What are your minimum expectations for 2021 season right now?

[Deep_Freeze]

At minimum we should win the East.

Anything less than that, is another wasted year off of Jerry's clock.

 

[Melonfeud]

I'd win money off you on that one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

*How much?(,,,er,, unless you maybe be privy to certain insider info like iffin' JARWIN ain't even on the roster no more, perhaps?

 

[DandyDon52]

its really simple
But you’ll actually have to pay attention

We went 6-10 last year
Dak was 1-3
Other QBs were therefore 5-7 which extrapolates to 7-9 over a season

so basically, Dalton can take this team to 7-9 and you think Dak will take us to 8-8 because you said that 9-7 would be over achieving (your words not mine)

so basically a 42 million /y QB gets us one more win than Dalton ? 8-8 vs 7-9

and that’s from a major big time Dak apologist like you

that's why you were so happy Dak got paid? To be able to go 8-8 instead of 7-9? LOL

I think you need to just start a thread about expectations for Dak lol
That isnt the topic of this thread.
This is about the team as a whole, not just single players.

 

[DandyDon52]

*How much?(,,,er,, unless you maybe be privy to certain insider info like iffin' JARWIN ain't even on the roster no more, perhaps?

imo if jarwin is healthy, he will be the starter, he makes the most money of the 2.
Shultz should get more playing time as the # 2 as a result of last season.

 

[plasticman]

After 25 seasons of having expectations without realization, I've learned to have hope rather than expectation.

Expectations are based on a combination of a players growth, off-season moves, and improvement of a young core of talent.

Hope is based on luck or the will of God, whichever belief is yours. The Cowboys have walked into seasons before with the league's best talent and ended breaking their fan's hearts.

The Cowboys are my team, always has been always will. I will watch every game but I have no expectations but I can still dream.

 

[cristglo]

Really Good Question DandyDon
At the end of last season it was fire the whole defense coaches and slap the Jones.
Before FA thought the Jones had got embarrassed enough and we would make at least one very good signing.
After FA its lets have a really good draft. TBD
Im a Fan and Im always going to drink the Kool-aide but after almost 30 years the Kool-aide is starting to taste soured.
I would like to see another SB in my time Not sure if that will ever happen again but thats what makes this fun every year we get to start out as equals then the season begins LOL

 

[Typhus]

Not opposed to addressing OL but I don't expect to see 4 out of 5 OL go down and then have backup OT go down. I do know this defense was not only bad it was historically bad, Dallas has never given up the run as they did last year dating back to the inception of the team. We have holes in the secondary that must be addressed. I understand the importance of OL but at this point I would much rather see this team make a real push to get this defense playing to a much higher level.

I really believe that injuries were just trending last season... some will find this comment to be hysterical, but it seemed eerily similar to blue collar America taking a few days off with out any recourse from your employer...lol

 

[Typhus]

All I know is if they get blown up inside vs the run in week one, this place will be nuts.

Like a BIG bowl of walnuts.

 

[Typhus]

We'll get blown up inside a lot if this is the DLine we're going to be trotting out there.

Gallimore having night sweats already, having recurring dreams in which Jerry brings him in his office and tells Gallimore that they really need to fix
a glaring weakness on this defense for the past two decades, and we really need you to be my War Daddy.
With HotBoyz music playing in the background.

 

[catiii]

7-10 or 8-9 best possible outcome. We ain't winning the NFCE. The clown show will continue and there will be throwing of beer cans at the TV and knashing of teeth amongst fans once again..................the momentum of mediocrity of the last 25+ years will continue in Jerry's real life Madden game.

 

[Adreme]

its really simple
But you’ll actually have to pay attention

We went 6-10 last year
Dak was 1-3
Other QBs were therefore 5-7 which extrapolates to 7-9 over a season

so basically, Dalton can take this team to 7-9 and you think Dak will take us to 8-8 because you said that 9-7 would be over achieving (your words not mine)

so basically a 42 million /y QB gets us one more win than Dalton ? 8-8 vs 7-9

and that’s from a major big time Dak apologist like you

that's why you were so happy Dak got paid? To be able to go 8-8 instead of 7-9? LOL

Wins are not a QB stat anymore than they are a Guard Stat or Tight End stat or Defensive Tackle stat. The only people who try that are either low football IQ fans/pundits who do not actually understand football and do not want to actually have to watch the teams play.

