News: ESPN: Cowboys 'impressed' with Dak's rehab progress

USArmyVet said:
Okay, so then what's your excuse to constantly wear your Captain ****** disguise....or does that cover up for your feeble male self?
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what is wrong with you man....are you drunk or something? you have been looking for a confrontational argument all day..... did somebody p!ss in your coffee this morning?
 
pansophy said:
Cherry picking a couple of poor games doesn't seem like a good way to evaluate a QB, but okay. Looking at these games I would say that not all 17 point games are the same.

Against the Eagles, Pollard loses a fumble, and we don't get any turnovers. Right there we only have a 25% chance of winning. We were down by 10 early; Wentz only missed 9 passes the whole game. Elliott gains just 47 yards on 13 carries. Dak plays okay at best. QBR is 39.7

Against NE, Dak throws a pick and Brady doesn't. Otherwise the game stats look nearly identical.

Against New Orleans Dak and Bridewater both throw picks, but Witten and Elliot both fumble yielding a -2 turnover ratio. A -2 turnover differential puts us at ~10% chance to win.

So sure, throw the New England game on Dak for being the source of our turnover differential. It's hard for me to get too upset with Dak and his ~10 INTs a year. Aikman had some 5 INT games. I loved Romo but he would lose a game or two a season from his INTs. We don't see that with Dak, and I personally don't live in a world in which QB must play perfectly every game for us to be able to win.
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Dak threw ZERO TD passes in those 3 games. So, I chose to blame him.
 
pansophy said:
So basically everyone should give up and go home because almost everyone fails?
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I didn't say that either, but comparing a QB to Brees and Manning is unrealistic expectations. Dak has nowhere near the talent of those two guys.
 
MountaineerCowboy said:
Yeah, a lot of other QBs never won anything in their first 5 years either.... and never won anything after that also.

Why do people only bring up the success stories when there are WAY MORE stories of failure? Wishful thinking? Blinded by the star on the helmet? What?
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You are ignoring the context of the comments.

Nobody has said that not having big playoff success in 5 years means a QB will be another Manning or Brees, What we are responding to is posts that treat playoff success in 5 years as a definitive measure of all a QB is and all a team can be with that QB, and within that context it is entirely reasonable to point out that it is not a definitive measure.
 
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MountaineerCowboy said:
I didn't say that either, but comparing a QB to Brees and Manning is unrealistic expectations. Dak has nowhere near the talent of those two guys.
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Dak was not mechanically sound when he came into the league. Once defenses realized that Dak struggled to throw the sidelines, 2017 and 2018 were much tougher. But Dak has shown the ability to improve. You could see things start to come together at the end of 2018 -- anticipating better and throwing to the sidelines with some improved accuracy. The new throwing motion in 2019 took his game to a new level, and unfortunately injuries hampered him the second half the season. Obviously last year was a mess.

I had doubts about Dak, including about how much to pay him, but he has sold me on his ability to improve. He is certainly good enough to win and in that 6-10 QB range. Eli won 2 super bowls and really wasn't that good.
 
MountaineerCowboy said:
I'm sorry if I put the blame on the most important person on the football team. I should've blamed Jarwin or Gallup instead. My bad.
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this made zero sense. you have clearly put 100% of the blame on Dak. I asked several times and you as usual and predictable avoided. Was it Dak's fault in the playoffs giving up 250 yards rushing!? was it his fault for the defense not to hold Rodgers and send the game to over time when we tied the game? was it his fault when Witten fumbled at mid field against saints in a 12-10 game?

Dak or any QB for that matter never bear 100% of blame nor credit.....which is what you have done repeatedly, both crediting others and blaming Dak
 
OmerV said:
Your personal expectation isn't necessarily the same as the realistic one.
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expectations for dak are simple.
He should win 100% of the games that we keep the opposition to 17 or less
He has to throw at least one TD every game
He has to win at least 2 superbowls
He has to win the division for the next 5 years
He has to score every quarter, and at least 17 points in the first half of every game
He has to lead the league in passing and be top 5 in every other category

defense holds no responsibility. none. they give up 40 points, then Dak should score 41. most of which needs to come in the first half. both halve's should have equal scoring.
coaches holds no responsibility. he should design, call and execute his own plays, scheme and game plan
owner holds no responsibility. that goes without saying. he just pays the money.
none of the other offensive players hold any responsibility including drops (Dak's fault for being inaccurate), fumbles (dak's fault for not putting the ball in the right place for the RB).
All Sacks are Dak's fault. he should run, but because he broke his ankle, he can't run. he needs to be more like Lamar Jackson.




all losses will be analyzed and scrutinized and picked to death, that means every throw, every series, every drive, every quarter, every half, every game. losses are not acceptable and are Dak's fault regardless.
 
