Rapoport: Watson officially requests trade

[Chuck 54]

And there is absolutely nothing wrong with having a QB of the class of Danny White and Romo. You can win and do very well with QBs like that. You just need to be able to give them at least something decent around them that they can work with. Dak needs at least an average defence around him as just about any QB does. Give him that and have Zeke stop fumbling, and we will have deep playoff runs. It really is that simple.

Clearly, Watson also needs guys around him. He QB'd them to a 4-win season, right?

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

lol wut

What?

Cooper > Cooks - Cooks has slightly better stats but has played 10 more games and has had Brees/Brady/Watson as QB.

Cooper:
6211 Yds - 38 TDs

Cooks:
6880 yds - 40 TDs

Gallup > Fuller - career stats are close and Gallup has played 2 less seasons

Gallup:
2457 yds - 13 TDs (3 seasons)

Fuller (probably just pulled hammy getting out of bed this morning)
3110 yds - 24 TDs (5 seasons)


Lamb >>>>>> Coutee - no explanation needed

What did they all do last year though? You know Will fuller had 800 yards in 11 games? Or Cooks having 1k yards in 15? I didn't say anything about their careers. Texans also didn't lead the league in drops 2 years straight...but go off...

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

That game is a really good case study for how throwing the ball renders an opponent's run game useless.

If Jaylon doesn't get called for that dumb facemask penalty, Dallas goes up 3 scores on the next posession causing Cleveland to get one dimensional. Dallas blows them out.

Yes, exactly! It would've been 4th and a very long way. We had the momentum on our side by a long way. Unfortunately, an idiotic penalty like that will kill momentum. In football, when momentum shifts, it is VERY hard to get it back.

 

[Future]

What did they all do last year though? You know Will fuller had 800 yards in 11 games? Or Cooks having 1k yards in 15? I didn't say anything about their careers. Texans also didn't lead the league in drops 2 years straight...but go off...

Yea it's still a dumb argument.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

Clearly, Watson also needs guys around him. He QB'd them to a 4-win season, right?

Yup, and JJ Watt reportedly aplogised to him after the Titans game for the team wasting his season. Great QB, AWFUL team (and I like seeing the Texans struggle). No defence other than maybe Watt. His WRs were rubbish. His oline was rubbish. I'm amazed he actually made it out of the season in one piece.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Fuller can't finish a season without missing anywhere from 5-8 games. Yeah for those 8-11 games he plays, he's good but what good is that if you can't actually play most of the season?

I agree. I didn't say I'd take their receivers over ours...I'm just saying they are just as good they aren't scrubs like people are trying to make them out to be.

Will Fuller scores at a higher rate per reception than most WRs. His problem always has been injuries.

Exactly. There's a huge misconception that Watson doesn't have weapons...mind you just two years ago he had Deandre Hopkins....Fuller is rarely available so yeah in that regards I wouldn't' want him but if we are talking about talent? They have some.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Yea it's still a dumb argument.

Alright. Keep overvaluing the talent on this team if you want to. Dallas good. Everyone else bad. Alright lol.

 

[Chuck 54]

The Jets shouldn't trade for Watson either.....so what if he's a better QB than what they have. All those draft picks? They need to build a team that a QB can win with. If they give up all their draft capital to get Watson, they will have a better QB, but they really won't be much better. Watson needs to go to a team that can support him. Those teams don't usually already have a lot to trade.

Jacksonville will finally have Trevor Lawrence. Does anyone expect to see them in the playoffs with that garbage team?

 

[65fastback2plus2]

So Brandon Cook sand Will Fuller are perennial 600-800 yard receivers but Gallup, Lamb and Cooper are perennial are 3 1k yard receivers? Genius lol. Go take a nap.

let me know how many yards amari had with a backup last year and how many brandon had with a top 5 qb...I'll wait.

 

[Future]

Alright. Keep overvaluing the talent on this team if you want to. Dallas good. Everyone else bad. Alright lol.

If you think that Fuller, Cook, Coutee is a better trio than Cooper, Gallup, Lamb, then you aren't qualified to value talent.

It's not even close.

