They cannot make the Lamb mistake again

[CouchCoach]

With all due respect, you should strip yourself of posting privileges. Its one thing to say this before the season starts but now you have the benefit of a season of actual facts. Can you name a defender who was taken in that range that did much of anything? Drafting for need over talent is what gets you Taco. At the very least, CD is an asset that has trade value whereas a bust has none. If there had been an equal defender available, sure. But there wasn't. Not even close. Those are just the facts.

That will be my first official act. And rest assured, I have issued me a strong warning.

This is not about Lamb and it wouldn't matter if he'd been a total bust, at the time, taking a WR was a luxury pick on a team in need of D necessities. We don't have the luxury of looking back at the time of the draft, it is all based on the come and calculated risk.

Now, about the player. Those catches he made, no one else is going to make those? If you watched him at OU, his game was a possession WR that broke tackles. Did you see a lot of that this season, breaking tackles and being the RAC monster he was in college? He became the 3rd WR on an offense that ranked 2nd in 2019 and dropped to 7 in 2020 and he ranked 2nd in drops so there is that. He had that problem at OU as well, particularly with the easy catches.

There was not a D player that we could of picked, except maybe Queen, that could have had impact on this season but if we'd have taken a D player, we would have been stepping in the right direction. But we didn't know any of that at the time.

 

[Doomsday101]

Yep, flexibility is the key, like you said, gotta have a partner, and there's no way of telling what any draft will do, no way the Cowboys get Collins from LSU normally, but a police investigation pops up and he falls to your spot. Can't count on those of course but you never know.

Can go the other way of course, Taco a good example, highly rated but never worked out...

Taco was a guy some had rated fairly high and yet many others did not have him rated high. Lamb everyone had him rated high. Lamb bring talent Taco was a bust and those are the real killers when your top pick can't make it in the NFL. He offers you nothing and that can't be said about Lamb

 

[LACowboysFan1]

Dallas tried to address in FA, McCoy was injured before the start of the season, Poe did not pan out and Dallas did draft Gallimore who I think has shown signs of being a good player at DT. We clearly need another DT. I don't buy into reaching for players in the draft and use FA to fill holes. When you use the draft to strictly fill holes that is how you end up reaching for players who do not pan out and that is what kills team, using a big investment on a player who goes bust.

No doubt you can't go strictly for need, or just go bpa. I've said for years it has to be a balance between them. Trading down does give you more picks, and after all you can't have all first rounders, whether you go bpa or for need, after about round 2 it's largely a crap shoot, though evaluations can help. If you have multiple needs even if you pick bpa in later rounds with more picks the more likelihood that bpa will also fill a need, nice to get those picks...

 

[CouchCoach]

Dallas said right after the draft that if Lamb hadn’t have fallen, Chaisson would’ve been the pick with the way things fell. It was either Jerry or Stephen that said it while answering media questions.

And no, Chaisson wouldn’t have helped much and likely would’ve been stuck behind Smith, Gregory and Armstrong.

I wasn't aware of that and someone should have posted that for me because I don't watch or listen to either of those two people.

 

[Doomsday101]

That will be my first official act. And rest assured, I have issued me a strong warning.

This is not about Lamb and it wouldn't matter if he'd been a total bust, at the time, taking a WR was a luxury pick on a team in need of D necessities. We don't have the luxury of looking back at the time of the draft, it is all based on the come and calculated risk.

Now, about the player. Those catches he made, no one else is going to make those? If you watched him at OU, his game was a possession WR that broke tackles. Did you see a lot of that this season, breaking tackles and being the RAC monster he was in college? He became the 3rd WR on an offense that ranked 2nd in 2019 and dropped to 7 in 2020 and he ranked 2nd in drops so there is that. He had that problem at OU as well, particularly with the easy catches.

There was not a D player that we could of picked, except maybe Queen, that could have had impact on this season but if we'd have taken a D player, we would have been stepping in the right direction. But we didn't know any of that at the time.

It does matter, talent matters bust players do not give you anything, no trade value not production of the field. That happens when you reach for a player as opposed to drafting top talent. Draft is not just about 2021 it is about the longer term. FA is what is used to fill voids not what you use to build teams

 

[Carter]

That will be my first official act. And rest assured, I have issued me a strong warning.

This is not about Lamb and it wouldn't matter if he'd been a total bust, at the time, taking a WR was a luxury pick on a team in need of D necessities. We don't have the luxury of looking back at the time of the draft, it is all based on the come and calculated risk.

