Browns could void Watson contract with 24th case

[Flamma]

The nfl is not a normal employer
You can’t decide to just change companies
And you have very short careers
If someone filed a lawsuit against Parsons tomorrow do you think the league should suspend him?
How about the league let’s it play out and see if a guy is found to have done anything before you suspend them
Lots of lawsuits go no where and lots a criminal cases go nowhere. Suspending a player before anything is proven against him is just wrong and it’s a power they shouldn’t have. The avg employer who sent you home without pay could be sued for wrongful termination if you are found innocent and they’d have to pay you Atleast unemployment
Watson got paid last year but suspended players don’t get paid so they should have some rights
I’m not saying the league can’t suspend him but they shouldn’t just like they shouldn’t suspend other players for say a DUI if they are not found guilty

It doesn't really matter what kind of employer you are. The NFL doesn't have to care about due process, just how their employee affects them. As we've seen, the NFL can just come to their own conclusion of guilt, and suspend accordingly. These women accused him, and we believe the women. That's all they have to say.

 

[Flamma]

Employees get fired for conduct detrimental to the business all the time. It's not the same, but then again it is.

I actually don't understand why you don't think any player should be punished unless it's a crime.

People do this all the time with freedom of speech issues. Same kind of confusion.

 

[Flamma]

I'm pretty sure this one even blindsided his lawyers.

So, there might be an out for the Browns if Watson withheld information regarding possible other potential future lawsuits. If his lawyers didn't know about this one then you know the Browns didn't.

That's what makes this 24th one different from the other 23.

But we all know this isn't the case. Or it doesn't matter in this case. This also absolutely did not blindside his lawyers. He had 23 accusers. Everyone knows he had massages by more than 23 women. He himself said as much. Watson cannot guarantee that none of the other women will come forward. No one can guarantee that. His lawyers know this. A 24th came out. If there is more, there could be more.

 

[darthseinfeld]

Stupid. I don't know why they would give up so much for a QB that's in limbo. Makes you actually appreciate the Cowboy organization more and that's hard to do.

And alot of other teams lost out on him. Just goes to show how much value there is in the QB position

 

[conner01]

It doesn't really matter what kind of employer you are. The NFL doesn't have to care about due process, just how their employee affects them. As we've seen, the NFL can just come to their own conclusion of guilt, and suspend accordingly. These women accused him, and we believe the women. That's all they have to say.

They can do what they want to
But that doesn’t make it right and eventually it’s gonna cost them when a player decides to stand up to them

 

[conner01]

Employees get fired for conduct detrimental to the business all the time. It's not the same, but then again it is.

I actually don't understand why you don't think any player should be punished unless it's a crime.

Conduct detrimental is very vague intentionally so they can do what they want to do
But they’ve punished players for things where the player did nothing wrong in the past and they will again
Should a player lose millions of dollars because someone makes up a story about them? min this case I don’t think 24 women made up this story and they actually have let this one play out and haven’t punished him at all yet and that’s the way it should be
That hasn’t always been the case
And in some cases players who actually did do something wrong were never punished
If someone working for you harms your business you can fire them but without some due process you will allow anyone to make up a story and you punish a guy when he did nothing wrong
It’s cost the league for punishing a guy for doing nothing wrong before
It appears they may have learned from that and are letting this play out thru the legal process
The NFL has a much bigger problem they should be concerned about in their ownership right now
You can’t punish the player for doing the same thing an owner does and not punish the owner

 

[conner01]

Players think they are above the rules. It's a sickness. Deshaun took it to extremes. . The man has demons clearly that need attention. NFL has a big Deshaun problem.

So do many of the owners and they aren’t young kids

 

[kskboys]

Conduct detrimental is very vague intentionally so they can do what they want to do
But they’ve punished players for things where the player did nothing wrong in the past and they will again
Should a player lose millions of dollars because someone makes up a story about them? min this case I don’t think 24 women made up this story and they actually have let this one play out and haven’t punished him at all yet and that’s the way it should be
That hasn’t always been the case
And in some cases players who actually did do something wrong were never punished
If someone working for you harms your business you can fire them but without some due process you will allow anyone to make up a story and you punish a guy when he did nothing wrong
It’s cost the league for punishing a guy for doing nothing wrong before
It appears they may have learned from that and are letting this play out thru the legal process
The NFL has a much bigger problem they should be concerned about in their ownership right now
You can’t punish the player for doing the same thing an owner does and not punish the owner

In a perfect world, maybe.

 

[Flamma]

They can do what they want to
But that doesn’t make it right and eventually it’s gonna cost them when a player decides to stand up to them

Aah, that would be messy, but very interesting. You know how things work with unions, right? Before you can take anything to court, you have to go through the union first. Then take it to court if you fail there. As you probably already know, courts don't usually overturn arbitration. Probably wouldn't take the case because they see it as already settled in accordance to the CBA. The CBA he signed. Don't bring up Gruden, he's not in a union and didn't sign any CBA.

