The goat, where does Prescott really rank

[Whirlwin]

How many turnovers did the defense have? How was the special teams?

People forget how bad special-teams were. We traveled 40 extra yards on every single drive. Teams are starting inside of their own side of the field. We started every drive inside of our own 30

 

[LACowboysFan1]

How many turnovers did the defense have? How was the special teams?

19th in turnovers, with 20. But there were 8 teams that had no more than 25, or about 1 every 3 games. Not a big difference.
Special teams are hard to rank, there are so few returns these days, especially on punts, but one site lists the DVOA for Dallas at 9th. Pretty good...

 

[Whirlwin]

19th in turnovers, with 20. But there were 8 teams that had no more than 25, or about 1 every 3 games. Not a big difference.
Special teams are hard to rank, there are so few returns these days, especially on punts, but one site lists the DVOA for Dallas at 9th. Pretty good...

We had the worst special-teams in the entire league. Started every drive on our side of the field. Most inside are 30

 

[Rockport]

19th in turnovers, with 20. But there were 8 teams that had no more than 25, or about 1 every 3 games. Not a big difference.
Special teams are hard to rank, there are so few returns these days, especially on punts, but one site lists the DVOA for Dallas at 9th. Pretty good...

20th with 20. That's in the bottom of the league which to me constitutes that they sucked in the takeaway department. And 23rd in Special Teams. They sucked. Maybe you're not old enough to remember.

 

[blueblood70]

not even worth a debate , hes not anywhere close to conversation of goat in his career AT THIS Point..

I like Dak but he falls in line with many players like Romo but currently Cousins, and yes the controversial Wentz, goff, Stafford and many very good QBS that sometimes play great like Watson, Rivers, and soem up and comers all Tier 2 very good QBS but not tier one and for sure not ELITE..

ti be goat you have to be ELITE and do it for long period of time..

you know elite

Mahomes,

TB12
Brees
Pmanning
Big ben for most of his career
Rwilson
Marino
Elway
Farve-debatable
etc etc long list of older elite guys but short list when comparing the next level that dak fals into Daks in very bunched area of very good QBs as Romo, ELiManning etc, was but hasn't yet crossed even close into the top tier guys,.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

not even worth a debate , hes not anywhere close to conversation of goat in his career AT THIS Point..

I like Dak but he falls in line with many players like Romo but currently Cousins, and yes the controversial Wentz, goff, Stafford and many very good QBS that sometimes play great like Watson, Rivers, and soem up and comers all Tier 2 very good QBS but not tier one and for sure not ELITE..

ti be goat you have to be ELITE and do it for long period of time..

you know elite

Mahomes,

TB12
Brees
Pmanning
Big ben for most of his career
Rwilson
Marino
Elway
Farve-debatable
etc etc long list of older elite guys but short list when comparing the next level that dak fals into Daks in very bunched area of very good QBs as Romo, ELiManning etc, was but hasn't yet crossed even close into the top tier guys,.

You're correct. Dak, so far, has done nothing to set himself apart from guys like Kirk Cousins or Derek Carr.

 

[blueblood70]

You're correct. Dak, so far, has done nothing to set himself apart from guys like Kirk Cousins or Derek Carr.

to be fair as hasnt 8 other qbs all with about the same skill sets or career progress..

they are all front line starters even franchise guys but GOats or elite..not yet in my book..

 

[GMO415]

Brady is better than Montana, Marino, Elway, both Mannings, and even Staubach. He's a generational QB.

 

[LACowboysFan1]

Maybe you're not old enough to remember.

I wish.

 

[LACowboysFan1]

Brady is better than Montana, Marino, Elway, both Mannings, and even Staubach. He's a generational QB.

Can't really argue, yes some of his wins are a bit tainted, such as the Seattle one, he lost that game but for a stupid play call at the end.

Still, even taking away 2 titles, he's still got more than anybody else. That's what will be remembered most, the 7 rings...

 

[Brax]

Real

How many turnovers did the defense have? How was the special teams?

Excuses excuses they never stop, just say Dak choked, the truth is always the best view. So Dak needs elite talent at all offensive position and a top 3 D that gets 40 to 50 turnovers, what excuse will you have when chokes again, a hangnail. Keep the humorous posts coming we all enjoy the laughs.

 

[NotForLong]

Mostly, yes. But in 2016 the Cowboys had the no. 5 defense, the top offensive line (or in the top 3), the NFL rushing champion and the number 5 overall defense.

Now he was a rookie that year, no rookie quarterback has ever won a SB, so it's not realistic, regardless of the team around him, to win the SB.

Just noting that he's had good teams around him...

Then Why did the Cowboys continue to play him?

 

[NotForLong]

How many turnovers did the defense have? How was the special teams?

Is this Sarcasim?

 

[Rockport]

Is this Sarcasim?

Uh, no

 

[kskboys]

Brady is better than Montana, Marino, Elway, both Mannings, and even Staubach. He's a generational QB.

All those guys are generational QBs. Except for Eli, what in the world would make you include Eli in this list?

Montana = Brady

 

[Captain-Crash]

Is this Sarcasim?

no! and yes he does have dak's picture over his bed.

 

[gimmesix]

Tom Brady, his teams have won against ,Patrick Mahomes and Aaron Rodgers. In the playoffs. Not to mention Drew Brees, Russell Wilson, and others obviously . Are you the best simply because you beat the best. Or you have the best numbers, statistics. I can’t wait for the season opener. Prescott has gone into Pittsburgh and beat Rothlisberger in his own house. We beat Aaron Rodgers in his own house. And we went down to New Orleans and beat them also . It’s time to beat Tom Brady, and Patrick Mahomes , this season. Yeah I know it’s about playoffs and championships. But that’s more about team and coaching. No this is not another Prescott thread. This is what gives you the right to be called the best.

It isn't simply about victories. In fact, winning is the lowest part of the equation because there have been some great quarterbacks stuck on mediocre teams.

The only way that you could judge a quarterback by his ability to beat another quarterback is if the teams were of equal strength. As you said, playoffs and championships are about team and coaching. Having a great QB is a factor most of the time (but not always).

However, it's not all about statistics, either. Statistics can tell you a lot about an individual player, but not everything. If the team gets to a championship game and loses on an interception by the quarterback, then the QB may deserve blame (but not in every situation, such as a defense never being able to hold the leads the QB and offense gave them).

So really, it's everything together, which comes primarily through observation. That's why there will always be debates about the GOAT at every position. It's not that hard to pick out through all the measurables and observation who should be in consideration as the best, but making the final call will always be subjective.

 

[gimmesix]

I knew some wouldn’t get it. We’re talking about what gives you the right to be called the best

To be fair, you asked an NFL question in a Cowboys forum. It's impossible to think that wouldn't lead to Dak's place in the discussion being considered.

Frankly, though, he doesn't deserve to be in the conversation ... not yet and possibly not ever. The only Dallas quarterback with a seat at that table is Staubach.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

To be fair, you asked an NFL question in a Cowboys forum. It's impossible to think that wouldn't lead to Dak's place in the discussion being considered.

Frankly, though, he doesn't deserve to be in the conversation ... not yet and possibly not ever. The only Dallas quarterback with a seat at that table is Staubach.

I mean, this is literally the title of the thread "The goat, where does Prescott really rank".

Then the poster goes on to say it's not about Dak

 

[MyFairLady]

Dak will be lucky to make it to the playoffs as many times as Brady has made it to the superbowl. A Brady led team versus a Dak led team is like pride of Lions showing up to the watering hole at the same time as a herd of antelope.