Has Dak been hiding how bad our offensive is?

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No. He's actually displayed exactly how good or bad or Offense is. People, you need to stop acting like Dak is the difference maker in our Offense. It's just not true. The strength of our team is the OL. It has been for years. When the OL is strong, the Offense is good. When it's not, the Offense is bad. It's as straight forward as that.
True to an extent (about needing a good Oline), yet Dak had this Offense ranked at #1 in total yards and #2 in points per game while playing behind this same beat up Oline as DiNucci, Gilbert and Dalton did who depreciated the O rankings down to #16 on both points. So, yes, Dak did make a huge difference.
 

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Here's the best part.....

Almost none of them do it while getting a big fat contract! Even the elites!

So that is why you pay the elites or guys that have rings and tell the Dak's to take a hike for that price.

You guys are so close to getting it and then your fandom kicks in.

Okay, just so you're aware, QB contracts are going through the roof regardless of what you do. Ironically, by drafting another QB, you're not saving money later. It's only maybe a short term fix. QB contracts are going up by a lot, and it's not going to come down anytime soon. With Mahomes getting basically $45 mil, good luck getting most QBs to come much below it. Just this offseason alone, there is a large array of QBs likely either needing a new deal or getting moved one way or another. Oh, and then there are QBs that'll want more with their team. It's the nature of the business. Lamar Jackson is likely to get a new deal this offseason. I expect it to be somewhere around what Mahomes got with how highly the Ravens value him. Josh Allen isn't far behind along with Baker Mayfield (I'm starting to sound like Yakko Warner lol, and now the QBs of the League, brought to you by Furboy). Then there's Deshaun Watson who seems to want out ASAP, so he'll likely be looking for a new deal wherever he ends up. Oh, and if he's with the Jets, they've got a boatload of cap space, so don't be surprised if they extend him. So we're looking at a lot for him if that happens. Matt Stafford is leaving Detroit, so he'll probably want one last payday before he retires. Cam Newton is likely out of NE, so he's going to be looking for a good payday as will Trubisky if he's out in Chicago. With the likely high volume of movement, watch the deals go through the roof. According to https://www.nfl.com/news/debrief-previewing-movers-and-shakers-in-2021-qb-market, Kirk Cousins has 1 year left on his deal, and moving him would result in the Vikings saving $11 mil. So, whoever takes him, if the Vikings sell him, would need to make him an offer. He'd probably want one more payday as well. Jacoby Brisset is likely out of Indy, so watch for him to get a big deal too. And wait until you see the QBs available next offseason or who's guaranteed money runs out. I fully expect someone in this offseason or next offseason to get a deal for $50 mil a year.

Therefore, smarter thing to do IS pay Dak and pay him soon. He's an excellent QB, and you're not likely to find a better one in this draft with where we are picking. Plus, we need defence and Surtain should be our top priority at 10 to pair with Diggs since he will likely be the best defencive player available when we're picking, essentially making the corners difficult to pass on. Your outside WRs are essentially locked down with those two at CB on each side making the middle of the field easier to defend. Furthermore, you don't just call 1-800-Franchis-eQB to get a franchise QB. When you have a franchise QB like we do, you take care of them, unless you're the Texans or Jets and end up finding yourself where you are now. But, let's say we take your suggestion in a slightly different way. Let's say we draft a QB midrounds after taking Surtain. Typically, a QB taken in the mid rounds like Dak was has a 4 year deal. If the QB is remotely good, he'll probably be advised by his agent to take nothing less than $40-50 mil and up depending on how high the QB market goes. Essentially saving NOTHING compared to what you could've had if you paid Dak who's likely better than that QB. What do you do then? Or, let's say the QB ends up being the next Tom Brady. By the time the contract discussion comes in 3 years before his final deal, I suspect you'd be looking at $65-70 mil per year. What do you do then?
 

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You have it backwards. The talent along the OL and RB when Dak 1st got here made him look so much better than what he was. When either the OL faltered or Zeke was out he was terrible.

This. So much this.
 

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You had Demarco Murray rush for nearly 2,000 yards and be selected Not only for the pro bowl but ALL pro too.

he couldn’t even get 700 next year with the Eagles dude.

it was by far our best offensive line

Both years Leary was in the lineup and i'd argue he was our best linebacker.

La'el Collins and Connor Williams have never performed at that spot and provided the physicality in the run game like he did.
 

