Goodell a great Commish for the times

[Typhus]

And that is one of your best posts ever and I gave you a Like.

Take your like back, you still have time

 

[Diehardblues]

When first came on this thread there were like 11 comments on the first page, 8 on the 2nd page, 10 on the 3rd page and I'm not going to go through all 14 pages where they disagreed with you. There's a heck of a lot more than just a few. I made my point.
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Actually it’s multiple responses by a few. But I certainly wouldn’t conclude it represents the majority of fan members on this site. Instead it represents those who have more emotional attachments with his suspension on Elliott.

And even had some who believed it was Goodell who was making rule changes. Unbelievable but not surprising many fans don’t even realize the Commish responsibilities. It’s more of a drive by bashing for some. Typical from the Lynch Mob type and a couple with personal issues with me. But not what I’d use to measure everyone’s take .

There’s been some very supportive post from those who obviously have a better understanding. And whose thoughts I’d definitely gravitate to who represent a sounder view. The kind of view I’ve been reading from critically acclaimed writers across the country in how well this years season was managed .

 

[CouchCoach]

I would like Goodell's salary and probably his office, if there's a cool bar in it, but working for 32 rich people used to having their way? No thanks. The only thing these 32 people are united on is greed. You've got several silver spoon legacy's in there as well and most of them never held a real job. Some of these are self-made people, like Booger, and they can be the most difficult because they are used to having it their way because that's the only way they know.

That's one of the reasons I am not really down on him for running his own team, what else has he ever known? I might not like the way he runs it but his right to run it? Yep, all the way down on that one.

 

[CouchCoach]

Take your like back, you still have time

Uh-oh, cash register rings again.

 

[aria]

I don’t want to know about athletes private lives but when they become public if there’s something I don’t like about them then that’s that. I’m not going to pretend I didn’t hear it or see it. I’m not going to ignore it, I can’t ignore it. I’m not going to turn a blind eye because they play for my favorite team. I’m not going to pretend it’s not a big deal if it is. I’m not holding them to a higher standard than any of my friends or family.

Having said that, while in public I do believe they are and should be held to a higher standard just like any high profile person or people with certain jobs. The league holds them to different standards just like my job, and several other jobs, may hold people to different standards. When a player acts a fool in public they are not only jeopardizing their careers but the their teammates and the team they play for which is where I start having a problem with that player.

I don’t think half the things they do are that big of a deal but I know the commissioner does so it’s really simple, mind your manners, especially in public. It’s not that hard, millions of people make a lot more sacrifices for their jobs yet some of these clowns can’t follow the loosest of rules for a few years to make millions of dollars playing a game. I have little to no tolerance or sympathy for the majority of them.

 

[gjkoeppen]

Agree, it is just assumed that pro football players are going to be a little "gamey" and wired differently.

Sports are an outlet, an escapism from the real world. I was never in favor of the drug testing for recreational stuff, PED's? Yep, because that's cheating. I am from that Jimmy Johnson camp, just don't let me know so I have to do something about it. Show up to work.

We hold people to a higher standard based on how much money they make. A 35M QB should be a better boy scout than a 5M one. It is a privilege to play in the NFL, not a right. You are all role models, you must be responsible ones.

They're just people that have different jobs that we do and we like watching them do them. I watch the kid at the supermarket bag my groceries but only when I am there and they are mine. I wouldn't pay to go into the store and watch him bag.

I look at athletes as I do actors and musicians, I do not care about their private lives, only what they provide to me in the way of entertainment. And I only care about that at the time they are providing that. If I find out they're a standup person, bonus but that is not necessary.

Maybe that's wrong but I am honest about it, I just don't care.

First you say one thing and then contradict what you just said. You said you were against testing for weed but then you say that NFL players are role models.which they are. I think it was a huge mistake to no longer test for weed. The continual use of weed does affect among other things memory. So you want to allow players to smoke weed and then at some point down the road they start to forget what their assignment for a play is or confuse assignments on one play with that of another play. Medical research and studies have proven memory loss.

