Dak gets another Top 5 ranking

[CowboysFaninHouston]

You're reaching for something, anything one this one, huh?

Do you really in your heart of hearts believe that Washington was just going to give up on their NUMBER 2 overall pick the same way the Cowboys moved on from their old, injury prone QB? You cannot possible believe this is the same kind of scenario.

No matter how you try and twist it it's still a terrible point and proves nothing. It's still the equivalent of saying "Well, Kirk was the back up and Dak was 3rd string, therefore Kirk is better".

Romo was the heart and soul of the offense and the team. he had a large contract and the team was made Romo friendly..... Dak simply played himself to a starter that season

and Shanahan didn't like Griffin. he drafted cousins, so Griffin was on a short leash...cousins simply had to outplay him and he couldn't and was sent back to the bench....

in no universe Kirk is better than Dak, you will never find one legit NFL person to say Kirk is better than Dak.....and even then. Kirk got a 33M per year contract last year, which was about average rate for starting QBs in the top 15 in the NFL...

 

[Ken]

We still harkening back to 2016 to defend Dak? lol

Dak's career is on a similar trajectory as Cousins........ lots of yards and few playoff wins. Dak's got 1 30 TD season. Your projection that Dak was going to continue his 2020 pace over a whole season against good defenses is laughable. He piled up those stats against prevent/milk the clock defenses b/c we were losing. Dak was 1-3 in 2020.

3 Words For You:

HISTORICALLY BAD DEFENSE

Thanks.

 

[Diehardblues]

I agree. I think he would have went over 5,000 yards also, but you just never know. He looked like he was going to in 2019 until he feel off a little and finished just short of 5,000.

Curious where you’d rank Dak in the NFL?

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

wait, you accuse me of what you do, so as a means to turn the table....I simply discredited your approach with specific metrics you use in different argument. as a matter of fact, I have said in the past, one measure doesn't matter, because there is a combination of factors to consider.

I have never said Dak is elite, so that craap doesn't stick...don't even try to go there.

Dak is a better QB than Cousins. everyone and I mean EVERYONE in the NFL and EVERY analyst with football background says so....show me one....one legit analyst or legit football person that says Cousins is a better QB.....ONE

now, don't go pulling skip bayless...if you do, I will lose any little respect I had for you

Prove it.

I don't care about what the media says. They are just opinions that have a big platform.

What has Dak done that says he is clearly better then Cousins? Do you think Dak takes that Washington team to the playoffs like Kirk did? Give a gander at the roster and then get back to me. I know you'll say "yes", but I don't think you actually believe it.

 

[Diehardblues]

Prove it.

I don't care about what the media says. They are just opinions that have a big platform.

What has Dak done that says he is clearly better then Cousins? Do you think Dak takes that Washington team to the playoffs like Kirk did? Give a gander at the roster and then get back to me. I know you'll say "yes", but I don't think you actually believe it.

Please provide us a link without a big platform that hails Cousins as a better QB than Dak.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

Romo was the heart and soul of the offense and the team. he had a large contract and the team was made Romo friendly..... Dak simply played himself to a starter that season

and Shanahan didn't like Griffin. he drafted cousins, so Griffin was on a short leash...cousins simply had to outplay him and he couldn't and was sent back to the bench....

in no universe Kirk is better than Dak, you will never find one legit NFL person to say Kirk is better than Dak.....and even then. Kirk got a 33M per year contract last year, which was about average rate for starting QBs in the top 15 in the NFL...

You're really going to stay on this hill even when you are dead wrong, huh?

Prove to me that Kirk is clearly better. If you do then I will gladly say I am wrong. I don't mind admitting it when I am shown facts. I can change my mind.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I agree. I think he would have went over 5,000 yards also, but you just never know. He looked like he was going to in 2019 until he feel off a little and finished just short of 5,000.

2019 was one of the strangest NFL seasons for any team I ever remember. a coaching staff, on an ultimatum do or die year. a 1st year OC with all of 1 year total coaching experience at any level, being told to report to Jones and not the HC. a coaching staff fighting each other on the sideline. a GM speaking past the coaches. players ignoring coaches....it was a total cultural disaster. there was no way in hel! that team would have seen any success. there was just too many dysfunctions to over come for any team, much less a single player. I had predicted that we probably end up a 6-10 to 8-8 at best prior to the season. I just couldn't seen anything we had done to put us in a position to succeed. expecting a first year OC, under garrett no less to have success. I had said many times prior to the season that Moore was going to get schooled by veteran DCs. he was going to make mistakes and learn on the job. putting him in a critical role in a do or die year....should we have expected anything different....no excuses. just plain facts of NFL....

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

Please provide us a link without a big platform that hails Cousins as a better QB than Dak.

That's the point....

Everyone thinks Dak is better because some random ESPN or CBS analyst has a list of rankings that has Dak higher.

Therefore it must be fact, right? Because that analyst says so and he has a big platform.

 

[Diehardblues]

That's the point....

Everyone thinks Dak is better because some random ESPN or CBS analyst has a list of rankings that has Dak higher.