MountaineerCowboy said:
I'm sorry if I put the blame on the most important person on the football team. I should've blamed Jarwin or Gallup instead. My bad.
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Well, I'm convinced. You've laid out such a sound explanation as to why a team sport falls solely on one guy that it all makes sense now. If you have a good QB, the other guys don't even need to show up. Zeke didn't show up for those three games...shouldn't matter. Cooper takes a mental holiday...doesn't matter. Center retires and your guard isn't ready yet...doesn't matter. The most important guy on the team, Dak, should have won every game by himself. /s

You've already decided the losses are all on Dak. So, you dismiss everything else...just wave it away. That reflects on you, not the QB.

I have had a very slow buy-in on Dak. I've never bought into the massive salary-cap eating contract. But, to blame the failure to win games on him and him alone is refusing to look at what actually happened. Your arguments are completely immature. For example, you say that you should've blamed Jarwin or Gallup. Really? That's the best you got? Why did you mention them specifically? What about Cooper and Zeke in those very games you mentioned? Those are the two guys I mentioned. In 2019, Zeke was the one who cashed in. Zeke is the one who should have been carrying the team. He got paid like a back who could carry the team. He got paid like the most important player on the offense. And yet, you hold only Dak accountable for offense's inability to be consistent in 2019.
 
Scotman said:
Well, I'm convinced. You've laid out such a sound explanation as to why a team sport falls solely on one guy that it all makes sense now. If you have a good QB, the other guys don't even need to show up. Zeke didn't show up for those three games...shouldn't matter. Cooper takes a mental holiday...doesn't matter. Center retires and your guard isn't ready yet...doesn't matter. The most important guy on the team, Dak, should have won every game by himself. /s

You've already decided the losses are all on Dak. So, you dismiss everything else...just wave it away. That reflects on you, not the QB.

I have had a very slow buy-in on Dak. I've never bought into the massive salary-cap eating contract. But, to blame the failure to win games on him and him alone is refusing to look at what actually happened. Your arguments are completely immature. For example, you say that you should've blamed Jarwin or Gallup. Really? That's the best you got? Why did you mention them specifically? What about Cooper and Zeke in those very games you mentioned? Those are the two guys I mentioned. In 2019, Zeke was the one who cashed in. Zeke is the one who should have been carrying the team. He got paid like a back who could carry the team. He got paid like the most important player on the offense. And yet, you hold only Dak accountable for offense's inability to be consistent in 2019.
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Good point on Zeke.
 
MountaineerCowboy said:
So are you or are you not seeing the issues in Dak having a combined ZERO TD passes in those embarrassingly low scoring loses? You said I have no idea what you refuse, but then you didn't refute what I said. You just went on to defend Dak and call people Dak haters that you're not sure are capable of using facts. Is it not a fact that Dak had ZERO TD passes in three EXTREMLY low scoring loses in a season where that could've been the difference in 8-8 and 11-5? Or are you just gonna call me a "hater" and gloss right over that again?
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Nope her didn't throw a TD pass in those games you are taking about but that was 2 years ago. You think he is the same QB? That's why I call folks like you haters cause you bring up games from 2017 or 2 years ago and act like he hasn't improved
 
Irvin88_4life said:
Nope her didn't throw a TD pass in those games you are taking about but that was 2 years ago. You think he is the same QB? That's why I call folks like you haters cause you bring up games from 2017 or 2 years ago and act like he hasn't improved
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You guys are blinded by literally 3 games in 2020. How did he do in the Rams game? How was he doing in the Giants game before the injury?

He put up big numbers in 3 games. You know what those three games had in common? He was playing bad defenses, he did nothing until we was already down by a few scores, and the defenses starting playing him soft half way through the 3rd quarters. I'm sure you will try and discredit all that, but it's facts. Why did Dak allow the team to go down by so many points and not be able to answer back at all until the game was all but over? Why did the offense do nothing until the defenses starting playing conservative?

I want to believe. I really do, but when you look at everything you can see all the cracks in the armor if you look at it objectively and not with biased eyes. There are a lot of problems with this team. Dak can be a bright spot, but he can also be the reason we lose games. I'm not saying 2020 was his fault, because it would have been hard for any QB to win with that defense. I'm saying that if you actually look at Daks numbers his bad play through the first 3 quarters of all those games was a big reason why he was able to put up big numbers late in the games. A lot the the stats are empty.
 
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