News: PFT: Cowboys should lift NDAs, allowing cheerleaders to tell their stories regarding voyeurism

[Bobhaze]

what you fail to see is that I defend the parties rights to work this out on their own. They did, so I am nobody to sit here and demand answers of anyone. Something you and many others cant do, because damn it... heads need to roll!

Reid, my problem with this situation is the Cowboys’ “internal investigation” that sewed this whole thing up.

An independent investigation done by professionals would have been the appropriate thing to do. Especially if they were intent on credibility. Internal investigations conducted by the accused don’t exactly give me confidence in their “findings”.

 

[plymkr]

I'm not saying I haven't.. but I try to stay away from it if I can. Like every other person on the planet I am imperfect... but I at least TRY to be a better person. Don't always succeed but if I see the masses doing something that I believe is wrong I am willing to depart from the herd. Take the Zeke suspension .. I was fine with Zeke being suspended a game or two for pulling up that girl's top or bumping that security guard (who totally flopped) in Vegas.. But I was not in favor of his being sacked for 6 games on the word of a chick who had already been shown to be willing to lie to the cops to try and keep claws in her meal ticket. (him.) Especially after the investigator employed by the very entity seeking to suspend him, the NFL, basically concluded the chick was lying about he crap that went on between her and Zeke. Not saying he was innocent or that something didn't happen.. just that the chief witness (her) was deemed to be a lying sack o excrement. It was not difficult for me to say Zeke did some stupid things, of which there was proof, and punishment was warranted. And then say that the other crap he was being accused of was not plausible and unsubstantiated by any credible proof.. so no punishment was justified. Not that Goodell cared what I thought.

Well if I remember correctly the woman Zeke had issues with recanted her story. Then when the NFL investigated she told the NFL investigator that she recanted. The investigator took the woman's story to Goodell and recommended that Zeke receive no punishment because the investigator felt Zeke didn't do anything. Then Goodell suspended him anyway. If I remember that right, if not someone please correct me.

So comparing the Rich situation to Zeke's situation is not a good one. I feel like a lot of people in this debate are focused on the wrong thing. It's not about the morality, actions or behavior of Rich. It's not about whether or not the cheerleaders are money grabbing or deserved to be looked at because of their outfits. That's all inappropriate to talk about anyway. The real issue is Jerry. This is Jerry and this is the reason we have sucked for so long. Jerry needs to assert himself as the unquestioned leader and set the tone for the franchise. So when Jerry allows this type of stuff to happen then it trickles down throughout the team. In 2015 Jerry should have come clean with what happened. In 2022 Jerry can still come clean with what happened but he's being silent. This is sending a message that bad behavior is tolerable in this organization. So we can't complain about Zeke pulling a woman's top down in a parade if Jerry allows his right hand man to go into the cheerleader's locker room.

Why do I feel strongly about this? 2 reasons, one is personal preference of how I wish we had an organization with a FO that doesn't do embarrassing crap. The 2nd is Zeke pulling the woman's top down while he was being investigated for the Ohio state thing did not do him any favors in the NFL's eyes. 2015 we have Jerry's right hand man going into the Cheerleader's dressing room, In 2017 Zeke pulls a woman's top down on national TV. Jerry was/is silent about both of those things. The looming Zeke suspension was a distraction and hurt us all 2017 and when he was suspended that cost us games. This behavior is costing us wins and losses on the field.

Jerry is the problem. Jerry allows bad behavior from his executives, coaches, and players and all of that is costing us on the field. I want Jerry to stand up and be a leader and model professional, ethical and sound judgement and start punishing guys that don't follow his lead. Jerry being silent about this then and now, especially now, shows Jerry does not value accountability. If Jerry doesn't value accountability from himself and his executives then don't expect accountability fro the coaches and players. And don't expect a winning program anytime soon.

 

[RonnieT24]

The fact you say the ones you “don’t respect are the ones who come out years later” shows me you’ve never been a victim of anything of this sort. It took me years of therapy to finally admit in public the things that happened to me as a kid. Typical victim blaming bull jive is all I see here.

Which as with most things reveals that you see what you want to see. Nobody is BLAMING the women for anything except trading their "honor" for money. I have repeatedly stated that I view what happens to kids different than I would if the same things happened to an adult. If a girl is abused as a teenager and is not strong enough to talk about until 10-15, 20 years later I can totally see that. If a woman is abused in her 20's or 30's I see that completely different. If someone can tell me that any of the women involved in this incident were minors I would change my stance. But again.. the accounts I read stated that ONE of these women "identified" Rich Dalrymple as the peeper. The others just went along. I also believe it was reported that the cell phone tracking supported his account that he was only in there for a few seconds and hauled arse out when the girls shouted "Hey we are in here!! Now maybe some other jackass saw Rich run out and snuck in through the cracked door so they could perv out. I don't know. And the undeniable fact is that none of us knows. Yet a bunch of people seem all too willing to act as judge and jury.. I say again, that should bother anybody who claims to be for justice in America. A lot of people who look like me have spent a lot of years in jail because of this sort of attitude. "Yeah he looks like he coulda done it.. lock him up. " Maybe that's why the whole rush to judgement thing bothers me so much..

