Does Aikman win a SB with any team from Parcells forward?

Diehardblues

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Yah, this is laughable to me. I know Jimmy said this as well, but I saw no evidence of it. NO way in hell could Aikman have led the NFL in passing. He threw a highly accurate short to mid range laser, but he was NOT a high end deep ball passer. When he had to loft the ball up he wasnt close to as accurate.
True but I imagine most great passers aren’t as accurate on deep ball as shorter routes. I’ve never heard Troy deep ball being criticized. Maybe I missed that .

This is beginning to sound like an attempt to bash Troy in order to uplift Tony and Dak.
 

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If Troy could have survived until 2014 that was a great OL and could have dominated on offense. Probably closer to a championship caliber offense we have had this era. And Romo’s most effective season .

Could Troy have done a little more with it? It’s arguable but I argued back then I thought a Rodgers could have possibly done more.
fair enough. all I'll say is Dallas hasn't had a super star QB since Roger left.

Good ones? Yes . Dak is a good one, he just needs a lot of help.
 

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fair enough. all I'll say is Dallas hasn't had a super star QB since Roger left.
Reality is HOF inductions better define greatness or best of an era than fans can. The rest is speculative.

Fortunately great players can also be recognized on lesser teams if their performance is best or near the best in the league .

In the end Troy made the most of his opportunities on great teams . He played his best on the biggest stages. And Impact is also prerequisite for induction.
 

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Reality is HOF inductions better define greatness or best of an era than fans can. The rest is speculative.

Fortunately great players can also be recognized on lesser teams if their performance is best or near the best in the league .

In the end Troy made the most of his opportunities on great teams . He played his best on the biggest stages. And Impact is also prerequisite for induction.
"He played his best on the biggest stages"

very true.
 

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"He played his best on the biggest stages"

very true.
The championship game we lost with Troy we turned it over 3 times in 1st qtr getting down 21-0. We made a miraculous comeback which most defined as heart of a champion but against another great championship caliber team came up short .

I was never prouder of that team in 90’s era . We showed everyone what we were made of . But it also illustrates how well he played or rose up in other championship runs . It makes a difference .

He didnt have one of his best games on the biggest stage at least early on in 94 championship game and it cost us a better chance at a 3 peat.
 

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Dallas was 1-4 on the road in the playoffs in the Aikman era.

The home field was important. I know, that's obvious, but just sayin

The stats in losses

11-16, 114 yards, 0 TDs, 1 int, 63.0 rating
30-53, 380 yards, 2 TDs, 1 int, 93 rating (the comeback attenpt game...solid)
18-36, 185 yards, 1 TD, 3 ints, 37.4 rating (yikes)
22-38, 286 yards, 0 TD, 1 int, 70,7 rating

so 3 TDs, 6 ints in those 4 road losses. Except for one game, we needed home field.

I'm an Aikman fan, but he WAS surrounded by an amazing team and HOF coaching staff
 
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I know for sure you can never compare QB ratings and stats in general across eras...it's really silly.
But here are his stats for ALL playoff games

Aikman (hardest era)__58 comp%, 23 TDs, 17 ints, 88 QB rating (very good for that era)
Romo (easier era)__ 62 comp %, 8 TDs, 2 ints, 93 QB rating (very good in any era)
Prescott (even easier era)__61% comp rate, 6 TDs, 3 ints, 87.9 rating (not as good, but not awful)
 