Now if you want to argue the offense, aka the unit Dak played on, was just as good when he got hurt as when he got healthy, that is an argument you can attempt to make. Reality will not let it fly, but you are more than free to attempt to make it. Arguing more than that though is not sound or based in reality.

Right now the problem with the Cowboys is the defense is terrible with scrub players at multiple positions. That has not changed so the team will not be better. They still have not won a game without scoring 30 since 2018. That is insane. You NEED the defense to help you pull out some 14-10 games every now and then if you want to be a top tier team. That just HAS to happen.

 

[75boyz]

Wins are not a QB stat anymore than they are a Guard Stat or Tight End stat or Defensive Tackle stat. The only people who try that are either low football IQ fans/pundits who do not actually understand football and do not want to actually have to watch the teams play.

Now if you want to argue the offense, aka the unit Dak played on, was just as good when he got hurt as when he got healthy, that is an argument you can attempt to make. Reality will not let it fly, but you are more than free to attempt to make it. Arguing more than that though is not sound or based in reality.

Right now the problem with the Cowboys is the defense is terrible with scrub players at multiple positions. That has not changed so the team will not be better. They still have not won a game without scoring 30 since 2018. That is insane. You NEED the defense to help you pull out some 14-10 games every now and then if you want to be a top tier team. That just HAS to happen.

In 2019 8 "team" wins were achieved.

6 of those 8 wins came against 3 win Washington(2), Detroit and Miami teams and a 4 win New York Giant team(2).

The 2020 team defensive rankings compared to the 2019 team defense makes the 2019 defense look like the '85 Bears in comparison.

The injuries to the 2020 Cowboys Mash unit offensive line in no shape or form was like 2019 in which most, if not all snaps were taken by incumbent starters.

The TD to Int ratio based on opponents played that year reveals a night and day contrast.

The correlation between such a drastic drop off in tds to ints and the level of competition can not be ignored.

In 2019 one QB took all the snaps with mostly all of its offensive line starters healthy.

It is no more plain to see than that.

You do not pay a person who takes every single snap whose primary responsibility is leading his offense to TDs $125 million dollars in guarantees after having a 9-11 record as a starter in his last 20 games and whose signature wins are over a 2019 one and done 9-7 Eagle playoff team and a 9-7 non Playoff Ram team. Why not just pay Cam 10 million or Winston 10 million or Dalton again but with healthy starters in order to achieve the same win totals?
What is the logic?

And the QB himself coming off season ending surgery along with both his tackles missing the whole previous year to sEason long surgeries as well...?

There is no logic to this. There IS a reason QBs are paid the Lions share of the entire team's cap. They hold a much higher responsibility/accountability to overall wins and losses. But in this scenario and for all the reasons mentioned, ya just don't pay him like that.
Not THAT contract.

But yeah,
It's the Dak, the Dak, the Dak as has been clearly explained here and not the team, the team, the team.

He is accountable. Period. And that contract was a mistake based on his individual inability to beat any decent team with a pulse on defense. And ain't nothing changed.

My "team" expectations? As stated earlier,. Beat 2 decent teams outside of the division with average to above defenses. Surely the QB of this caliber and leader of this offense with all these weapons can lead a win in a couple of shootouts regardless of his own defense right? I mean regardless of defensive opponent he faces.

I mean scoring shouldn't be the problem right? That's why he's being paid the big bucks, right?

 

[John813]

17-0
#1 offense
#1 defense

All-pro team is the Dallas Cowboys.

Anything less I will consider the NFL to be rigged

 

[Adreme]

In 2019 8 "team" wins were achieved.

6 of those 8 wins came against 3 win Washington(2), Detroit and Miami teams and a 4 win New York Giant team(2).

The 2020 team defensive rankings compared to the 2019 team defense makes the 2019 defense look like the '85 Bears in comparison.

The injuries to the 2020 Cowboys Mash unit offensive line in no shape or form was like 2019 in which most, if not all snaps were taken by incumbent starters.

The TD to Int ratio based on opponents played that year reveals a night and day contrast.

The correlation between such a drastic drop off in tds to ints and the level of competition can not be ignored.

In 2019 one QB took all the snaps with mostly all of its offensive line starters healthy.

It is no more plain to see than that.