Therefore it must be fact, right? Because that analyst says so and he has a big platform.

I’ll ask again. Provide any noted opinion from any platform that supports your opinion.

You might begin looking at Washington sites and or media.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

You're really going to stay on this hill even when you are dead wrong, huh?

Prove to me that Kirk is clearly better. If you do then I will gladly say I am wrong. I don't mind admitting it when I am shown facts. I can change my mind.

prove that Kirk is better? not sure I understand....
I assume you mean prove that Dak is better.

Dak has accomplished more in less than 5 years of play than Kirk in 9. Kirk has had as strong or stronger supporting cast. his one year of playoff success he had the #5 defense in the league supporting him and he still couldn't get it done. He had #4 defense in the league in 2018 and managed 8-7-1 record. his best passing season he had about 4900 and went down hill from there (he went 8-7-1 then too). his QBR is way below Dak for his career. had a dismal performance in playoffs where his team got blown out in the loss and never had a chance and got shut out the second half of the game, when games are won and lost....he tends to disappear in big moments and in 9 years has only had 11 4th quarter comebacks...and its not like he hasn't had weapons around him.....in three years in minn, 8-7-1, 10-6, 7-9....

you will not find one head coach, scout or GM that would take cousins over Dak....cousins peaked and is now descending fast. Dak is still rising. we will revisit this in 4 years, when Dak has had 9 years in the league and compare him to Cousins first 9 years.....it won't even be close. .

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

That's the point....

Everyone thinks Dak is better because some random ESPN or CBS analyst has a list of rankings that has Dak higher.

Therefore it must be fact, right? Because that analyst says so and he has a big platform.

no, false. Dak is better statistically, performance vise and last year 50 FO personnel ranked Dak way above cousins...its not just this one. its everyone. but I guess everyone is wrong. and you are right? is that it?

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Prove it.

I don't care about what the media says. They are just opinions that have a big platform.

What has Dak done that says he is clearly better then Cousins? Do you think Dak takes that Washington team to the playoffs like Kirk did? Give a gander at the roster and then get back to me. I know you'll say "yes", but I don't think you actually believe it.

in 5 years he has accomplished more than cousins. he is ascending player, while Cousins has peaked and descending. Dak's statistics are better than Cousins including career QBR.

let me ask you. if you had a chance to build a team and had Cousins or Dak as your choice, with no salary concerns. who would you pick?

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

I’ll ask again. Provide any noted opinion from any platform that supports your opinion.

You might begin looking at Washington sites and or media.

I don't think you're understanding.

Their word is not what I base my opinions on when it comes to QBs. Just because they have a big platform does not make their rankings correct.

 

[DeaconMoss]

I’d challenge anyone to find a link that has Dak ranked out of the top 10.

Yes this is a dated article, but very applicable since 2020 was an incomplete injury season.
My view of Dak is pretty much the same and unchanged.
Prescott is relatively young and durable until the ankle.
Passed for a career-high 4,902 yards in 2019.
Cowboys went 1-6 against playoff teams during that year, and Prescott has a 1-2 record in the playoffs.
Started off 2020 with big numbers in the 2nd halves of games. 1-3 record.
I give him credit for trying hard on the comebacks. Yes the defense was bad, so was Dak-led Offense in first half of each game.

@Doomsday101 I think this article sums it up for a lot of "Dak Haters" who actually like Dak, but question why he demanded to be paid as the top guy, when the proof and results aren't there yet.
Dak Haters are Dallas Cowboys fans. And on this forum, that's a bad thing. So I'll keep my label as Dak Hater and wait for him to hopefully prove he's worth his demands.

https://thelandryhat.com/2020/02/16/dallas-cowboys-nfl-com-rank-dak-prescott-2019/

Prescott posted career numbers in 2019. He threw for 4,902 yards, 30 touchdowns, and 11 interceptions completing 65.1 percent of his passes. His passing yards total was the second-highest in the NFL last season and his passing touchdowns ranked fourth.

Despite the lofty numbers, the Cowboys still underwhelmed last year posting a record of 8-8 and losing the NFC East crown due to a 17-9 defeat to the Philadelphia Eagles in Week 16. Prescott had his worst performance of the season when it counted most against the Birds, completing just 25 of his 44 passes (56.8) for 265 yards, no touchdowns, and no interceptions in the critical matchup.

That lack of team success has led experts at NFL.com to rank Prescott outside of the top ten in their recent QB Index, where they ranked every passer to start a game in 2019. Here’s what Tom Blair wrote after all four NFL.com experts ranked Prescott 11th overall …

@MountaineerCowboy
“Prescott was fantastic at times in the last year of his rookie contract, but the Cowboys missed the playoffs, and he’s now in danger of getting stuck in the Cousins Zone: good enough to pay a ton of money but dogged by lingering doubts over his ceiling.”

The more interesting part of this ranking might be the fact all four NFL.com editors were unanimous on their placement of Dak Prescott outside the top ten. And if that view is shared league-wide, what does that say about the Dallas Cowboys potentially preparing to make Prescott one of the highest-paid quarterbacks in the league? Agreeing on Dak’s value is surely one of the main reasons why a longterm deal has yet to be struck in Dallas.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

prove that Kirk is better? not sure I understand....
I assume you mean prove that Dak is better.

