Kyler Murray not expect to play w/o a new deal

[Rayman70]

They might trade him during draft day. This is wrth watching.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

I force him to play or he accepts a contract that’s more money but low because it’s not his turn. You extend a guy when he is on his final year or you risk free agency, but there’s no reason to give him his big money after a couple years. If he sits, he gets no pay, and he gets no closer to free agency. The sooner you give him the huge guaranteed money, the sooner he owns your butt.

No question I see what you're saying but keep in the power/impact QBs have over teams' W/L and locker room. If you force the issue, he'll simply sit out ex number of weeks where he won't lose his free-agent credit, then report. Hell, the season is probably down the drain by then. I'm simply saying if they don't want to pay him now then trade him.

 

[john van brocklin]

Exactly.......coz if he's serious, this can only end two ways, pay him or trade him. IF they try and force him to play, at some point the whole issue becomes cancer to the team/locker room.

Sorry to see this...

 

[Nexx]

Dak for Murray... make it happen!

 

[ghst187]

Arizona would be smart to trade him, there is already bad blood between them.

yes this plus Murray isn’t ever taking that team anywhere

 

[Captain-Crash]

Dak for Murray... make it happen!

dak for the armless man...make it happen.

 

[Flamma]

Time for the Cards F.O. to swaller their pride and pay the man. Who are they going to get that's better? Much like the the mistake Jerry made with Dak, they should have extended K.M. last year. Or they can wait until the QB market hits $50M/Year.

The couldn't extend Kyler last year. Rules.

 

[Flamma]

Yup, the QB market is unforgiving. Just because you pay for one doesn't guarantee you anything, but your odds of winning go up significantly with a good one.

Yes the odds of winning go up dramatically. But the odds of winning a championship doesn't. I can understand owners willing to sign mediocre to good QBs, because even though they probably won't win the Super Bowl, they stay relevant. Maybe be a consistent playoff team. That's enough for owners. What I can't understand are fans that have that same mentality.

 

[Typhus]

LOL.....they have a mess on their hands coz this kid has baseball options. This fact he's threatening to sit out.......man, this could get ugly, real fast. Then again, maybe he's trying to force his way out.

Baby Dak

 

[Flamma]

I force him to play or he accepts a contract that’s more money but low because it’s not his turn. You extend a guy when he is on his final year or you risk free agency, but there’s no reason to give him his big money after a couple years. If he sits, he gets no pay, and he gets no closer to free agency. The sooner you give him the huge guaranteed money, the sooner he owns your butt.

It is his turn. He's played 3 years. Mahomes, Allen, Watson, all got extensions after 3 years. Herbert and Burrow will get theirs next year. The 5th year option plays no role.

Other than that I agree with you.

 

[Flamma]

No question I see what you're saying but keep in the power/impact QBs have over teams' W/L and locker room. If you force the issue, he'll simply sit out ex number of weeks where he won't lose his free-agent credit, then report. Hell, the season is probably down the drain by then. I'm simply saying if they don't want to pay him now then trade him.

The new CBA changed a lot about holding out. I know it's a lot harder to do now.

 

[Typhus]

So wild that teams are being held hostage by QB's that are just quite good enough to WIN IT while not being able to carry a team, but carrying a team is also a myth.
It is the way of the world now in the NFL.
Get a good one and you keep him. Might not be Great, but good is enough now.

Nothing wierd about it when you see marginal QBs in this game getting one huge deal after the next.
Its just follow the leader and the agents spend every extra dime that the salary cap increases.

 

[Jfconrow]

I love it. Personally I don’t like these rookie contracts they should be 2 years. Kyler should get 250m guaranteed. Otherwise pull a TO show up and do nothing bat the ball down when someone throws it to you.

 

[Flamma]

Some of these players today, the act like women with attitude. Kyle, wipes all references of the cards on social media to send a message. That's like the silent treatment.

Then you got Mayfield whining like a little female dog. Wentz got his feelings hurt. What the hell is going on? A spike in estrogen levels?

 

[JohnnyTheFox]

 

[DandyDon52]

I love it. Personally I don’t like these rookie contracts they should be 2 years.

They should be shorter, 2 years is about right, 3 at most.
But they should also be lower and the same for all rounds.

The pay should be set up to escalate if they start games, or play x # of plays per game, regardless of how they play.

So if a 4th round rookie like dak winds up starting every game , his pay for the year goes way up, again regardless of whether they win those games.

The way it is now guys like dak and others get screwed pay wise, if they play a lot.

Even a guy like kyler, it is wrong to expect him to play 4-5 years as a starter for 5 mil a year. and if he was a lower round pick he would make much less, like dak.

I think guys who dont play, or play just a little, 500k a year is good for that.

What if kyler got hurt in first game in first season, and is out the rest of the year, is it fair for the team to pay him 5 mil for that? No it isnt, so there should be a scale
for injured players too.

 

[DandyDon52]

now on kyler, I dont think he is worth a big contract, so Arizona should be trying to trade him. get a 1 and try to draft someone new.
But at same time, I think he as a starter, deserves more than what he is getting.

The thing is he probably wants too much, so if they dont think he is worth that, they should trade him.

He did beat dak, in Dak's home stadium, so is he better than dak?? lol possibly, so who knows, it is up to arizona to determine his worth to their team.

 

[OriginalNameGuy]

He's too injury prone and always fizzles out end of season. Arizona will cave though

 

[Section446]

He's one of the few QB's in the league that isn't as good as Dak.

 

[Jfconrow]

They should be shorter, 2 years is about right, 3 at most.
But they should also be lower and the same for all rounds.

The pay should be set up to escalate if they start games, or play x # of plays per game, regardless of how they play.

So if a 4th round rookie like dak winds up starting every game , his pay for the year goes way up, again regardless of whether they win those games.

The way it is now guys like dak and others get screwed pay wise, if they play a lot.

Even a guy like kyler, it is wrong to expect him to play 4-5 years as a starter for 5 mil a year. and if he was a lower round pick he would make much less, like dak.

I think guys who dont play, or play just a little, 500k a year is good for that.

What if kyler got hurt in first game in first season, and is out the rest of the year, is it fair for the team to pay him 5 mil for that? No it isnt, so there should be a scale
for injured players too.

Yea I think the same thing. I also go back and forth on the idea of it doesn’t matter what position you play. You could base the pay on something like snap count or team wins. This is just for the rookie contracts because the whole thing is an anti trust violation without the nflpa agreeing to it.