You do not pay a person who takes every single snap whose primary responsibility is leading his offense to TDs $125 million dollars in guarantees after having a 9-11 record as a starter in his last 20 games and whose signature wins are over a 2019 one and done 9-7 Eagle playoff team and a 9-7 non Playoff Ram team. Why not just pay Cam 10 million or Winston 10 million or Dalton again but with healthy starters in order to achieve the same win totals?
What is the logic?

And the QB himself coming off season ending surgery along with both his tackles missing the whole previous year to sEason long surgeries as well...?

There is no logic to this. There IS a reason QBs are paid the Lions share of the entire team's cap. They hold a much higher responsibility/accountability to overall wins and losses. But in this scenario and for all the reasons mentioned, ya just don't pay him like that.
Not THAT contract.

But yeah,
It's the Dak, the Dak, the Dak as has been clearly explained here and not the team, the team, the team.

He is accountable. Period. And that contract was a mistake based on his individual inability to beat any decent team with a pulse on defense. And ain't nothing changed.

My "team" expectations? As stated earlier,. Beat 2 decent teams outside of the division with average to above defenses. Surely a QB if this caliber with all these weapons can win a couple of shootouts regardless of his own defense right?

I mean scoring shouldn't be the problem right?

Wins are not a QB stat. They are a team stat. Should we cut Martin for the teams record the past few years? Everytime I see someone try to use wins as a QB stat I go "oh he does not understand football well so he needs a crutch". You keep trying to do this and it fails on its face. Now you can pay a random QB 10 million and know you have no chance of doing anything more than at best sneaking into the playoffs to be swiftly eliminated, and if that is your end goal then that is fine, but if you have a franchise QB then you have a chance in the playoffs and the truth that everyone knows is that Dak is a franchise QB because they look at actual stats that are QB stats and not stats that have no meaning in the context of discussing how good a QB is.

However you did try to use int % which is interesting because the 2020 and 2019 numbers are exactly the same as a % (1.8 which was lower than the league average despite a LOT of attempts by Dak throwing the football). So the only real QB stat you used is used incorrectly by you.

Again though you can win shootouts, but you cant play ONLY shootouts and win in the NFL. As an example the Chiefs went 6-3 in games where the offense failed to score 30 points (again that happened 9 times to them last year) and the Buccs were 3-5. 3-5 is not great, but its good enough to get you to the playoffs. Dallas was 0-8 in those games last year. Sometimes you need the defense to come through. Sometimes you need to be able to hold a team to 17 points to win a game and that is fine. You NEED to be able to do that in the NFL.

However, lets talk alternatives to paying Dak since you view it as a mistake. First off you are going to pay some random scrub 10-20 million knowing you have no chance of being relevant for that year. After you are going to draft a QB in the first round knowing that, on average, he will fail because you have a 1 in 3 chance of finding a franchise guy in the first round (I can go back a decade and show this). So after spending 3 first round picks and several years (thinking at least 5) you might finally find a franchise QB and be right back where you started with an entire new crop of players. So basically the alternative is being nothing for 5+ years and doing a complete rebuild hoping that maybe you find the right QB in the draft (it has taken some franchises 15-20 years to do this).

 

[75boyz]

Wins are not a QB stat. They are a team stat. Should we cut Martin for the teams record the past few years? Everytime I see someone try to use wins as a QB stat I go "oh he does not understand football well so he needs a crutch". You keep trying to do this and it fails on its face. Now you can pay a random QB 10 million and know you have no chance of doing anything more than at best sneaking into the playoffs to be swiftly eliminated, and if that is your end goal then that is fine, but if you have a franchise QB then you have a chance in the playoffs and the truth that everyone knows is that Dak is a franchise QB because they look at actual stats that are QB stats and not stats that have no meaning in the context of discussing how good a QB is.

However you did try to use int % which is interesting because the 2020 and 2019 numbers are exactly the same as a % (1.8 which was lower than the league average despite a LOT of attempts by Dak throwing the football). So the only real QB stat you used is used incorrectly by you.

Again though you can win shootouts, but you cant play ONLY shootouts and win in the NFL. As an example the Chiefs went 6-3 in games where the offense failed to score 30 points (again that happened 9 times to them last year) and the Buccs were 3-5. 3-5 is not great, but its good enough to get you to the playoffs. Dallas was 0-8 in those games last year. Sometimes you need the defense to come through. Sometimes you need to be able to hold a team to 17 points to win a game and that is fine. You NEED to be able to do that in the NFL.

