P.Surtain II, C.Farley & Jaycee Horn

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Yeah, Morris is Cover 2 for sure, but I read Quinn started to shift more of his coverage to 2 high looks before Morris ever took over, at least that's what I read.

If true, I wondering how much does that change the type of DB they look at.

Quinn's background is more the Cover 3, he may of changed to more of a cover 2, based on his talent that he had in house. The single high safety is extremely important for a Cover 3 Defense, but there just aren't many who can effectively play that role. It certainly will depend on how they bring in via fa and the draft. What we can expect is more of a zone coverage scheme, not a man press one.

Broaddus said a few weeks ago via his sources, that our new DB Coach covets elite speed and length for the position, not your typical zone corner type.
 

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Lol bruh go to wikipedia and press professional career. You're welcome

And im not saying the 2 corners are the same. Im just saying its dumb to rely on arm length to assess a player. Especially when his most recent success/pro bowl corner didnt meet his arm length criteria. Surtain probably wont be a bust.

And right on Wikipedia they list him as 6'1 lol...

And if the Cowboys go Surtain...he checks a lot of boxes. He wouldn't be a pick based on his arm length and height. He's legitimately one of the best corner prospects in the draft.
 

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And right on Wikipedia they list him as 6'1 lol...

And if the Cowboys go Surtain...he checks a lot of boxes. He wouldn't be a pick based on his arm length and height. He's legitimately one of the best corner prospects in the draft.
You acting dumb fam. I literally told you what to do lol. The facts are there, if you dont want it cool but stop acting stubborn.

Surtain wouldnt be that but I think alot of the second round picks would be that.
 

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You acting dumb fam. I literally told you what to do lol. The facts are there, if you dont want it cool but stop acting stubborn.

Surtain wouldnt be that but I think alot of the second round picks would be that.
There's nothing to act dumb about. You seem to value one part of Wiki but not the other that says he's 6'1 190.
 

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There's nothing to act dumb about. You seem to value one part of Wiki but not the other that says he's 6'1 190.
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The part Im talking about is referenced by nfl.com :facepalm:
Just stop man. Damn dudes actin hella childish today lol
 

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Quinn's background is more the Cover 3, he may of changed to more of a cover 2, based on his talent that he had in house. The single high safety is extremely important for a Cover 3 Defense, but there just aren't many who can effectively play that role. It certainly will depend on how they bring in via fa and the draft. What we can expect is more of a zone coverage scheme, not a man press one.

Broaddus said a few weeks ago via his sources, that our new DB Coach covets elite speed and length for the position, not your typical zone corner type.
@rocyaice Read what is in bold up above, bro. ^^^ (expand comment above to see what section is in bold)

Should tell you all you need to know. Them slower CBs will not be coveted in the draft by the Cowboys. You're arguing against what the Cowboys are looking for.
 

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@rocyaice Read what is in bold up above, bro. ^^^ (expand comment above to see what section is in bold)

Should tell you all you need to know. Them slower CBs will not be coveted in the draft by the Cowboys. You're arguing against what the Cowboys are looking for.
If thats true its still dumb. If a slower guy is a better player then draft him. But this is the team that promoted a grandson to scouting assistant. Why am i surprised they are clueless.
 

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@rocyaice Read what is in bold up above, bro. ^^^ (expand comment above to see what section is in bold)

Should tell you all you need to know. Them slower CBs will not be coveted in the draft by the Cowboys. You're arguing against what the Cowboys are looking for.

Then we aren't going corner then because I don' see much "elite speed" in the draft.
 

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If thats true its still dumb. If a slower guy is a better player then draft him. But this is the team that promoted a grandson to scouting assistant. Why am i surprised they are clueless.

Very common for a team to do that lol. We are talking about scouting assistant not a actual scout. Nepotism got a lot of good coaches jobs in this league.
 

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The part Im talking about is referenced by nfl.com :facepalm:
Just stop man. Damn dudes actin hella childish today lol

I'm confused to why you are in your feelings about this lol

I just disagree with you man its not acting "Childish". You're going far too hard for a simple disagreement. You chose to go with NFL.com I chose to go with the other sites that say he's 6 foot to 6'1. Either way....Trufant is not known as a small corner.

Trufant was one of the two or three most impressive physical specimens at cornerback that competed at the 2013 NFL Scouting Combine. He has good size at 6'0", 190 lbs, and his blistering 4.38 40 and 3.85 short shuttle times were among the best at his position.
 

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Farley. He has elite length, athleticism and + production.

Surtain and Horn’s long speed worries me.

They have speed problems? Horn is a very aggressive man player...fighter, Quinn probably wants a zone corner?
 

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Farley has a higher upside than Surtain, but he’s certainly not as polished and his medicals could raise red flags as well.

He seems more boom or bust...I heard a few compare him to Mo Claiborne?
 

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I don't know what kind of defense we're going to run this year, but if you need a Cover 3 corner, Patrick Surtain Jr looks like the prototype. We all know how polished his technique is, so what surprised me the most with his tape is just how willing he is to get physical. He brawls with receivers on presses and comes down hard to make tackles. Just the spitting-image perfect CB for that system.

Farley is explosive enough to hang with Chase Claypool, and that 2019 game alone probably solidified a top 10 pick for him. I see a lot of bust risk with him though. 1 year of real experience. Injuries. Doesn't get his head around, and gives up completions right in his facemask Chido style. You take him top 10 anyway because he has game-changing talent at a critical position and could directly bump up your W column if he hits, but it's taking a risk.

Jaycee Horn is an absolute gamer. Surtain gets all the hype about having an NFL dad, but I didn't know that Jaycee's dad was Joe Horn until a guy on another draft site I use mentioned it. He brings that same flashy diva-type of behavior to CB, which is fun to watch and makes for a hell of a highlight reel. But he's willing to gamble on plays and likes to grab when he loses a step, and that opens the door for him to get beat a LOT in the pros. He'll still go first round because he's 6'1" and athletic with monster ball skills, but he is a tier below Farley and Surtain IMO.

Farley will lose some reps, but when he does, he's right there on the play. Again, kind of Chido style. Chido's probably the worst-case scenario for him. And Surtain literally just played 900+ snaps this year without being flagged once, which is just polar opposite of Horn. He is just freaking clinical. All 3 players have high ceilings, but Horn comes with potential burn-victim risk that neither of the other two have.

But hey. Sometimes he shoves Kyle Pitts to the ground. and that's cool too.

 

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I'm confused to why you are in your feelings about this lol

I just disagree with you man its not acting "Childish". You're going far too hard for a simple disagreement. You chose to go with NFL.com I chose to go with the other sites that say he's 6 foot to 6'1. Either way....Trufant is not known as a small corner.

Trufant was one of the two or three most impressive physical specimens at cornerback that competed at the 2013 NFL Scouting Combine. He has good size at 6'0", 190 lbs, and his blistering 4.38 40 and 3.85 short shuttle times were among the best at his position.
Lol argue with documented facts all you want fam. It is what it is
 
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