 

[joseephuss]

Bro none had enough evidence and were dropped, innocent until proven guilty. You don't fund it suspicious that this last chick decided to say something NOW

When were the lawsuits dropped?

 

[Flamma]

Conduct detrimental is very vague intentionally so they can do what they want to do
But they’ve punished players for things where the player did nothing wrong in the past and they will again
Should a player lose millions of dollars because someone makes up a story about them? min this case I don’t think 24 women made up this story and they actually have let this one play out and haven’t punished him at all yet and that’s the way it should be
That hasn’t always been the case
And in some cases players who actually did do something wrong were never punished
If someone working for you harms your business you can fire them but without some due process you will allow anyone to make up a story and you punish a guy when he did nothing wrong
It’s cost the league for punishing a guy for doing nothing wrong before
It appears they may have learned from that and are letting this play out thru the legal process
The NFL has a much bigger problem they should be concerned about in their ownership right now
You can’t punish the player for doing the same thing an owner does and not punish the owner

Yes, but typically the owners aren't the face of the league. The players are. People come to see the players, not the owners. So the league doesn't have to treat the two fairly.

Again, try to remember they're in a union. These rules, like conduct detrimental, and how they settle them, are all signed off, and given the thumbs up by the members of the union. They all voted.

 

[Rayman70]

So do many of the owners and they aren’t young kids

like it or not, they have every right under the rules 2 enforce said rules. No 1 player should be above those rules of conduct. DW conducted himself as a sexual predator and that MUST be weighed. All 24 and counting, of these vics, arent lying. They all seem 2 tell a similar tale. Just because he might be good at Football doesn't give him a free pass. YES these owners are not saints by a long shot, but lets not deflect here. They cut the checks and employ said player. The tail shouldn't wag the dog. He aint playing a snap this year. At best, he gets a 8 week suspension. Browns screwed the pooch.

 

[Rayman70]

Yes, but typically the owners aren't the face of the league. The players are. People come to see the players, not the owners. So the league doesn't have to treat the two fairly.

Again, try to remember they're in a union. These rules, like conduct detrimental, and how they settle them, are all signed off, and given the thumbs up by the members of the union. They all voted.

^this^.

 

[Rayman70]

When were the lawsuits dropped?

exactly. They werent. More are incoming as well. I think when its all said and done, we may see closer to 30-40 civil suits..if not more criminal suits. Browns stepped in it.

 

[Flamma]

Isn't this typical of the Browns and their QB situation over the years? Even if the Browns can void his contract, they still lose the three first rounders and the 45M dollar signing bonus. Unless there's language in the contract regarding that.

I think the Browns biggest mistake was assuming this would be settled before the season started, and no more than 1 year. That still may be the case. But if more keep coming......

 

[blueblood70]

A 1st offense?

There's 24 cases against him.

its one large issue its not criminal as of now so they will look at it as 1st offense..i mean why has it taken so long. if it were looked at as 24 separate issues he would have got lifetime ban. We are talking a private civil company ie the NFL not the criminal law system. If this were so bad why was he not arrested , charged etc hasnt the Houston area attorneys decided to not even send this to a grand jury?

so far facts are facts accuser's vs accused in civil matter and Watsons employers will make decision to act and im betting its still a first offense. i mean aren't these civil suits all ONE ie like a class action type deal ?

 

[Flamma]

When were the lawsuits dropped?

Yeah, just 6 hours ago, didn't you hear? The judge said, It's done!

 

[blueblood70]

What time served? He was being paid all of last year. When you don't go to work and still get paid, that's called vacation. But how much time he gets, that's anybody's guess.

he dint play that's like being suspended..hius team suspended him by not playing him without any criminal or civil suits being finished., that lie time served he didn't play..

 

[Flamma]

its one large issue its not criminal as of now so they will look at it as 1st offense..i mean why has it taken so long. if it were looked at as 24 separate issues he would have got lifetime ban. We are talking a private civil company ie the NFL not the criminal law system. If this were so bad why was he not arrested , charged etc hasnt the Houston area attorneys decided to not even send this to a grand jury?

so far facts are facts accuser's vs accused in civil matter and Watsons employers will make decision to act and im betting its still a first offense. i mean aren't these civil suits all ONE ie like a class action type deal ?

Who knows how the NFL will handle it. He wasn't charged criminally because there wasn't enough evidence to do so. But in a civil suit, you don't need beyond a reasonable doubt. All you need is probably. But I think you're right. The league will treat it as a first offense with multiple cases.

I find it hard to believe the Browns ownership didn't get some assurances from the league on the max possible suspension. The problem is, new cases can change things.

 

[Flamma]

he dint play that's like being suspended..hius team suspended him by not playing him without any criminal or civil suits being finished., that lie time served he didn't play..

He got paid. Everyone here would love paid leave.