However, lets talk alternatives to paying Dak since you view it as a mistake. First off you are going to pay some random scrub 10-20 million knowing you have no chance of being relevant for that year. After you are going to draft a QB in the first round knowing that, on average, he will fail because you have a 1 in 3 chance of finding a franchise guy in the first round (I can go back a decade and show this). So after spending 3 first round picks and several years (thinking at least 5) you might finally find a franchise QB and be right back where you started with an entire new crop of players. So basically the alternative is being nothing for 5+ years and doing a complete rebuild hoping that maybe you find the right QB in the draft (it has taken some franchises 15-20 years to do this).

Here is an interesting crutch dilemma to consider...
Why is it that the quarterback position is the highest paid position on 95 % of all NFL teams?
Why is it that the QB is the so called face of the vast majority of all these teams?
Why is it that the saying that a QB shares in too much blame for losses and too much credit in victories?
So going by your stated logic, NFL guards are just as deserving as starting quarterbacks and thus deserving of equal part of the cap pie as well?
Do the remaining 51 players team contributions also merit an equal portion of this team salary cap as the starting QB as well?
Is there such a thing as elite QBs and game managers who need more support in order to perform as elite ones?

At what point does the Quarterback's responsibility to overall wins and losses begin and end or is it as you have described an equal 53rd share?
Man, these owners sure are overpaying all these game managers...


AND are you really gonna take an honest look at 2019, go game by game and demonstrate the already well known numbers of offensive blowouts against scrub opponents and near offensive no shows against .500 and above opponents? Seriously?

Just maybe the whole team crutch phenomena you refer to has about 31 other team owners who evaluate the QB position as possibly a little more responsible than their guards contributions and the corresponding paychecks to those QBs demonstrate as such.

But yeah.
All QBs are equal. They are no more important than any other player on the team and should not be paid as such.
There are no tiers of elite and game manager type QBs.

Why did Winston and Marotta get fired? Goff traded? Wentz traded?

That's right, all because of their defenses
And they personally were not held responsible for team wins and losses based on their paychecks given either.

Glad you set me straight on how the whole QB pay and team responsibility crutch scenario works throughout the NFL.

Sure appreciate the insight.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

The irony in this discussion and then flipping the statements used, logic and perspective from a Dak supporter and then using "this exact template" as a measurement tool for the entire 2019 season in which only poor teams were defeated is quite the kettle calling.

And no, I'm not a Dalton guy, lol.

This one blew me away.

It's "exactly" how I measured Dak in 2019 and 4 games of 2020.

But then when used as a measurement tool towards Dalton's performance by a Dak supporter it's as though 2019 never happened using the exact same formula.

Like bizarro weird.

It is the Zone. Kinda Twilight Zone, lol.

oh, I have not forgotten 2019. yes,I wanted more from the team that year. it was one of the weirdest NFL seasons I ever remember. a coaching staff, on last year of their cotract, with a superbowl or bust ultimatum.... and not using the garret thing as an excuse, but I counted at least 3 games where he directly cost the game, by his game mismanagement.

unlike Dak detractors and Dak haters (and yes there is a few), I take everything into account, including Dak, to form my opinion and suggest courses of actions. I am not emotionally biased like most of you, given in most of your arguments you tend to be highly emotional. I have from the begining talked about responsibility for offense, defense and coaching as all parts in the ultimate product we call Cowboys. Except for us cowboys, there is also the Jerry Jones factor (ugh).

and if you would have read my posts from two years ago you would have known I wasn't advocating to resign Dak. in fact I was advocating loudly to hold off in 2018 to extend him, so we could see some of the progress I expected to see from him before signing him, knowing we would have to pay a little more. but we would get it right, instead of handing him a 28M contract and regret it if he doesn't show the expected progress. Given his progress as a QB, it was the best move for the cowboys to sign him, since a franchise QB is key to the offense for the team.

wait....are you one of those fantasy football people who think don't pay Dak, go with a bottom licking QB like Dalton and build a defense through FA and voila we are a championship team? please tell me you are not one of those...

