I wished we had signed Jameis Winston

[dckid]

right and the saints are so confident in him for one its 5.5 12 is with all escalators, they signed THILL some oddball all voidable deal and now have 2 qbs..when you have two you have none..old adage it means they aren't sure about either..now stop drooling over other teams.. Winston played what 30 snaps in 292303 wow HOF bro..straight baller..his old teams now winning SBS with a stoic stand up in the pocket 43year old qb..lmao..

Jameis is sold very low end qb..dude failed he was picked high and well laid an egg compered to expectation..well at least 5.5 mil will keep him from front loading his pants with meat..

You make a lot of good points. You are also forgetting that players can improve with great coaching which I think Jameis had last year. We know he has a great arm, he did have a unique ability to throw int's two years ago. Players get better and improve over the years. He did also got lasik surgery for what that is worth.
Having said all that, I think there is a precedence of overpaying good players and we see how that played out for several teams and I just dont see any different result for us.
Cousins, Wentz, Jimmy G, Goff, Bradford, Flacco,etc... They are all in Dak's level and none of them were worth the contract they got paid. Their current team has moved off from them, traded , cut, released.
If you look at the big picture we drafted a guy in the 4th round and got an above average value if not great value for the first 4 years at basically less than 1 million, even if you thrown in the franchise tag last year and the lost season, still a measly $5 million dollar per year average.
The smart team takes that asset and trades it or lets it walk. Go and find another 4th round pick or replacement level guy.
Dak is not elite, and I am not bad mouthing him by saying that. The league started overpaying QB's in 2012 and now that trend has subsided. As usual the Cowboys front office does not have their pulse on reality and will just follow the trend from 5 years ago. We need to Zig when the league is Zagging.
Also it's not like we are the Rams where we have no draft picks and very expensive superstars that HAVE to win now. They have no choice. They are doubling down on paying their guys and winning now. You know if they win a SB it was worth trading all their assets for that win.
We have not won squat in 26 years. Jerry does not believe in going all in anymore, he has too much to lose. He won't tank like he should have this year. Perfect, perfect opportunity.
This would have reset the organization. He doesn't want to go all out, and trade for Wilson which I also would have been ok with. The downside with trading for Russel would have been expensive but the team is not geared to win right now from the trenches perspective.

 

[blueblood70]

You make a lot of good points. You are also forgetting that players can improve with great coaching which I think Jameis had last year. We know he has a great arm, he did have a unique ability to throw int's two years ago. Players get better and improve over the years. He did also got lasik surgery for what that is worth.
Having said all that, I think there is a precedence of overpaying good players and we see how that played out for several teams and I just dont see any different result for us.
Cousins, Wentz, Jimmy G, Goff, Bradford, Flacco,etc... They are all in Dak's level and none of them were worth the contract they got paid. Their current team has moved off from them, traded , cut, released.
If you look at the big picture we drafted a guy in the 4th round and got an above average value if not great value for the first 4 years at basically less than 1 million, even if you thrown in the franchise tag last year and the lost season, still a measly $5 million dollar per year average.
The smart team takes that asset and trades it or lets it walk. Go and find another 4th round pick or replacement level guy.
Dak is not elite, and I am not bad mouthing him by saying that. The league started overpaying QB's in 2012 and now that trend has subsided. As usual the Cowboys front office does not have their pulse on reality and will just follow the trend from 5 years ago. We need to Zig when the league is Zagging.
Also it's not like we are the Rams where we have no draft picks and very expensive superstars that HAVE to win now. They have no choice. They are doubling down on paying their guys and winning now. You know if they win a SB it was worth trading all their assets for that win.
We have not won squat in 26 years. Jerry does not believe in going all in anymore, he has too much to lose. He won't tank like he should have this year. Perfect, perfect opportunity.
This would have reset the organization. He doesn't want to go all out, and trade for Wilson which I also would have been ok with. The downside with trading for Russel would have been expensive but the team is not geared to win right now from the trenches perspective.

YAWN right he had no coaching with QB whisperer in TB..come on give up the excuses..we have our guy get over it..

 

[RonnieT24]

Naw. Jarapist has the league record for ints in a single season

Umm.. the league record for interceptions is 42 held by George Blanda in 1962. Second in Vinny Testaverde with 35 in 1988.. Jameis' 30 is only good for a tie for 7th all time. Just ahead of Bret Favre's 29 in 2005, which is just ahead of Peyton Manning's 28 in 1998. Even though that's still way too many INTs for my tastes, there are quite a few QBs who are ahead of him on the all time stinker list including 7 hall of famers..

