A common complaint about Dak is he is horrible in the redzone

[Rockport]

My only real complaint with Dak is his contract. It should have been for less money and more years.

Agree. The Jones really screwed that up.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Wow, that's a new excuse. Well done

yah, I gave him credit for his creativity there. These trolls never cease to amaze with the nonsense they come up with.

 

[Typhus]

He certainly needs to improve inside the 20 no argument. But he’s done pretty good as far as TD’s which is my point.

Look behind while backing up, never know where that cliffs edge is.

 

[Rockport]

In 2019 he had 2 more Red Zone TD's than M. Trubiskey and the same as Jimmy G. and R. Fitzpatrick......so your point is that Dak is on the same level as those QB's?

And he also had more than Mahomes, Rogers and Brady.

 

[USArmyVet]

Look at how he ranks in TD’s inside the 20. Better than both Mahomes and Rogers.

You forgot to mention Mahomes missed 2 games in 2019 and the majority of his TD's (12) came from between the opponents 20-49 Yard Line. As for Rodgers, BOTH Dak and Rodgers had 16 TD's from inside the Red Zone and Rodgers had a higher Comp % so how is that Dak being better?

 

[CowboyRoy]

The thing Dak struggles with, and the reason why Moore is a bit handcuffed inside the ten, is highlighted by your post.

Sort those stats by, 'TD's inside the 10', and Dak is way down the list. I would bet a steak dinner that if you look at the specifics of the 7 TD passes he threw from inside the 10, most of them would be to Zeke who ran it in. A couple corner fades, maybe. Moore doesn't even call any passes to the middle area of the endzone. There is a reason why Moore ignores such a significant part of any offensive attack plan.

Your thread actually highlights the significant problem in Dak's game which absolutely holds the offense back in certain, often critical situations.

Hopefully this season is the year Dak shows some progress in those situations.

If you think Dak sucks in the redzone then I shutter as to what you think of Zeke in the redzone. OUCH!!!!

 

[Vtwin]

This is by far one of the dumbest arguments made. The "over the middle" thing. But I give you credit for be a very inventive troll.

Refute it.

To be clear. Show me the the TD throws, between the hashes from inside the ten. Hell, show me the attempts, even.

You can't do it.

 

[CowboyRoy]

You forgot to mention Mahomes missed 2 games in 2019 and the majority of his TD's (12) came from between the opponents 20-49 Yard Line. As for Rodgers, BOTH Dak and Rodgers had 16 TD's from inside the Red Zone and Rodgers had a higher Comp % so how is that Dak being better?

Hmmmm..............do you think Dak had any TD's between the opponents 20-49 YL? I wonder? Did any of those guys have more rushing TD's than Dak inside the 10? Hmmmm.............I wonder?

 

[USArmyVet]

42-27 hater. Next cherry pick stat?

@Reality More name calling rule violations....just saying.

 

[PAPPYDOG]

Refute it.

To be clear. Show me the the TD throws, between the hashes from inside the ten. Hell, show me the attempts, even.

You can't do it.

I think in 5 years there might be 1 TD pass inside the 10-yard line to Witten vs the Eagles.

 

[CowboyRoy]

Refute it.

To be clear. Show me the the TD throws, between the hashes from inside the ten. Hell, show me the attempts, even.

You can't do it.

No, actually I blew this laughable theory straight out of the water with a Dak completion chart.

This comment was destroyed a long time ago.

 

[Vtwin]

If you think Dak sucks in the redzone then I shutter as to what you think of Zeke in the redzone. OUCH!!!!

You really aren't even trying.

When defenses have no fear of defending between the hashes what are they going to focus on, Roy?

You clearly don't know football.

 

[USArmyVet]

I think your new name will be USCHERRYPICK.

@Reality Keeping you busy with reviews of rules violations as if I am not mistaken that is a benchable offense.

 

[Vtwin]

No, actually I blew this laughable theory straight out of the water with a Dak completion chart.

I laughed at you then and I will laugh at you now.

Your pretty chart did not contain even one pass that fit the criteria. Not one.

You ignored me the last time I pointed that out and I am certain you will ignore it this time.

You just don't know football.