Now, about the player. Those catches he made, no one else is going to make those? If you watched him at OU, his game was a possession WR that broke tackles. Did you see a lot of that this season, breaking tackles and being the RAC monster he was in college? He became the 3rd WR on an offense that ranked 2nd in 2019 and dropped to 7 in 2020 and he ranked 2nd in drops so there is that. He had that problem at OU as well, particularly with the easy catches.

There was not a D player that we could of picked, except maybe Queen, that could have had impact on this season but if we'd have taken a D player, we would have been stepping in the right direction. But we didn't know any of that at the time.

We took Taco Charlton in the first not long ago. You dont reach for players if no one is there when u pick.

The best option was Lamb or a Tradedown and i bet they had some offers for a trade down but maybe none was better than just picking Lamb.

Also Lamb is a long term decision as either Gallup or Cooper or maybe both wont be here in two years time.

 

[Doomsday101]

No doubt you can't go strictly for need, or just go bpa. I've said for years it has to be a balance between them. Trading down does give you more picks, and after all you can't have all first rounders, whether you go bpa or for need, after about round 2 it's largely a crap shoot, though evaluations can help. If you have multiple needs even if you pick bpa in later rounds with more picks the more likelihood that bpa will also fill a need, nice to get those picks...

I agree. Dallas had Gallup and Cooper then who? a bunch of question marks. Dallas lost Beasley so claiming we were loaded at WR? no outside of the 2 we were thin. Was it the biggest need? No but it was far from a wasted pick and in return we got top talent a guy worthy of a #1 pick.

 

[LACowboysFan1]

FA is what is used to fill voids not what you use to build teams

Too bad Dallas hasn't a clue how to pick FAs, Jerry thinks every free agent is another Charles Haley.

And he (or whoever), takes guys that are too old, recovering from injury or were released not because of their play but team-related issue, and so on.

If you can't evaluate free agents it's just a waste of money and blocks younger guys from developing...

 

[CouchCoach]

Let's say Parsons and Surtain are gone but at 10 sits Pitts, who will be the highest rated TE on all boards of passing teams and let's assume the Cowboys have him at 5 on their board.

Are you OK with them taking him? Little question he could help any passing team because this kid is the real deal, he is that next Gonzalez if he stays healthy and gets with the right team. He's a freak for any DB or LB to try and cover.

Picking 10 this time and 17 last time is not much difference and that draft was deeper. Are you OK with neglecting the D again in the 1st round to have a talent like Pitts?

 

[Carter]

Let's say Parsons and Surtain are gone but at 10 sits Pitts, who will be the highest rated TE on all boards of passing teams and let's assume the Cowboys have him at 5 on their board.

Are you OK with them taking him? Little question he could help any passing team because this kid is the real deal, he is that next Gonzalez if he stays healthy and gets with the right team. He's a freak for any DB or LB to try and cover.

Picking 10 this time and 17 last time is not much difference and that draft was deeper. Are you OK with neglecting the D again in the 1st round to have a talent like Pitts?

Again depends what Talent is available. If no high rated D Player is on the board u take BPA or look for a tradedown. This Draft doesnt have much top talent on Defense which is bad for us anyway so i think a tradedown is a really good option this year. I expect a lot of movement as several teams have multiple 1sts this year

 

[LACowboysFan1]

I agree. Dallas had Gallup and Cooper then who? a bunch of question marks. Dallas lost Beasley so claiming we were loaded at WR? no outside of the 2 we were thin. Was it the biggest need? No but it was far from a wasted pick and in return we got top talent a guy worthy of a #1 pick.

Agreed, though I don't think many if any here are saying it was a wasted pick, that'd be silly based on what he did this year.

It was more saying a defensive player would have helped the team more.

But like any draft, we'll have to wait another year or two to see if it was the right choice...

 

[CouchCoach]

I agree. Dallas had Gallup and Cooper then who? a bunch of question marks. Dallas lost Beasley so claiming we were loaded at WR? no outside of the 2 we were thin. Was it the biggest need? No but it was far from a wasted pick and in return we got top talent a guy worthy of a #1 pick.

No question he was worthy of a 1st pick but to what teams? It wasn't like the Cowboys had an OK defense, it was bad and then got worse. Would Chaisson have helped that? Nope, but we didn't know that at the time.

Some can justify Chase or Smith at 10, Gallup will be up in 22, why not grab another WR? Already spent 2 1sts on WR's in the last 3 drafts, what's one more?

Spending a 1st to replace Beasley is ridiculous to me. Of the teams in the playoffs, name the ones with triplets that cost them 2 1sts and a 3rd.