 

[atlantacowboy]

Reid, my problem with this situation is the Cowboys’ “internal investigation” that sewed this whole thing up.

An independent investigation done by professionals would have been the appropriate thing to do. Especially if they were intent on credibility. Internal investigations conducted by the accused don’t exactly give me confidence in their “findings”.

The investigation is a moot point b/c a settlement was reached. The entire point of the settlement is to avoid publicity. So why in the world would Dallas blow this up into a big news story hiring an independent investigator when they could handle it internally?

It doesn't matter who knew what and when. The "victims" decided they would take about 85 years of cheerleading wages in a lump sum and spare themselves and the organization the embarrassment.

Just b/c its now a story doesn't change anything.

 

[Reid1boys]

Reid, my problem with this situation is the Cowboys’ “internal investigation” that sewed this whole thing up.

An independent investigation done by professionals would have been the appropriate thing to do. Especially if they were intent on credibility. Internal investigations conducted by the accused don’t exactly give me confidence in their “findings”.

You do realize this was supposedly one individual who walked into a locker room and was accused of watching females change? And possibly tape it with his phone? This was not some online hackers that stole 5 billion dollars. They needed outside investigators for this? Apparently the Cowboys said... ok, cheerleaders, we believe you. Here is 2.4 million dollars. Because we are an enormous business, wed prefer this not get out in public as it would be quite embarassing. So is 2.4 million dollars enough for you to keep this quiet? The 4 woman said YES, YES it is, I take cash or bitcoin. Here is my account number.

Cowboys said are we good here? The womans aid Yes, we are very good.

The perp was quietly sent packing in a way that kept the story quiet.

As I saw in a movie once... move along, nothing to see here.

I just dont understand why everyone cant see what happened here, and be done.
But like I said, people want heads to roll. It isn't enough that the two sides reached a settlement... nah, we need someone in prison for this heinous act!

 

[Reid1boys]

The investigation is a moot point b/c a settlement was reached. The entire point of the settlement is to avoid publicity. So why in the world would Dallas blow this up into a big news story hiring an independent investigator when they could handle it internally?

It doesn't matter who knew what and when. The "victims" decided they would take about 85 years of cheerleading wages in a lump sum and spare themselves and the organization the embarrassment.

Just b/c its now a story doesn't change anything.

BINGO! Thats it.. you've summed it up nicely. Story over, move along.

 

[Haimerej]

We've already heard Aikman confirm he "dated" some cheerleaders, which is 100% against the rules

Really? Why?

 

[G2]

The investigation is a moot point b/c a settlement was reached. The entire point of the settlement is to avoid publicity. So why in the world would Dallas blow this up into a big news story hiring an independent investigator when they could handle it internally?

It doesn't matter who knew what and when. The "victims" decided they would take about 85 years of cheerleading wages in a lump sum and spare themselves and the organization the embarrassment.

Just b/c its now a story doesn't change anything.

So you know how much each cheerleader is getting? How much is that?

 

[atlantacowboy]

Really? Why?

Its more of a cheerleader rule than a player rule. Players can't have their contracts terminated for dating cheerleaders, but cheerleaders can get dropped for dating players. I get it. The Dallas Cowboys Cheerleaders are a brand and they protect it with all kinds of rules promoting an outdated notion of virtue. I'm sure Jerry is fine with it b/c its less competition for him and his buddies.

 

[atlantacowboy]

So you know how much each cheerleader is getting? How much is that?

Its called "google". cheerleaders make $200-400 a game.

 

[G2]

Its called "google". cheerleaders make $200-400 a game.

You're not understanding me, how much did each cheerleader receive in a 'payout?"

 

[Bobhaze]

You do realize this was supposedly one individual who walked into a locker room and was accused of watching females change? And possibly tape it with his phone? This was not some online hackers that stole 5 billion dollars. They needed outside investigators for this? Apparently the Cowboys said... ok, cheerleaders, we believe you. Here is 2.4 million dollars. Because we are an enormous business, wed prefer this not get out in public as it would be quite embarassing. So is 2.4 million dollars enough for you to keep this quiet? The 4 woman said YES, YES it is, I take cash or bitcoin. Here is my account number.

Cowboys said are we good here? The womans aid Yes, we are very good.

The perp was quietly sent packing in a way that kept the story quiet.

As I saw in a movie once... move along, nothing to see here.

I just dont understand why everyone cant see what happened here, and be done.
But like I said, people want heads to roll. It isn't enough that the two sides reached a settlement... nah, we need someone in prison for this heinous act!

