my theory has always been, if it works no need fixing it. Dak and offense when clicking they are hard bunch to stop. It was our defense that was planting mines and blowing things up. Pass on the TL idea, draft a couple of stud D players.

In the meantime have a cup of Johnnie Walker Eggnog. Hey, we almost beat Pitt with 4th string QB.

 

[GMO415]

..my theory has always been, if it works no need fixing it. Dak and offense when clicking they are hard bunch to stop. It was our defense that was planting mines and blowing things up. Pass on the TL idea, draft a couple of stud D players.

In the meantime have a cup of Johnnie Walker Eggnog. Hey, we almost beat Pitt with 4th string QB.

21 fumbling the ball every game didn't help.

 

[Sarge]

I like him too.. I like the Cowboys more and paying Dak will prove to be the wrong decision for the TEAM.

Perhaps....but that is exactly what Jerry is going to do.

 

[mattjames2010]

Don't face the Jets this year, lost to them last year.

Ah yeah, it's the Bengals we will be facing. They are much better than their record.

 

[xwalker]

You were expecting that to continue? They could only put up 17 against a good D.

If the Cowboys had a top 12 D, I wouldn't even be considering this but this is about overcoming inept team building on the D side of the ball.

The highest probability of getting better on defense is to get a top 2 pick and trade down.

Add 2 elite players to the defense and it completely changes everything. All surrounding players get better. Players #1 to #9 become players #3 to #11.

Their biggest need is a prime years Snacks Harrison type DT and those types don't even require a top 10 pick because elite run defenders are not as valued in the modern era.

The concept of the Mike Nolan defense is similar to a Belichick concept of smart players with good but not uber elite talent can make it work. Those players can be obtained a little later in the draft than the uber elite physical ability types. TJ Watt would likely have been a perfect Mike Nolan player.

Belichick developed a mid 2nd round type player Kyle Van Noy into arguably the best player on his defense in seasons when that defense was top 5 and sometimes #1. It worked because Van Noy has Sean Lee type football intelligence combined with decent but not elite physical ability.

Marinelli on the flip side designed his defense to be as simple as possible but it required players with very specific physical skills. Unfortunately there are a limited number of humans with Warren Sapp type physical ability.

 

[mattjames2010]

Perhaps....but that is exactly what Jerry is going to do.

Then why hasn't he done it yet?

 

[CouchCoach]

One thing that is a factor in this is the same issue with Prescott, the team around them. Lawrence, Fields and Trask all have excellent teams around them and 2 or all 3 of the 3 should be in the CFP so they're used to being surrounded by a good team. Lawrence has had as talented a team as there is in college ball on both sides of the ball.

That was the same issue I saw with Murray and Burrow, the talent around them and LSU set the record for draft picks off one team. However, when you watch them play, you see it. They're special, they can do things others cannot.

I feel that if the Cowboys stick with Prescott, the margin for error for the team around him will be considerably thinner than if they had one of these young studs.

One thing you need to consider about Prescott, not many rookie QB's come into the situation he did with that OL, run game and receiving corps. The two previous ones that did were Marino and Rothliesberger. And there is no getting around the one stat even the Daksters can't justify, his record against the better competition. He's good but not good enough.

 

[Praxit]

21 fumbling the ball every game didn't help.

... I didn't mention that, because its not like Zeke. But your right, bonehead needs to refocus the offense only gets better.

 

[kumizi]

why do people keep making these threads?

we have <1% chance of getting the #1 pick

 

[sunalsorises]

I see it as more of a timing issue. By the time this team can compete they are going to be toward the end of whichever QB's contract. Might as well get one in on a rookie deal who will be younger when it is time to negotiate rather than Dak (who I think is good enough to win as well) who will be negotiating for his last contract. This team is not a player or two away. Jerry has been making that mistake all the way back to Aikman. They built this thing up and it has maxed out. Exit Garret, McCarthy couldn’t save it so now it is time to start over and that means QB as well.

 

[Runwildboys]

One thing that is a factor in this is the same issue with Prescott, the team around them. Lawrence, Fields and Trask all have excellent teams around them and 2 or all 3 of the 3 should be in the CFP so they're used to being surrounded by a good team. Lawrence has had as talented a team as there is in college ball on both sides of the ball.

That was the same issue I saw with Murray and Burrow, the talent around them and LSU set the record for draft picks off one team. However, when you watch them play, you see it. They're special, they can do things others cannot.

I feel that if the Cowboys stick with Prescott, the margin for error for the team around him will be considerably thinner than if they had one of these young studs.

One thing you need to consider about Prescott, not many rookie QB's come into the situation he did with that OL, run game and receiving corps. The two previous ones that did were Marino and Rothliesberger. And there is no getting around the one stat even the Daksters can't justify, his record against the better competition. He's good but not good enough.

Is that because of Dak, or because of the guys around him, particularly the defense and ST (which, until recently was quite a liability)? What QB can make his defense and ST play better? I'm not saying Dak is the best QB there is, but I don't know if there's such a thing as a QB who's good enough to win against good teams with the supporting cast Dak has had.

 

[mattjames2010]

why do people keep making these threads?

we have <1% chance of getting the #1 pick

Based on what? We are in a battle with a few teams, Jags, Jets, Commanders, Chargers, Texans and Bengals. Chargers and Bengals are far better than their records, we already lost to the Skins and will be playing them again, Texans will win another game, so it comes down to Jags, Jets, and Cowboys.

That % is a lot higher. Looking at our schedule, it's not unreasonable to think we don't win another game.

 

[blueblood70]

There is no reason to insult me.

not an insult, statement of fact...

 

[xwalker]

I honestly think if they were to invest in the defense and O-line, Dak has the talent to get to and win a SB. As @xwalker pointed out, if Dak had even a slightly better than mediocre defense, he would've won most of the games, if not all of them.

@CouchCoach is obsessed with Jerry.

He probably still hates him for firing Landry.

In reality Jerry is minimally involved in football operations the past several years. As long as Jerry gets the camera and mic time with the media he stays out of everything else. Stephen Jones pushed Garrett out and hired McCarthy. It was obvious Jerry on his own would have retained Garrett.

Stephen Jones has a plan and philosophy of building a team. I don't know for certain that it is a good plan/philosophy but he does have one which is something that Jerry never had. Jerry was a wildcatter. SJ is more of an Exxon CEO type.

 

[Runwildboys]

I am not a SB or bust fan, gave up on that. I will not see that in the rest of my lifetime so I am looking for some fun watching a stud QB.

You put Prescott on a good balanced team and I think he can get to a SB but on this team? No, have no illusions about that. Hell, the guy is throwing like a madman and was on a record pace this season and the team had a losing record. However, Dak must get rid of the same problem he had in college, Big Game Syndrome.

Stud QBs are fun to watch, but I'd rather see a whole team playing well.

 

[blueblood70]

Is that because of Dak, or because of the guys around him, particularly the defense and ST (which, until recently was quite a liability)? What QB can make his defense and ST play better? I'm not saying Dak is the best QB there is, but I don't know if there's such a thing as a QB who's good enough to win against good teams with the supporting cast Dak has had.

Wilson Mahomes etc

 

[starfan1]

Based on what? We are in a battle with a few teams, Jags, Jets, Commanders, Chargers, Texans and Bengals. Chargers and Bengals are far better than their records, we already lost to the Skins and will be playing them again, Texans will win another game, so it comes down to Jags, Jets, and Cowboys.

That % is a lot higher. Looking at our schedule, it's not unreasonable to think we don't win another game.

nor it is unreasonable to see 6 or 7 victories although Diggs injury hurts.