 

[Winonesoon]

So did Ryan Leaf. And Carson Wentz.

 

[conner01]

I know all you Dak guys will lose your mind. But as I have been screaming all year I wish we had signed Jameis. Saints resigned him for 1 year @12 million. I have a hunch if he starts he will produce at Dak’s level.
I am not anti Dak, and it doesn’t even matter anymore as he is signed and just watch how the team has instant regret. He is not elite and that is what burns me.
I can’t believe I am the only one who feels this way. I honestly can’t see a path to going deep in the playoffs as this fan base hasn’t seen a championship game since January 1996. The days before the Netscape IPO, the AOL day, IRC chat. We have some 30 year olds who has never even seen any real Cowboys success. Just ponder that for a few moments.

I like my QB to throw touchdowns not interceptions

 

[conner01]

Umm.. the league record for interceptions is 42 held by George Blanda in 1962. Second in Vinny Testaverde with 35 in 1988.. Jameis' 30 is only good for a tie for 7th all time. Just ahead of Bret Favre's 29 in 2005, which is just ahead of Peyton Manning's 28 in 1998. Even though that's still way too many INTs for my tastes, there are quite a few QBs who are ahead of him on the all time stinker list including 7 hall of famers..

So not only is he bad
He’s bad at being bad lol

 

[RonnieT24]

The thing about Winston is that he is maybe the most accurate passer I've ever seen. Dude can absolutely circumcise a mosquito with the ball .. ;-) I can still remember the start of his freshman year at FSU when it took like until the 4th game for him to have more incompletions than TD passes FOR THE SEASON. I've never seen a passer put the ball on the money with greater ease and regularity than him. The problem is that he doesn't seem to be able to make a sound decision when to take chances with the ball and when not to. Just because you CAN fit the ball into a 6 inch windows doesn't mean you SHOULD. If he ever does make the turn and learns to take care of the ball he will instantly become a top 5 QB. But he's in year 6? now? Time may be running out on him.. But there has been several examples of QBs who didn't "figure it out" until after age 30.. Rich Gannon was perhaps the most prominent example .. I think Chris Chandler was another... I'm sure there have been others.. It can happen.. but I don't want to be the team that endures a bunch of gut wrenching losses because of Jameis' INTs while he figures it out. I already saw that movie with young Romo.. and didn't like it one bit.

 

[phildadon86]

He's got a better arm than Dak does.

Especially throwing to the other team.

 

[InTheZone]

Lol no

 

[dckid]

YAWN right he had no coaching with QB whisperer in TB..come on give up the excuses..we have our guy get over it..

You obviously don't want to have a discussion, but I really wish we can pin this conversation when Dak plays like crap this year and NO is kicking butt.
If you follow football at all, Arians didn't want to have anything to do with Jameis, he basically said I will not deal with him and let the offensive coordinator handle it.
Jameis is no world beater, I know what he is. An average to above average guy. Dak is not an order of magnitude better. These gigantic mistakes don't just go away with the cap going up. The cheap QB advantage is gone. We need him to carry this team to 3 more wins than it is capable of. Good luck.
Please put a pin in this conversation.
My thought process was sign, Jamies or Fitz and fold the Dak hand. Either you trade him or let him walk. We have the most valuable franchise in all of sports buy we have to clowns running the show. 26 years of not making a championship is not a coincidence. It is based in factual reality.
This front office is not capable of going to the next level. They just don't have the smarts. Organizations realize after 4-5 years, even really dumb ones that a change is required in the way a team should be built....

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I know all you Dak guys will lose your mind. But as I have been screaming all year I wish we had signed Jameis. Saints resigned him for 1 year @12 million. I have a hunch if he starts he will produce at Dak’s level.
I am not anti Dak, and it doesn’t even matter anymore as he is signed and just watch how the team has instant regret. He is not elite and that is what burns me.
I can’t believe I am the only one who feels this way. I honestly can’t see a path to going deep in the playoffs as this fan base hasn’t seen a championship game since January 1996. The days before the Netscape IPO, the AOL day, IRC chat. We have some 30 year olds who has never even seen any real Cowboys success. Just ponder that for a few moments.

I guess you like interceptions....because he tends to throw more interceptions than TDs....you know Tampa walked away from him...he couldn't get a team with all that talent to 8-8......and 10M ain't going to buy you much on defense.....that's the cost difference between Dak at 22M cap hit and Jamies at 12M....

 

[OmerV]

He's got a better arm than Dak does.