I do agree with another thing you said. Sports is an outlet, an escape from the BS going on in the world and that is why I've said since it started that the NFL should stop being a social and political venue and just stick to being the sport of football. The league should have told all the players that they can be active in and support any social issue they want to but not on team or league property and not while wearing an NFL uniform. The league should have not gotten into the social/political arena either.
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[Diehardblues]

Agree, it is just assumed that pro football players are going to be a little "gamey" and wired differently.

Sports are an outlet, an escapism from the real world. I was never in favor of the drug testing for recreational stuff, PED's? Yep, because that's cheating. I am from that Jimmy Johnson camp, just don't let me know so I have to do something about it. Show up to work.

We hold people to a higher standard based on how much money they make. A 35M QB should be a better boy scout than a 5M one. It is a privilege to play in the NFL, not a right. You are all role models, you must be responsible ones.

They're just people that have different jobs that we do and we like watching them do them. I watch the kid at the supermarket bag my groceries but only when I am there and they are mine. I wouldn't pay to go into the store and watch him bag.

I look at athletes as I do actors and musicians, I do not care about their private lives, only what they provide to me in the way of entertainment. And I only care about that at the time they are providing that. If I find out they're a standup person, bonus but that is not necessary.

Maybe that's wrong but I am honest about it, I just don't care.

And I think that’s a common sentiment by many fans. But if you’re Network TV and a Sponsor it’s a different perspective.

We’ve seen television shows cancelled just because of what a celebrity says or the stance they take. If you’re in the public spotlight there is a responsibility to the hand that feeds you.

The public can be forgiving but it takes time. And it depends on the nature of the incident. Some aren’t forgiven. We’ve never seen or heard from Rice again for example. His career was over by one video.

 

[Typhus]

I don’t want to know about athletes private lives but when they become public if there’s something I don’t like about them then that’s that. I’m not going to pretend I didn’t hear it or see it. I’m not going to ignore it, I can’t ignore it. I’m not going to turn a blind eye because they play for my favorite team. I’m not going to pretend it’s not a big deal if it is. I’m not holding them to a higher standard than any of my friends or family.

Having said that, while in public I do believe they are and should be held to a higher standard just like any high profile person or people with certain jobs. The league holds them to different standards just like my job, and several other jobs, may hold people to different standards. When a player acts a fool in public they are not only jeopardizing their careers but the their teammates and the team they play for which is where I start having a problem with that player.

I don’t think half the things they do are that big of a deal but I know the commissioner does so it’s really simple, mind your manners, especially in public. It’s not that hard, millions of people make a lot more sacrifices for their jobs yet some of these clowns can’t follow the loosest of rules for a few years to make millions of dollars playing a game. I have little to no tolerance or sympathy for the majority of them.

Ok, but you miss the point,, RG had the power to take DBs out of the game.
RG had the power to change fundamental football rules that changed this game forever.
That was on RG,,, sure owners telling him to do so,, but a real man stands up and lays down his own rules...
Roger Goodell is a bought and payed for fool. He is not a man, he is a puppet that all the owners love,, just ask the pusher of this thread.

 

[gjkoeppen]

Actually it’s multiple responses by a few. But I certainly wouldn’t conclude it represents the majority of fan members on this site. Instead it represents those who have more emotional attachments with his suspension on Elliott.

And even had some who believed it was Goodell who was making rule changes. Unbelievable but not surprising many fans don’t even realize the Commish responsibilities. It’s more of a drive by bashing for some. Typical from the Lynch Mob type and a couple with personal issues with me. But not what I’d use to measure everyone’s take .

There’s been some very supportive post from those who obviously have a better understanding. And whose thoughts I’d definitely gravitate to who represent a sounder view. The kind of view I’ve been reading from critically acclaimed writers across the country in how well this years season was managed .