 

[CouchCoach]

He was a little cry baby. First he got upset when he wasn't included in the hiring process of their new GM. What player gets that? Then he wasn't immediately consulted in the head coach hiring and he cried some more What QB gets that kind of input? If the situation would have ever come up probably only Brady would get that and Watson is no Brady. How many GM's are going to want a QB that thinks his authority reaches higher than his position as a player. This was like some store employee not a manager given input ion who the next district manager will be. That would be for input on the GM and then the same person gets input on the next store manager is like Watson and the new coach. He was a cry baby over something he had no business in in the first place.

Think a 6M HC is going to tussle with a 36M QB?

This goes all the ay back to Magic Johnson getting his HC replaced. DEN did it twice, Elway did it to Reeves and Manning did it to John Fox. Manning went so far as to completely ignore Fox as he was coming off the field, then Fox was gone. I have never seen a player do that but I did see McC and Rodgers have heated words on the sideline. Then McC is gone.

Most recently we have McCarthy/Rodgers and then O'Brien and Watson. Watson was instrumental in getting his HC fired in season, why wouldn't he think he would have a say in his replacement? According to reports, he was told he would have input.

Talent is the dog now in most things because that's where the money is. Even owners can be the tail.

Ask Jimmy Johnson about player clout after he got to Miami. Think he wasn't planning on trading the sacred cow? Even Don Shula had to keep Marino happy.

When Howard Stern was still in terrestrial radio, his Ops Mgr and GM got crossways with him over the FCC fines. They were gone the next day.

 

[gjkoeppen]

Oh, I agree. And I'm enjoying the collapse of the Texans. They are a team that I very much dislike and enjoy seeing them like this. As for Watson, I also agree that he should not have that much say. However, he apparently was told he'd be allowed to have input and all. It seems, from what I understand about the situation, that they did not keep their promise to him. Additionally, the comment about taking care of the franchise QB didn't have so much to do with that situation as the fact that we have not done well at taking care of Dak. If anything, Dak has a larger reason to be upset than Deshaun Watson. If we keep Dak, we better take care of him. If we find a new starting QB, we need to do what we can to take care of him too. Franchise QBs are hard to come by. We have one by luck who proceeded another one by luck.

I don't think Prescott is any where near as upset as some here think he is. He placed to much confidence if France's negotiating which really wasn't negotiating but kept repeating the same demands. This is evident by how in the last hour or so on July 15th Prescott was doing his own negotiating and they agreed on a 35 mil a year but couldn't get the length and guaranteed amount done in time. Prescott is smart enough to know that there is a business side to the NFL. Also Prescott grew up a Cowboys fan and his dream job was to play for the Cowboys.
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[Chuck 54]

Yup, and JJ Watt reportedly aplogised to him after the Titans game for the team wasting his season. Great QB, AWFUL team (and I like seeing the Texans struggle). No defence other than maybe Watt. His WRs were rubbish. His oline was rubbish. I'm amazed he actually made it out of the season in one piece.

That's my point. The only teams with a lot of draft capital to trade are the Jets and Miami. Why would Miami do it? The Jets need to rebuild their team. The Jets will still suck for years if they trade away all their picks for a QB.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

I don't think Prescott is any where near as upset as some here think he is. He placed to much confidence if France's negotiating which really wasn't negotiating but kept repeating the same demands. This is evident by how in the last hour or so on July 15th Prescott was doing his own negotiating and they agreed on a 35 mil a year but couldn't get the length and guaranteed amount done in time. Prescott is smart enough to know that there is a business side to the NFL. Also Prescott grew up a Cowboys fan and his dream job was to play for the Cowboys.
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True, and I certainly hope that he stays with us. I would like nothing more than for us to keep him as it relates to Dak. I hope that we can get a deal finished this time around and keep Dak. I also hope that Jerry will take care of Dak and give him what he needs such as at least an average defence. We can't win when our defence hemorrhages yards and points like they did.

 

[phildadon86]

That game is a really good case study for how throwing the ball renders an opponent's run game useless.

If Jaylon doesn't get called for that dumb facemask penalty, Dallas goes up 3 scores on the next posession causing Cleveland to get one dimensional. Dallas blows them out.