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Here is an interesting crutch dilemma to consider...
Why is it that the quarterback position is the highest paid position on 95 % of all NFL teams?
Why is it that the QB is the so called face of the vast majority of all these teams?
Why is it that the saying that a QB shares in too much blame for losses and too much credit in victories?
So going by your stated logic, NFL guards are just as deserving as starting quarterbacks and thus deserving of equal part of the cap pie as well?
Do the remaining 51 players team contributions also merit an equal portion of this team salary cap as the starting QB as well?
Is there such a thing as elite QBs and game managers who need more support in order to perform as elite ones?

At what point does the Quarterback's responsibility to overall wins and losses begin and end or is it as you have described an equal 53rd share?
Man, these owners sure are overpaying all these game managers...


AND are you really gonna take an honest look at 2019, go game by game and demonstrate the already well known numbers of offensive blowouts against scrub opponents and near offensive no shows against .500 and above opponents? Seriously?

Just maybe the whole team crutch phenomena you refer to has about 31 other team owners who evaluate the QB position as possibly a little more responsible than their guards contributions and the corresponding paychecks to those QBs demonstrate as such.

But yeah.
All QBs are equal. They are no more important than any other player on the team and should not be paid as such.
There are no tiers of elite and game manager type QBs.

Why did Winston and Marotta get fired? Goff traded? Wentz traded?

That's right, all because of their defenses
And they personally were not held responsible for team wins and losses based on their paychecks given either.

Glad you set me straight on how the whole QB pay and team responsibility crutch scenario works throughout the NFL.

Sure appreciate the insight.

its easy...why are they the highest paid? because they provide the easiest path to championship. without a QB, you have pretty much a fat chance, or you need to build an all time best defense to compensate for average QB play ala Ravens with Dilfer.....if you don't have the QB, your chance is next to nil....

and as a result QB is the face of a franchise. not by choice. but because they become highest paid player and profile for the team and the offense, given the NFL has changed rules over the past 20 years to be more offensive oriented than defensive oriented.

and QB as a result, fairly or unfairly gets blamed or gets credit for everything. facts are no QB, including the GOAT Brady has done it by himself, or can do it by himself. they need talent around them and they thus have the ability to maximize the output of that talent. Brady had a nice bunch of talent around him last year. Brees has had some talent on his team, like Thomas, Kamara, etc. so on and so fort. Even the great Mahomes has some talent on the offense to work with....like I said, they maximize the output of that talent on the team.

and the QB, also needs good coaches, running the right scheme, ad calling the right plays at the right time and manage the game properly. they need the defense to win some games and come through, even Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Mahomes win some low scoring games. the entiure onus of winning doesnt' 100% fall on the QB.

and I fund it very funny. the Dak hating crowd are solely focused on 2019, because 2017, 2018, 2016 and even the 5 games in 2020 doesn't fit their agenda. they ignore everything in 2019 and only focus through a peeping hole on one thing and that's wins and losses. but I have also heard Dak hating crowd say wins are a team thing, and turn around in the same post and blame Dak for losses and credit wins to the team.

and QBs are most important part of the team. Why did Winston get fired? easy. 30 interceptions. on a loaded team, with a good defense and all kinds of weapons, going 7-9. make that 15 interceptions and that's easily a 10-6 or 11-5 team as we witnessed.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

In McCarthy's presser he said they are not changing schemes on defense.

oh, craap.....

 

[75boyz]

oh, I have not forgotten 2019. yes,I wanted more from the team that year. it was one of the weirdest NFL seasons I ever remember. a coaching staff, on last year of their cotract, with a superbowl or bust ultimatum.... and not using the garret thing as an excuse, but I counted at least 3 games where he directly cost the game, by his game mismanagement.

unlike Dak detractors and Dak haters (and yes there is a few), I take everything into account, including Dak, to form my opinion and suggest courses of actions. I am not emotionally biased like most of you, given in most of your arguments you tend to be highly emotional. I have from the begining talked about responsibility for offense, defense and coaching as all parts in the ultimate product we call Cowboys. Except for us cowboys, there is also the Jerry Jones factor (ugh).

and if you would have read my posts from two years ago you would have known I wasn't advocating to resign Dak. in fact I was advocating loudly to hold off in 2018 to extend him, so we could see some of the progress I expected to see from him before signing him, knowing we would have to pay a little more. but we would get it right, instead of handing him a 28M contract and regret it if he doesn't show the expected progress. Given his progress as a QB, it was the best move for the cowboys to sign him, since a franchise QB is key to the offense for the team.

wait....are you one of those fantasy football people who think don't pay Dak, go with a bottom licking QB like Dalton and build a defense through FA and voila we are a championship team? please tell me you are not one of those...