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I dont think so. Brady was savvy in the pocket and could move around. I highly doubt Aikman can put up close to those 5000 yard 50 TD seasons. Aikman was a statue. Without a top flight Oline he was cooked. That game against SF where we were down by 21 in the first quarter highlighted Aikmans limitations. Threw 1 TD and 3 picks that game and they werent pretty. Couldnt pull it out without Emmitt or throwing 50 times.
  • The NFL was not dominated by the passing game back then.
    • Marino's highest completions per game in a season was 24.
    • Montana's highest completions per game in a season was 20.
  • If you were under 18 in Jan 1995, then you probably don't really know that happened in the 94 season NFL championship game.
  • Overview
    • Aikman broke the NFC Championship Passing Yards record. Even now it ranks 4th.
      • The 3 above it are between 1 and 2 decades later during the 'passing league' era.
    • They were down 21-0 by the middle of the 1st quarter.
      • The remainder of the game they outscored the Niners 28-17 to end up at 38-28.
      • What they did in that attempted comeback showed the greatness of Aikman.
  • Pressure
    • The Niners had a great defense in 1994.
    • Blocking Problems
      • Rookie Larry Allen was playing RT because of Erik Williams car accident mid-season.
        • LA had injured his ankle the previous week the Division round 35-9 win over the Packers.
        • In the Niners game LA could only move forward. His ability to move laterally was near zero.
        • They end up having to help block with Moose or a TE.
      • Tuinei had played through injuries that season and struggled at LT in the extreme muddy conditions.
    • Summary:
      • Aikman was getting hammered on all passing plays.
      • It was just a question of if it happened before or after the pass.
      • Aikman had 3 INTs but only 1 was 'on him'.
  • Turnovers
    • INT 1: (Q1)
      • WR Kevin Williams had the ball in his hands, but the DB out-muscled him and took it away.
    • Fumble 1: (Q1)
      • Aikman hits Irvin for 16 yards, then Irvin fumbles.
      • Niners get the ball with 39 yards need to score.
    • Fumble 2: (Q1)
      • Kevin Williams fumbles on a Kick return.
      • Niners need only 30 yards to score.
    • INT 2: (End Q2)
      • Hail Mary type pass with 3 seconds remaining in the 1st half.
    • INT 3: (Q3)
      • Down 38-21 in the 3rd quarter, it was time to take chances.
      • With an unblocked pass rusher within a few inches coming at him, Aikman throws ~35 yards down field.
      • Deion (debatably) pushed off Irvin and made the INT.
  • Niners Defense
    • DLine
      • Bryant Young: 4x Pro Bowler
      • Dana Stubblefield: 3x Pro Bowler, 1997 Defensive POY
      • Dennis Brown
      • Rickey Jackson: HOF
    • Linebacker
      • Ken Norton: 3x Pro Bowler
      • Lee Woodall: 2x Pro Bowler
      • Gary Plummer: 12 year career
    • Defensive Backs
      • Deion Sanders: HOF
      • Eric Davis: 2x Pro Bowler
      • Tim McDonald: 6x Pro Bowler
      • Merton Hanks: 4x Pro Bowler
    • Backup Rotational DLinemen
      • Richard Dent: HOF
      • Charles Mann: 2x All-Pro
 

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Id say they might win more playoff games those years.
But win the whole thing is a huge reach
I don't know. That 2007 team was stacked and the Patriots were vulnerable as the Giants showed. That team did have a huge leadership deficit however, with Cupcake and Garrett. I don't think Aikman goes to Cabo and his leadership holds the team together to at least get a rematch with the Pats. The unknown would have been how Aikman handled TO, but he was still fairly quiet in 2007.

In 2016, we got HFA throughout the playoffs with a rookie QB. I doubt Aikman would have wasted that opportunity falling behind to the Packers like we did. He wins that game and a home NFC Championship game at least.
 

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Hard to tell he had a great team in the 90s perhaps one of the best ever

but put him behind some of Romo and Daks teams and under Garrett and I’m not sure

one things for sure neither Dak nor Romo had the fortitude to get into that *** like Troy he and Irvin both were fiery leaders and that’s a trait that we could have used post parcells
 

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I’d pay money to see how the Aikman/TO dynamic worked out. Aikman had a way of winning his teammates over because he always had their back. You won’t see Aikman going to Cabo with Witten either. And he probably gets in Larry Allen’s grill in his later lazier years just as much as Parcells. Aikman was never afraid to hold his teammates accountable, including the defense.
 

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Always have to remember competition is 50% about you, and 50% about who your opponent is.

in 2016 the GB team that beat you got blown off the face of the earth in the NFCCG by one of the greatest offenses in nfl history. And even then, Atlanta still couldn’t win the SB over an even better team in Brady and Belichick.

Aikman doesn’t fix the offensive playcalling, Garrett’s poor situational football, or Marinelli’s defensive shortcomings. No one was coming out of the NFC that year but Atlanta.
Disagree. ATL was a better team, but horrific playcalling did them in.
 

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Yah, this is laughable to me. I know Jimmy said this as well, but I saw no evidence of it. NO way in hell could Aikman have led the NFL in passing. He threw a highly accurate short to mid range laser, but he was NOT a high end deep ball passer. When he had to loft the ball up he wasnt close to as accurate.
Yeah, it was just weird. Troy could throw a 40-50 yd frickin' laser, but his deep ball was not great.
 

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Lets assume its not even a conversation with the teams from after the 90's up to Parcells. But do any of you feel that Aikman would have won a SB with the teams of Parcells, Wade, Garrett, MM?

:popcorn:

Maybe with the team that Parcells built in 2006 or 2007, if we're talking about a seasoned Aikman. I look back on those years and while Romo was very exciting to watch, he wasn't as good as he was the last few years of his career. The 1992-95 Aikman might have been enough to get those teams over the hump.

I think that would have been the best shot. In the years that followed we had differing problems that would have held the team back, but mostly defense. The defense was much better last year, so maybe he could have made the difference then as well. I think the 2011, 2014 and 2016 teams had too many defensive deficiencies to get much further than they did.
 
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