Lets also not forget Jaylon forgetting to fall down on the blocked FG when we were within 3 points. "Garbage time though right"? lol

 

[CouchCoach]

I don't think Prescott is any where near as upset as some here think he is. He placed to much confidence if France's negotiating which really wasn't negotiating but kept repeating the same demands. This is evident by how in the last hour or so on July 15th Prescott was doing his own negotiating and they agreed on a 35 mil a year but couldn't get the length and guaranteed amount done in time. Prescott is smart enough to know that there is a business side to the NFL. Also Prescott grew up a Cowboys fan and his dream job was to play for the Cowboys.
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I wouldn't put too much in that dream job since he's been here, done that and has the jersey. I think DAL would win in any tie but he would go for the $ if it came to that and was a substantial difference.

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

That's my point. The only teams with a lot of draft capital to trade are the Jets and Miami. Why would Miami do it? The Jets need to rebuild their team. The Jets will still suck for years if they trade away all their picks for a QB.

I agree with you. I agree that the Jets and Dolphins need to build. The Dolphins have a QB in Tua. One that many Daktractors begged for the team to tank for. Is he all of a sudden a bust now? Do people forget that they drafted him? There's no reason for the Dolphins to trade for him. They NEED an oline and some WR help. WR primarily which I think they'll address. The Jets are a mess. However, I will say that their defence is actually decent when they're not cover 0 blitzing at the end of the game. They need WR in a massive way. I think the Texans are going to find themselves in a lot of trouble with Watson. I don't think they'll get nearly what they're hoping to get for him. Especially with how badly the relationship has deteriorated there. Just as the Lions apparently aren't getting much action in trying to trade Stafford, I don't think the Texans are going to see as much action as people think. Partly because why trade for him when the Texans obviously will need to let him go at this point in some way. So, sit back, wait for him to be released, and then swarm in.

 

[gjkoeppen]

Think a 6M HC is going to tussle with a 36M QB?

This goes all the ay back to Magic Johnson getting his HC replaced. DEN did it twice, Elway did it to Reeves and Manning did it to John Fox. Manning went so far as to completely ignore Fox as he was coming off the field, then Fox was gone. I have never seen a player do that but I did see McC and Rodgers have heated words on the sideline. Then McC is gone.

Most recently we have McCarthy/Rodgers and then O'Brien and Watson. Watson was instrumental in getting his HC fired in season, why wouldn't he think he would have a say in his replacement? According to reports, he was told he would have input.

Talent is the dog now in most things because that's where the money is. Even owners can be the tail.

Ask Jimmy Johnson about player clout after he got to Miami. Think he wasn't planning on trading the sacred cow? Even Don Shula had to keep Marino happy.

When Howard Stern was still in terrestrial radio, his Ops Mgr and GM got crossways with him over the FCC fines. They were gone the next day.

McNair may have originally told Watson that but after thinking about it she probably was telling herself why would I let a player have input on who his boss would be so she was dragging her feet on that. I have no doubts that there have been some players that were instrumental in getting a coach fired but I also doubt that they had input on the new coach. You brought up Rodgers and when LaFleur was hired there was all kinds of reports that Rodgers was real happy with that hire. Things appear much better now, I seriously doubt Rodgers had any say in his hiring.
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[Swagger]

Will Fuller and Brandon Cooks are just as good as anything in Dallas...Coutee is also a good receiver.

Fuller struggles to get on the field

What did they all do last year though? You know Will fuller had 800 yards in 11 games? Or Cooks having 1k yards in 15? I didn't say anything about their careers. Texans also didn't lead the league in drops 2 years straight...but go off...

With the exception of last season after Smith and Martin went down the Cowboys have had a superior Offensive line and running game.

 

[gjkoeppen]

I wouldn't put too much in that dream job since he's been here, done that and has the jersey. I think DAL would win in any tie but he would go for the $ if it came to that and was a substantial difference.

I said they agreed on a dollar amount before this last season, I didn't say that is what it will end up being. My point was that I don't think Prescott is any where as upset as some here thinks he is.
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