If by better, you mean stronger, sure. And Ryan Leaf had a stronger arm than Peyton Manning. Clearly there is a lot more to the position than that.

 

[Whyjerry]

I know all you Dak guys will lose your mind. But as I have been screaming all year I wish we had signed Jameis. Saints resigned him for 1 year @12 million. I have a hunch if he starts he will produce at Dak’s level.
I am not anti Dak, and it doesn’t even matter anymore as he is signed and just watch how the team has instant regret. He is not elite and that is what burns me.
I can’t believe I am the only one who feels this way. I honestly can’t see a path to going deep in the playoffs as this fan base hasn’t seen a championship game since January 1996. The days before the Netscape IPO, the AOL day, IRC chat. We have some 30 year olds who has never even seen any real Cowboys success. Just ponder that for a few moments.

All QBs are overpaid right now. I like Dak. Not sure I like 42 million Dak. That is Jerry’s fault because he should have signed Dak 2 years ago. I think the bigger issue is the Zeke, Smith and Cooper contracts. How would fans feel if Dallas wasn’t wasting so much money on those guys?

 

[dckid]

I guess you like interceptions....because he tends to throw more interceptions than TDs....you know Tampa walked away from him...he couldn't get a team with all that talent to 8-8......and 10M ain't going to buy you much on defense.....that's the cost difference between Dak at 22M cap hit and Jamies at 12M....

As you know the cap can be maneuvered and the Cowboys did that with Dak, they added two voidable years to make the deal more cap friendly this year.
Just got to over the cap, and look up Dak's contract for 22 & 23 years, the cap hit is 33 & 44 million.
This year's hit is one thing, but think about all the players you could sign if you didnt have his contract on your books, you can stretch anyone else you sign.

 

[dckid]

All QBs are overpaid right now. I like Dak. Not sure I like 42 million Dak. That is Jerry’s fault because he should have signed Dak 2 years ago. I think the bigger issue is the Zeke, Smith and Cooper contracts. How would fans feel if Dallas wasn’t wasting so much money on those guys?

Zeke is disappointing. Cooper was Jerry's fault for letting him get to FA. Tyron Smith I am fine with as he signed a team friendly deal several years ago. He has been a great player from the jump.
Dak is going to be the one to compound all the mistakes. When he came out he reminded me of Big Ben, but I don't think he can even get to that level.

 

[Wolf2k5]

I’m hoping to get Mariota as the backup personally

 

[Whyjerry]

Zeke is disappointing. Cooper was Jerry's fault for letting him get to FA. Tyron Smith I am fine with as he signed a team friendly deal several years ago. He has been a great player from the jump.
Dak is going to be the one to compound all the mistakes. When he came out he reminded me of Big Ben, but I don't think he can even get to that level.

Jaylon. Not Tyron. Please Jaylon Smith’s contract...

 

[Cowboyny]

I know all you Dak guys will lose your mind. But as I have been screaming all year I wish we had signed Jameis. Saints resigned him for 1 year @12 million. I have a hunch if he starts he will produce at Dak’s level.
I am not anti Dak, and it doesn’t even matter anymore as he is signed and just watch how the team has instant regret. He is not elite and that is what burns me.
I can’t believe I am the only one who feels this way. I honestly can’t see a path to going deep in the playoffs as this fan base hasn’t seen a championship game since January 1996. The days before the Netscape IPO, the AOL day, IRC chat. We have some 30 year olds who has never even seen any real Cowboys success. Just ponder that for a few moments.

He is a turnover machine, that couldn't even get a starter's job on the open market last yr. It's not even a guarantee he starts this yr, either. Dak is clearly the better QB.

 

[RonnieT24]

He is a turnover machine, that couldn't even get a starter's job on the open market last yr. It's not even a guarantee he starts this yr, either. Dak is clearly the better QB.

Some people prefer ABD at QB..

ABD = Anybody But Dak.

I'm sure they have their reasons.. but precious few of them will be logical.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

Umm.. the league record for interceptions is 42 held by George Blanda in 1962. Second in Vinny Testaverde with 35 in 1988.. Jameis' 30 is only good for a tie for 7th all time. Just ahead of Bret Favre's 29 in 2005, which is just ahead of Peyton Manning's 28 in 1998. Even though that's still way too many INTs for my tastes, there are quite a few QBs who are ahead of him on the all time stinker list including 7 hall of famers..

Once again Ronnie Bag-o-Wind fails to include context.

Winston has only played six seasons. Those other guys had many more years racking up those totals.