Two points:

• I never said I wanted “heads to roll”. I just wanted them to get to the truth. I think all healthy organizations would want to know what really happened. Get all the facts before shelling out a penny. Because they did an “in-house” investigation, it looks like they just wanted this to all to go away.

• It’s incorrect to say “the perp was quietly sent packing” because this incident happened in 2015. Dalrymple was allowed to work 6+ years after this happened. His retirement was quiet but he was not sent away after this happened. Would a healthy organization allow a guy who may have done these things to stay employed six years?

If my organization had some kind of accusation like this, I would want to know from an independent investigation what really happened before I shelled out $2.4 mil in settlement.

 

[CouchCoach]

Really? Why?

The rules were set up by Schramm and the first director when they formed the Cheerleaders. I think they could see some potential problems with them allowed to date and also with the image they wanted to project.

When they found out, Aikman didn't get cut, the cheerleaders did. I guess they both saw that as a reasonable risk and it's not like the cheerleaders last a high paying job. No big bucks for belly buttons.

 

[Bobhaze]

The investigation is a moot point b/c a settlement was reached. The entire point of the settlement is to avoid publicity. So why in the world would Dallas blow this up into a big news story hiring an independent investigator when they could handle it internally?

It doesn't matter who knew what and when. The "victims" decided they would take about 85 years of cheerleading wages in a lump sum and spare themselves and the organization the embarrassment.

Just b/c its now a story doesn't change anything.

That’s a fair point AC. But it does look bad if Dalrymple didn’t do any of this and they still wanted to “keep it all quiet”. Because Rich Dalrymple was allowed to continue working for the Cowboys, he’s either innocent and now because of the settlement looks guilty. Or he was was guilty as accused and still allowed to work there despite this kind of improper behavior. Either way, the way the organization chose to handle this makes them look really bad.

 

[CouchCoach]

Two points:

• I never said I wanted “heads to roll”. I just wanted them to get to the truth. I think all healthy organizations would want to know what really happened. Get all the facts before shelling out a penny. Because they did an “in-house” investigation, it looks like they just wanted this to all to go away.

• It’s incorrect to say “the perp was quietly sent packing” because this incident happened in 2015. Dalrymple was allowed to work 6+ years after this happened. His retirement was quiet but he was not sent away after this happened. Would a healthy organization allow a guy who may have done these things to stay employed six years?

If my organization had some kind of accusation like this, I would want to know from an independent investigation what really happened before I shelled out $2.4 mil in settlement.

That would depend on exactly what he knew about the extracurricular activities of his boss. If Dalrymple did these things, think he's not going to be a hole card player?

I think he, at least, pulled the dressing room caper and as long as only a few knew, no problem. That ESPN reporter blew on that ember and started the fire. This mysterious ex exec is our new reliable source. I missed our old reliable source. Only I am sure they're not the same, I think the son is the reliable source and the planter of the evil seeds.

Anyone that looks at how that entire family has treated Dalrymple's retirement and thinks there's nothing there is inhaling sand.

 

[Bobhaze]

That would depend on exactly what he knew about the extracurricular activities of his boss. If Dalrymple did these things, think he's not going to be a hole card player?

I think he, at least, pulled the dressing room caper and as long as only a few knew, no problem. That ESPN reporter blew on that ember and started the fire. This mysterious ex exec is our new reliable source. I missed our old reliable source. Only I am sure they're not the same, I think the son is the reliable source and the planter of the evil seeds.

Anyone that looks at how that entire family has treated Dalrymple's retirement and thinks there's nothing there is inhaling sand.

It appears that JJ was counting on this story never seeing the light of day. The fact that Dalrymple was allowed to continue working there for years after allegedly doing upskirt photos of his daughter, plus the cheerleader locker room imbroglio tells me something else is afoul here. They could have quietly fired Dalrymple a few months after it happened. The fact they didn’t is what really perplexes me.

 

[MajesticRey]

Why are people treating this like if there’s some crazy conspiracy that needs to be unearthed for drama’s sake?

Dalrymple was caught snapping a few creepy pics of cheerleaders and the cheerleaders were ADEQUATELY compensated!! They CHOSE to settle and not pursue charges. No one held a gun to their heads and forced them to accept a handsome sum of $500K each.

Just DROP this, it’s not a big deal.

 

[DandyDon52]

what I dont get is why is synder being investigated by nfl, for similar things, but jerry isnt ??

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Has anyone here asked to see evidence yet?


Oh stop! I'm kidding!

(I know.....its serious for the victims....personal invasion in what should be a safe environment. )

 

[CouchCoach]

It appears that JJ was counting on this story never seeing the light of day. The fact that Dalrymple was allowed to continue working there for years after allegedly doing upskirt photos of his daughter, plus the cheerleader locker room imbroglio tells me something else is afoul here. They could have quietly fired Dalrymple a few months after it happened. The fact they didn’t is what really perplexes me.

I don't know how the sports world's big mouth "quietly" fires the PR guy and the liaison to the media.