I remember our previous discussions and the respect you showed of my opinion and now it shows through again and I appreciate it.
My concern is accomplishing the end game based on money spent.
By that I mean if a team can accomplish the same wins and losses with a QB on a first contract or a journeyman or game manager type at a fraction of the cost, then what is the basis for paying a guy much more when you know he does not possess the talent to overcome the team defensive deficiencies?

Can Cam or Jameis at 10 million per not accomplish the same 7 to 9 wins that this team ultimately has and always ends up achieving regardless of year, coach or defense?

Are Daks numbers against good teams in contrast to against bad such a quantum physics question as to not see that there are serious struggles against .500 and above opponents?

I've got another guy now talking his Jones version of relevance and how long a rebuild would take if using a first contract kid or recently released former starter.

My only good answer is to somehow try and recapture the OL dominance and offensive philosophy of 2016. It's the only formula I've seen with at least a level of noticeable "regular season" success.

The problem is that Zeke no longer exists. That oline no longer exists.
I do not have blind faith in Smith's and Collins full recoveries and return to former form from surgery lasting a full year.

I like the 2016 model. It's the same as what Tennessee is doing with Tannehill and Henry.

I do not have to mention defense to you because I share all of your exact opinions on this team's inability to field an effective defensive roster.

I just believe a smash mouth TOP heavy offense that keeps the personnel lacking defense off the field is the best overall path to success for this team.

I do not believe this QB has all of a sudden morphed into a Big 12 high volume pass happy guy compared to what he was as that 2016 efficient game manager who took his shots but relied on his oline and running game.

I don't see myself being convinced otherwise either.

My difference is based entirely on how the end game is arrived at. And if I can save a hundred million dollars and continue to draft and develop HOF level 1st rd olinemen, there is a very miniscule fighters chance at success.

If 1st round o linemen begin to not be drafted and developed, the current downward trajectory of this team will continue imo.

Because as you and I have agreed, they just do not know how to draft and develop a defensive roster. Until this scouting or coaching mystery can be figured out there is no reason to pay elite prices for mediocre overall team success, ie wins.

 

[75boyz]

its easy...why are they the highest paid? because they provide the easiest path to championship. without a QB, you have pretty much a fat chance, or you need to build an all time best defense to compensate for average QB play ala Ravens with Dilfer.....if you don't have the QB, your chance is next to nil....

and as a result QB is the face of a franchise. not by choice. but because they become highest paid player and profile for the team and the offense, given the NFL has changed rules over the past 20 years to be more offensive oriented than defensive oriented.

and QB as a result, fairly or unfairly gets blamed or gets credit for everything. facts are no QB, including the GOAT Brady has done it by himself, or can do it by himself. they need talent around them and they thus have the ability to maximize the output of that talent. Brady had a nice bunch of talent around him last year. Brees has had some talent on his team, like Thomas, Kamara, etc. so on and so fort. Even the great Mahomes has some talent on the offense to work with....like I said, they maximize the output of that talent on the team.

and the QB, also needs good coaches, running the right scheme, ad calling the right plays at the right time and manage the game properly. they need the defense to win some games and come through, even Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Mahomes win some low scoring games. the entiure onus of winning doesnt' 100% fall on the QB.

and I fund it very funny. the Dak hating crowd are solely focused on 2019, because 2017, 2018, 2016 and even the 5 games in 2020 doesn't fit their agenda. they ignore everything in 2019 and only focus through a peeping hole on one thing and that's wins and losses. but I have also heard Dak hating crowd say wins are a team thing, and turn around in the same post and blame Dak for losses and credit wins to the team.

and QBs are most important part of the team. Why did Winston get fired? easy. 30 interceptions. on a loaded team, with a good defense and all kinds of weapons, going 7-9. make that 15 interceptions and that's easily a 10-6 or 11-5 team as we witnessed.

I initially thought you were the Adreme guy responding to his post and gave props on this post but then glanced up to see it was you answering.
No worries, at least I see you get it, lol.