EVERYONE knows the hierarchy of the NFL, owners, commissioner, players and coaches. My total dislike for goodell started long long long before Elliott ever came into the league. Personally Elliott has acted very immature and goodell was right to suspend him. He has used the protecting the honor of the shield to hand out suspensions, it's just that he's never been consistent on the length of suspensions for damaging the shield. Goodell has also been easier on owners and players he likes than on other owners and players. I've pointed out what he did to Wade Wilson and how it cost him 2/3 of his salary for a year for something that had no direct affect on the game and then just a few weeks later Robert Kraft got fined 500K which is pocket change for a billionaire when the patriots got caught filming a jet practice. You can think that you have all this support for goodell, but the number of comments that oppose goodell just don't support that. You're going to keep this charade going but don't bother to reply to me anymore because I'll just ignore it.
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[CouchCoach]

First you say one thing and then contradict what you just said. You said you were against testing for weed but then you say that NFL players are role models.which they are. I think it was a huge mistake to no longer test for weed. The continual use of weed does affect among other things memory. So you want to allow players to smoke weed and then at some point down the road they start to forget what their assignment for a play is or confuse assignments on one play with that of another play. Medical research and studies have proven memory loss.

I do agree with another thing you said. Sports is an outlet, an escape from the BS going on in the world and that is why I've said since it started that the NFL should stop being a social and political venue and just stick to being the sport of football. The league should have told all the players that they can be active in and support any social issue they want to but not on team or league property and not while wearing an NFL uniform. The league should have not gotten into the social/political arena either.
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You missed the sarcasm, they are not role models, they're just pro football players. Role models, good and bad, are all around us. It is all in what we want that model to be.

In this area, I am just like Oregon and their latest law, no drug is illegal and rehab v jail. If someone is not infringing on the rights or safety of others, have at it. Want to get buzzed? Fine but don't endanger another while doing it.

We need laws to protect people from others; we do not need them to protect us from ourselves. We are all caretakers of our own choices.

When I get to the point of caring about some player smoking too much wacky tobacky to remember his plays, I will have arrived at the point of no return and can just hope they don't cut the lime Jell-O into little squares.

 

[Diehardblues]

Ok, but you miss the point,, RG had the power to take DBs out of the game.
RG had the power to change fundamental football rules that changed this game forever.
That was on RG,,, sure owners telling him to do so,, but a real man stands up and lays down his own rules...
Roger Goodell is a bought and payed for fool. He is not a man, he is a puppet that all the owners love,, just ask the pusher of this thread.

He’s like any other lawyer representing his client. He acts on their benefit not his.

 

[Creeper]

Goodell deserves much credit for not only steering the league thru this seasons pandemic but really the most difficult era Id argue in NFL history as it continue to transcend with the times including all of the issues it’s confronted with in society.

I know he’s received criticism for his disciplinary actions of players but that’s a critical part of the success he’s been able to achieve overcoming theses social unrest the league and its players have encountered which has divided some of our fans as they have walked away as a result.

But he’s stayed the course protecting the Iconic label and its owners interest. And every decision in the long run appears the right decision for the league.

But the way he handled this pandemic with strict guidelines fining HC’s for not wearing mask initially and the protocols to avoid not cancelling any games which no other league can claim is truly remarkable.

He’s going to be an early lock for HOF. And history is going to reflect generously on him perhaps before he’s done surpassing Rozelle as greatest Commish ever.

Yea, I said it here first.

Goodell steered the league through a difficult era that he created for the NFL. I would argue Goodell was the worst commish for a number of reasons not the least of which is he favored certain teams over others. Anyone who doubts that let me remind you the Cowboys and Commanders were penalized by Goodell for cap violations in an uncapped year because the owner of another team in the division asked him to. In the future, I think we will look back at the Goodell years as the beginning of the end of the golden era of the NFL. He is diluting the product, turning away his hardcore fans with rules changes and non-football related matters, and trying to push the NFL on other countries at the expense of US fans.

All of this while getting paid an obscene amount of money by the owners.