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Okay, just so you're aware, QB contracts are going through the roof regardless of what you do. Ironically, by drafting another QB, you're not saving money later. It's only maybe a short term fix. QB contracts are going up by a lot, and it's not going to come down anytime soon. With Mahomes getting basically $45 mil, good luck getting most QBs to come much below it. Just this offseason alone, there is a large array of QBs likely either needing a new deal or getting moved one way or another. Oh, and then there are QBs that'll want more with their team. It's the nature of the business. Lamar Jackson is likely to get a new deal this offseason. I expect it to be somewhere around what Mahomes got with how highly the Ravens value him. Josh Allen isn't far behind along with Baker Mayfield (I'm starting to sound like Yakko Warner lol, and now the QBs of the League, brought to you by Furboy). Then there's Deshaun Watson who seems to want out ASAP, so he'll likely be looking for a new deal wherever he ends up. Oh, and if he's with the Jets, they've got a boatload of cap space, so don't be surprised if they extend him. So we're looking at a lot for him if that happens. Matt Stafford is leaving Detroit, so he'll probably want one last payday before he retires. Cam Newton is likely out of NE, so he's going to be looking for a good payday as will Trubisky if he's out in Chicago. With the likely high volume of movement, watch the deals go through the roof. According to https://www.nfl.com/news/debrief-previewing-movers-and-shakers-in-2021-qb-market, Kirk Cousins has 1 year left on his deal, and moving him would result in the Vikings saving $11 mil. So, whoever takes him, if the Vikings sell him, would need to make him an offer. He'd probably want one more payday as well. Jacoby Brisset is likely out of Indy, so watch for him to get a big deal too. And wait until you see the QBs available next offseason or who's guaranteed money runs out. I fully expect someone in this offseason or next offseason to get a deal for $50 mil a year.

Therefore, smarter thing to do IS pay Dak and pay him soon. He's an excellent QB, and you're not likely to find a better one in this draft with where we are picking. Plus, we need defence and Surtain should be our top priority at 10 to pair with Diggs since he will likely be the best defencive player available when we're picking, essentially making the corners difficult to pass on. Your outside WRs are essentially locked down with those two at CB on each side making the middle of the field easier to defend. Furthermore, you don't just call 1-800-Franchis-eQB to get a franchise QB. When you have a franchise QB like we do, you take care of them, unless you're the Texans or Jets and end up finding yourself where you are now. But, let's say we take your suggestion in a slightly different way. Let's say we draft a QB midrounds after taking Surtain. Typically, a QB taken in the mid rounds like Dak was has a 4 year deal. If the QB is remotely good, he'll probably be advised by his agent to take nothing less than $40-50 mil and up depending on how high the QB market goes. Essentially saving NOTHING compared to what you could've had if you paid Dak who's likely better than that QB. What do you do then? Or, let's say the QB ends up being the next Tom Brady. By the time the contract discussion comes in 3 years before his final deal, I suspect you'd be looking at $65-70 mil per year. What do you do then?

Paying the non-elite QB will have you watching teams with elite QB's and QB's on rookie contracts play in the Superbowl.
 

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In 2019 we ranked #1 in yards per game and #4 in points per game with a bruised Amari Cooper, still raw Micheal Gallup, and Randall Cobb who only started 6 games.

and before anyone says it was because we were down all the time we ranked #3 in points scored in the 1st quarter and #4 in points scored in the 2nd quarter.


Come 2020 for the first 4 games Dak started we ranked #2 in points per game and again #1 in yards per game.

Unfortunately, He gets hurt and we see Kellen Moore coach us to a slightly below average ranking of #16 in both points and yards.


Are we wasting our franchise quarterback’s prime and top 10 wideout with doo doo play callers?


....and those great stats got Dallas what? Say it with me: a 10-11 record by Dak in 2019-2020.
 

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Dak is very good.

The fact that he led our offense to the #1 ranking in 2019, and again in 2020 (by a large margin) before he was injured speaks volumes. And he did it this year playing behind a patchwork OL.

If only he had a good defense, special teams, and coaching to help him be even more successful.
 

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Dak is very good.

The fact that he led our offense to the #1 ranking in 2019, and again in 2020 (by a large margin) before he was injured speaks volumes. And he did it this year playing behind a patchwork OL.

If only he had a good defense, special teams, and coaching to help him be even more successful.

...and his record speaks volumes too during that time.
 