 

[USArmyVet]

And he also had more than Mahomes, Rogers and Brady.

I see, so 16 isn't the same amount of Red Zone TD's in 2019 thrown by Dak and Rodgers? Check again. As for Mahomes and Brady, not even sure what your point is even bringing Dak's name up along Mahomes, Brady, and Rodgers as that is just a sad attempt at anointing Dak to some level he has not reached.

Then again, Dak threw LESS Red Zone TD's than Goff, Wentz, and Winston in 2019 so I guess that means those 3 QB's are much better than Dak, right?

 

[USArmyVet]

Hmmmm..............do you think Dak had any TD's between the opponents 20-49 YL? I wonder? Did any of those guys have more rushing TD's than Dak inside the 10? Hmmmm.............I wonder?

Yes, for his career he had 36 TD's between the opponent's 20-49 yard line and in 2019 he threw 11 TD's between the same yardage.

 

[TwoCentPlain]

Look at how he ranks in TD’s inside the 20. Better than both Mahomes and Rogers.

Stats - There are lies, dang lies, and stats.
Stats - What they reveal is nice but what they hide is vital.

You are just looking at the number of TDs. That is one way to judge but not the best way. Here is the link you want. This is team red zone TD efficiency.
https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/red-zone-scoring-pct?date=2020-02-03

1) That is the gold standard for the red zone. As you can see, the Cowboys under Dak ranked #16 in 2019, #26 in 2018, #7 in 2017, and #5 in 2016. In 2020, up until Prescott got hurt, the Cowboys were #8. The Cowboys ended the year at #29.

2) Even this stat - Red Zone TD Efficiency - can give some false positive data. Sometimes a team can look better in the red zone if the scores are during garbage time (not saying this is the case but it needs explored). Sometimes a team only needs to burn clock and play it safe and get a FG. That hurts the stat but is the right thing to do. Sometimes a team can just kneel down to end the game in the red zone and this hurts the stats. Helps to know context.

3) You are only looking at # of TDs in the red zone. You need to take into account times in the red zone. Shall we using your metric, the number of TDs in the red zone, for QB rushing stats (same link, different tab on the top of the page). It yields some interesting results for QBs rushing in 2019:

Allen, 21 attempts, 75 yards, 9 TDs
Fitz, 16 attempts, 46 yards, 4 TDs
Dak, 14 attempts, 46 yards, 3 TDs
Watson, 14 attempts, 38 yards, 6 TDs
Brady, 11 attempts, 8 yards, 3 TDs
Dalton, 7 attempts, 19 yards, 4 TDs

Care to analyze the above data using # of TDs for rushing QBs in the red zone? Yeah, didn't think so.

4) Thanks for the link, though. There is some good data there. For example, the Cowboys ran the ball around 76 times in the red zone and passed 61 times. Elliott had 59 carries, Pollard 2 carries, Austin 1 carry and Dak ran 14 times. Let that be some data for those that complain that the Cowboys don't run the ball often enough in the red zone.

 

[Rockport]

I see, so 16 isn't the same amount of Red Zone TD's in 2019 thrown by Dak and Rodgers? Check again. As for Mahomes and Brady, not even sure what your point is even bringing Dak's name up along Mahomes, Brady, and Rodgers as that is just a sad attempt at anointing Dak to some level he has not reached.

Then again, Dak threw LESS Red Zone TD's than Goff, Wentz, and Winston in 2019 so I guess that means those 3 QB's are much better than Dak, right?

My point is Dak had more than Brady, Rogers and Mahomes.

 

[CowboyoWales]

Is that he's horrible in the redzone. Look at these stats and who he's ahead of.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2019/redzone-passing.htm

Provocative Dak fan trolls himself.

You dont need to talk Dak down he is what he is and he gets paid accordingly

 

[jazzcat22]

It's because it isn't true

He has a solid ratio in the red zone (and deserves credit) but he has thrown several picks in there. Not sure where that zero comes from, but its not true.

In fact, he threw a crippling one vs Green Bay in a playoff game

This was from the 2019 season that 16-0 ratio. Not total. I thought about that afterwards, as the totals did not seem right, all seems low for all the QB's.