 

[LACowboysFan1]

Let's say Parsons and Surtain are gone but at 10 sits Pitts, who will be the highest rated TE on all boards of passing teams and let's assume the Cowboys have him at 5 on their board.

Are you OK with them taking him? Little question he could help any passing team because this kid is the real deal, he is that next Gonzalez if he stays healthy and gets with the right team. He's a freak for any DB or LB to try and cover.

Picking 10 this time and 17 last time is not much difference and that draft was deeper. Are you OK with neglecting the D again in the 1st round to have a talent like Pitts?

NO. We saw that Schultz is at least decent, Jarwin got hurt so we need to see if he can come back, and we have Hikuni as well. With Cooper, Gallup and Lamb there's really not enough targets to justify adding a pass catching tight end anyway...

 

[CATCH17]

Let's say Parsons and Surtain are gone but at 10 sits Pitts, who will be the highest rated TE on all boards of passing teams and let's assume the Cowboys have him at 5 on their board.

Are you OK with them taking him? Little question he could help any passing team because this kid is the real deal, he is that next Gonzalez if he stays healthy and gets with the right team. He's a freak for any DB or LB to try and cover.

Picking 10 this time and 17 last time is not much difference and that draft was deeper. Are you OK with neglecting the D again in the 1st round to have a talent like Pitts?

Yep.. Gotta take what the draft gives you.

 

[Doomsday101]

Agreed, though I don't think many if any here are saying it was a wasted pick, that'd be silly based on what he did this year.

It was more saying a defensive player would have helped the team more.

But like any draft, we'll have to wait another year or two to see if it was the right choice...

Defense does need to be addressed and Dallas did not neglect defense in last years draft, 2nd pick CB Diggs whom I think will develop into a quality CB, Gallimore at DT. Robinson in the 4th and Anae in the 5th. I fully expect Dallas to go heavy on defense in this coming draft and may need to look at drafting a OT given the situation with Tyron Smith.

 

[CouchCoach]

Again depends what Talent is available. If no high rated D Player is on the board u take BPA or look for a tradedown. This Draft doesnt have much top talent on Defense which is bad for us anyway so i think a tradedown is a really good option this year. I expect a lot of movement as several teams have multiple 1sts this year

It's funny, these shallow drafts always bring the predictions from the analysts of a dynamic 1st round and then every team stands pat and takes their guy.

I agree about the D talent depth, it's just not there and there could be a prize for one team at that 10 spot because I am assuming Sewell, Parsons and Surtain will be gone but with the QB's in this class and Chase and Smith, anything can happen in that top 10.

The double edged sword of this is the Cowboys D is so bad, they could use any position but DE. There are more holes than starters.

 

[LACowboysFan1]

The double edged sword of this is the Cowboys D is so bad, they could use any position but DE. There are more holes than starters.

Trading down for more picks gives you a better chance that your draft chart, if based on who is the bpa, will also contain a position of need. Win-win...

 

[CouchCoach]

NO. We saw that Schultz is at least decent, Jarwin got hurt so we need to see if he can come back, and we have Hikuni as well. With Cooper, Gallup and Lamb there's really not enough targets to justify adding a pass catching tight end anyway...

That's what you think and that's what I think but what do you think Booger thinks? He cannot have enough weapons.

I will say this about Pitts, he could be that generational talent we're always talking about. His problem at FL was the same as OJ Howard's at Bama, too many targets.

 

[Doomsday101]

No question he was worthy of a 1st pick but to what teams? It wasn't like the Cowboys had an OK defense, it was bad and then got worse. Would Chaisson have helped that? Nope, but we didn't know that at the time.

Some can justify Chase or Smith at 10, Gallup will be up in 22, why not grab another WR? Already spent 2 1sts on WR's in the last 3 drafts, what's one more?

Spending a 1st to replace Beasley is ridiculous to me. Of the teams in the playoffs, name the ones with triplets that cost them 2 1sts and a 3rd.

Dallas did address needs on defense hell 5 of the 7 picks were defense. I can promise you that Dallas will not be able to fill every need in this draft and will look to mid range FA to help fill voids then again that is what most teams have to do.

 

[CouchCoach]

Trading down for more picks gives you a better chance that your draft chart, if based on who is the bpa, will also contain a position of need. Win-win...

There's something to be said for trading out for multiple picks in 22 because of the one time NCAA rule of allowing all players an extra year.

If drafting is all about the future, then the future should be considered. The Dolphins ended up with the 3rd pick doing that with a player.