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Paying the non-elite QB will have you watching teams with elite QB's and QB's on rookie contracts play in the Superbowl.

See, the problem is that it can take a long time to find a franchise QB. We lucked into 2. One as an UDFA and one as a 4th rounder. With where we are picking, I doubt we'll be able to get a QB, nor should we if Surtain is on the board at 10. If he's on the clock, we should be SPRINTING to Goodell with his name on the card. After that, we need DT to pair with Gallimore as there should be a nice selection of excellent DTs in round 2 for us to snap up. So, I'd go QB no earlier than the 3rd round. And we still need more help on defence after that, so I don't think it's feasible to take a QB in the draft. Plus, the salary cap will likely go up next season with the new TV deals by quite a bit. So you can structure a deal with Dak that works for both sides.
 

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OK, so you aren't going to answer that questions. Fine, I'm going to say that it must not be all that long. That OL was not even close to the best we've ever had.

For the record, Murray has never rushed for 2000 yards, in his entire career so 1845 yards is not close to 2000. That's number one. Secondly, he went to an entirely different scheme in Philly. In Dallas, he was the Bell Cow. In Philly, he was platooned with multiple other backs. That's a big part of the why, look at the number of carries. In Dallas, in 2014, he had almost 400 carries, like 392 or something. In Philly, the next season, he had less then 200 carries. Also, he had 392 carries and 57 catches. That's over 400 touches. What happens to backs who have over 400 touches in a single season? Do some research there if you don't know. There are a lot of reasons why the difference in production occured from 2014 to 2015. None of it supports the idea that the 2014 OL was the best OL we've ever had. That's just not true.

Smitty, Leary, Fredbeard, Martin and Free, while good, were not the best we've ever had.

I personally think Tuinei, Newton, Donaldson, Allen and Williams was the best OL we've ever had but there are others that would deserve consideration, IMO, before that 2014 line.
He had 400 carries because our o-line was that good a 2nd string running back could become all-pro because of it.

wish we had that o-line with Dak now in his prime
 

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You cant lose an entire offensive line and expect to be a great offense

and the offense minus Dak and the Oline performed rather well considering

and no we arent wasting Dak....its year 1 under a new regime it aint gonna be peaches for every team that had to start new
 

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I don't think this of Dak at all.

Romo? Definitely.

He masked some awful coaching, player selection and overall leadership with his play.
Men lie. Women lie. Numbers don’t though.

Dak is better at every single quarterback metric than Tony Romo ever was even with a declining o-line, no all pro receivers, and a declining Zeke.


Well not exactly every metric. He has less interceptions :lmao2:
 

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He had 400 carries because our o-line was that good a 2nd string running back could become all-pro because of it.

wish we had that o-line with Dak now in his prime

He had 400 carries because the Cowboys were going to get their moneys worth out of him before he left Dallas but so what, what does that have to do with anything? The fact is that your point about him having a big year with the Cowboys and then falling off in Philly the next year is meaningless. It doesn't speak to anything other then less productivity, fewer carries and shared workload in Philly. That's all.
 

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He had 400 carries because the Cowboys were going to get their moneys worth out of him before he left Dallas but so what, what does that have to do with anything? The fact is that your point about him having a big year with the Cowboys and then falling off in Philly the next year is meaningless. It doesn't speak to anything other then less productivity, fewer carries and shared workload in Philly. That's all.
The offensive line was the best in 2014 .

https://thelandryhat.com/2014/06/18/cowboys-offensive-line-will-make-tony-romo-untouchable/amp/

there is a reason Tony had his best season so statistically different from his others. He was a product of it

Accept it
 

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Men lie. Women lie. Numbers don’t though.

Dak is better at every single quarterback metric than Tony Romo ever was even with a declining o-line, no all pro receivers, and a declining Zeke.


Well not exactly every metric. He has less interceptions :lmao2:

I'd take Romo over Dak any day of the week. Romo was an electric player, Dak is a bus driver. However, both have the same thing in common - their careers are and were wasted in Dallas.
 

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Men lie. Women lie. Numbers don’t though.

Dak is better at every single quarterback metric than Tony Romo ever was even with a declining o-line, no all pro receivers, and a declining Zeke.


Well not exactly every metric. He has less interceptions :lmao2:

Tony Romo never had a Zeke or the OL that Dak does. Apparently the list should be amended to read, "Men lie, Women lie and so does Bobby Flame".
 
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