Dak has accomplished more in less than 5 years of play than Kirk in 9. Kirk has had as strong or stronger supporting cast. his one year of playoff success he had the #5 defense in the league supporting him and he still couldn't get it done. He had #4 defense in the league in 2018 and managed 8-7-1 record. his best passing season he had about 4900 and went down hill from there (he went 8-7-1 then too). his QBR is way below Dak for his career. had a dismal performance in playoffs where his team got blown out in the loss and never had a chance and got shut out the second half of the game, when games are won and lost....he tends to disappear in big moments and in 9 years has only had 11 4th quarter comebacks...and its not like he hasn't had weapons around him.....in three years in minn, 8-7-1, 10-6, 7-9....

you will not find one head coach, scout or GM that would take cousins over Dak....cousins peaked and is now descending fast. Dak is still rising. we will revisit this in 4 years, when Dak has had 9 years in the league and compare him to Cousins first 9 years.....it won't even be close. .

I don't see how any of this proves Dak is better.

You just brought up a bunch of team failures and blamed them on Cousins. If Dak had any success then I could see it, but he doesn't. They both have the same amount of playoff wins.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

no, false. Dak is better statistically, performance vise and last year 50 FO personnel ranked Dak way above cousins...its not just this one. its everyone. but I guess everyone is wrong. and you are right? is that it?

Prove it without spouting off about team failures.

 

[Doomsday101]

I'm a fan of Dak and these rankings and stats only show me he is capable of leading this team and competing for a championship. However much like Romo I no longer care about the raw stats I care about him helping this team to a championship period. I care about making the key play in a game when your team needs it the most.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

in 5 years he has accomplished more than cousins. he is ascending player, while Cousins has peaked and descending. Dak's statistics are better than Cousins including career QBR.

let me ask you. if you had a chance to build a team and had Cousins or Dak as your choice, with no salary concerns. who would you pick?

TDL that missing a season due to injury means you're "ascending".

Daks stats are not better then Cousins.

I'd pick Dak because he is younger, but not because he is clearly better. There's a few QBs I would pick Dak over simply because of age instead of ability. Dak might not be at their level yet, but i'd take the chance on Dak reaching that level instead of a player already past their peak.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

Yes this is a dated article, but very applicable since 2020 was an incomplete injury season.
My view of Dak is pretty much the same and unchanged.
Prescott is relatively young and durable until the ankle.
Passed for a career-high 4,902 yards in 2019.
Cowboys went 1-6 against playoff teams during that year, and Prescott has a 1-2 record in the playoffs.
Started off 2020 with big numbers in the 2nd halves of games. 1-3 record.
I give him credit for trying hard on the comebacks. Yes the defense was bad, so was Dak-led Offense in first half of each game.

I think this article sums it up for a lot of "Dak Haters" who actually like Dak, but question why he demanded to be paid as the top guy, when the proof and results aren't there yet.
Dak Haters are Dallas Cowboys fans. And on this forum, that's a bad thing. So I'll keep my label as Dak Hater and wait for him to hopefully prove he's worth his demands.

https://thelandryhat.com/2020/02/16/dallas-cowboys-nfl-com-rank-dak-prescott-2019/

Prescott posted career numbers in 2019. He threw for 4,902 yards, 30 touchdowns, and 11 interceptions completing 65.1 percent of his passes. His passing yards total was the second-highest in the NFL last season and his passing touchdowns ranked fourth.

Despite the lofty numbers, the Cowboys still underwhelmed last year posting a record of 8-8 and losing the NFC East crown due to a 17-9 defeat to the Philadelphia Eagles in Week 16. Prescott had his worst performance of the season when it counted most against the Birds, completing just 25 of his 44 passes (56.8) for 265 yards, no touchdowns, and no interceptions in the critical matchup.

That lack of team success has led experts at NFL.com to rank Prescott outside of the top ten in their recent QB Index, where they ranked every passer to start a game in 2019. Here’s what Tom Blair wrote after all four NFL.com experts ranked Prescott 11th overall …

@MountaineerCowboy
“Prescott was fantastic at times in the last year of his rookie contract, but the Cowboys missed the playoffs, and he’s now in danger of getting stuck in the Cousins Zone: good enough to pay a ton of money but dogged by lingering doubts over his ceiling.”

The more interesting part of this ranking might be the fact all four NFL.com editors were unanimous on their placement of Dak Prescott outside the top ten. And if that view is shared league-wide, what does that say about the Dallas Cowboys potentially preparing to make Prescott one of the highest-paid quarterbacks in the league? Agreeing on Dak’s value is surely one of the main reasons why a longterm deal has yet to be struck in Dallas.

So, I'm not the only one that can see the Cousins comparison.

Actually, to reach the "Cousins Zone", Dak still needs to put up consistent seasons of production like Cousins has done.

Great post!

 

[JoeKing]

Great! Another thing to feed his ego.