 

[Diehardblues]

EVERYONE knows the hierarchy of the NFL, owners, commissioner, players and coaches. My total dislike for goodell started long long long before Elliott ever came into the league. Personally Elliott has acted very immature and goodell was right to suspend him. He has used the protecting the honor of the shield to hand out suspensions, it's just that he's never been consistent on the length of suspensions for damaging the shield. Goodell has also been easier on owners and players he likes than on other owners and players. I've pointed out what he did to Wade Wilson and how it cost him 2/3 of his salary for a year for something that had no direct affect on the game and then just a few weeks later Robert Kraft got fined 500K which is pocket change for a billionaire when the patriots got caught filming a jet practice. You can think that you have all this support for goodell, but the number of comments that oppose goodell just don't support that. You're going to keep this charade going but don't bother to reply to me anymore because I'll just ignore it.
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And you base your final thoughts and opinions on the post by anonymous fans in a Cowboys forum? Ok thanks for your comments .

 

[Diehardblues]

Goodell steered the league through a difficult era that he created for the NFL. I would argue Goodell was the worst commish for a number of reasons not the least of which is he favored certain teams over others. Anyone who doubts that let me remind you the Cowboys and Commanders were penalized by Goodell for cap violations in an uncapped year because the owner of another team in the division asked him to. In the future, I think we will look back at the Goodell years as the beginning of the end of the golden era of the NFL. He is diluting the product, turning away his hardcore fans with rules changes and non-football related matters, and trying to push the NFL on other countries at the expense of US fans.

All of this while getting paid an obscene amount of money by the owners.

That’s not how history is writing his tenure despite how you view it. But thanks for your comments.

 

[Haimerej]

That’s not how history is writing his tenure despite how you view it. But thanks for your comments.

History is yet to be written. He could very well be the captain who sinks the ship.

 

[Diehardblues]

History is yet to be written. He could very well be the captain who sinks the ship.

So far he’s one who’s saved it from while increasing the golden egg .

 

[Haimerej]

And I think that’s a common sentiment by many fans. But if you’re Network TV and a Sponsor it’s a different perspective.

We’ve seen television shows cancelled just because of what a celebrity says or the stance they take. If you’re in the public spotlight there is a responsibility to the hand that feeds you.

The public can be forgiving but it takes time. And it depends on the nature of the incident. Some aren’t forgiven. We’ve never seen or heard from Rice again for example. His career was over by one video.

We've also seen backlash against the companies who made those decisions. People are getting tired of cancel culture, especially when it's so one sided.

 

[Creeper]

That’s not how history is writing his tenure despite how you view it. But thanks for your comments.

Of course his publicists in the now will attempt to polish him up in the hopes it stick into the future, but history will be written after Goodell's years are done, and after the consequences of his actions are determined - good or bad. I am expressing my opinion as an NFL fan since the 1960s. I preferred Pete Rozelle but a wide margin. I wish Goodell would go find another job.

 

[Haimerej]

So far he’s one who’s saved it from while increasing the golden egg .

Saved it from what?

 

[gjkoeppen]

You missed the sarcasm, they are not role models, they're just pro football players. Role models, good and bad, are all around us. It is all in what we want that model to be.

In this area, I am just like Oregon and their latest law, no drug is illegal and rehab v jail. If someone is not infringing on the rights or safety of others, have at it. Want to get buzzed? Fine but don't endanger another while doing it.

We need laws to protect people from others; we do not need them to protect us from ourselves. We are all caretakers of our own choices.

When I get to the point of caring about some player smoking too much wacky tobacky to remember his plays, I will have arrived at the point of no return and can just hope they don't cut the lime Jell-O into little squares.

There are all kinds of laws that protect people from making decisions for themselves because they either don't understand the harm that could happen to them or they just don't care. The first one that comes to mind is one that I don't agree with but it's the law in all 50 states. Having to wear seat belts when on public roads. I'm against it because a friend when I was like 16 who he and his younger brother were in an accident and he was wearing his seat belt and he brother wasn't. The car rolled over 3 times and the brother was thrown out of the car through his open window and only had a broken arm. The driver was in the car and the car started on fire and the driver couldn't get the seat belt lose his younger brother came over and was trying help him through the window.. A motorists stopped and when the fire started to get into the passenger part of the car the motorist pulled the younger brother away and they watched and listened as the drive burned to death. That seat belt actually caused a death.
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