Video: Undisputed - "There's no way Dak Prescott is a Top 10 QB!

[kskboys]

I agree.

It's still mindboggling that Dak won OROY over Zeke that year.

Especially since he clearly had numbers that were quite bus driverish. 23 TD's passing in today's NFL often gets you benched.

 

[G2]

I'm not looking at stats.

Man, Herbert and Burrow are studs. I've watched them, listened to experts, read what the experts have to say, all that. Dak is not on their level. They are the next great wave, and there's really no doubt.

Well you should factor in everything. Herbert has a canon and looks to be like Allen, but it's been one season and he didn't go far. I'm on the fence with Burrow, again I'd like to see a couple years in the NFL.

 

[PAPPYDOG]

Would say he's right around the 10th best give or take a few spots either way.
Real issue is he's being paid to be elite.

The real issue and most damaging is that we just wasted a talent pool that with an Elite QB could have won Superbowl # 6 esp in 2016.
The paycheck only concerns me as sooner or later the cap hit will come home and make our odds of building a champion literally impossible.
Now let's get busy building another Dallas wall as this one has aged and find another Zeke so our Tier 3 QB can maybe win another playoff game......

 

[G2]

Especially since he clearly had numbers that were quite bus driverish. 23 TD's passing in today's NFL often gets you benched.

I thought you didn't look at the numbers, lol.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Their RB didn't lead the NFL in rushing by over 300 yards in 2015 either because that RB was not on the team yet.

Zeke was the difference from 2015 to 2016. I promise Dak being 16th in TD passes and 19th in passing yards wasn't the difference in the 2015 and 2016 teams.

2016 we went 13-3 and you admittingly are saying that he is a much better QB now, but wasn't asked to do as much in 2016, right?.

So, you're saying that we are clearly a better team the less Dak is asked to do, correct? The record says so, right?

If that's the case then why would anyone claim he's some kind of top QB? If the team does better when he's asked to do less?

I’m not saying McFadden was Zeke but he had 1k yards and didn’t even get touched until Randle was cut…..

And yes the less a quarterback throws the football the better for the team.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

Especially since he clearly had numbers that were quite bus driverish. 23 TD's passing in today's NFL often gets you benched.

Zeke was the best player in the NFL at his position in 2016.

The kid won the rushing title by over 300 yards for crying out loud.

 

[kskboys]

Recency bias my ***, Im not one of these young dudes who grew up watching basketball games on xbox. Growing up in DC my father used to take us to see the Bullets play in the Capitol Centre in the late 70s on into the 80s. So I've been fortunate enough to have watched many greats first hand.

With that said, Kobe would be great in ANY era of the NBA. If he's not in the top ten of greatest players ever, name YOUR top ten and tell me how many of them would be the greatest in ANY era, decade, etc like Kobe would.

No problem:

MJ
Magic
Olajuwan
Abdul-Jabbar
Larry Bird

Wilt Chamberlin
Bill Russell
Tim Duncan
Shaq
Moses Malone

Elgin Baylor
Julius Erving
Karl Malone
Oscar Robertson
Steph Curry

Lebron
Kevin Garnett

In no particular order, and any one of them would be great in any era. Bryant would've been benched in the 80's for refusing to play D.

 

[kskboys]

Matt Ryan , that Ryan - you're really not serious are you?

David Carr is debatable at best.

Ryan is a stud. You're not really serious, are you?

Apparently you haven't been paying attention to Carr, he's entered top 5-8 convo. Model of consistency.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

I’m not saying McFadden was Zeke but he had 1k yards and didn’t even get touched until Randle was cut…..

And yes the less a quarterback throws the football the better for the team.

Zeke had 600 more rushing yards and 12 more rushing TDs in 2016 than McFadden had in 2015.

Zeke was the difference from 2015 to 2016 more so than anyone else and it's not even close.

 

[kskboys]

With all that said, they both only had ONE playoff win after 5 full seasons just like Dak, and Dak was a 4th round draft pick. So he should atleast get a little more respect from his own fanbase. They were able to turn it around after 5 or 6 seasons, so let Dak have his chance. He's either going get better or not, but the man deserves a chance.

None of you put that "where a quarterback should be" timeline on those other quarterbacks I've mentioned with the same stats, if not lesser than Dak's at this point in their careers, so Dak deserves the same respect.

You should prolly get away from the stats thing. Comparing stats from one era to another is a lesson in futility. Using that barometer, Phillip Rives is the 6th best QB of all time, and Matt Ryan is will be top 5 if he plays another 2 seasons.

The playoff thingie is for casual fans who can't rate players.

 

[kskboys]

Well you should factor in everything. Herbert has a canon and looks to be like Allen, but it's been one season and he didn't go far. I'm on the fence with Burrow, again I'd like to see a couple years in the NFL.

You need to watch Burrow. The fence has been taken down and plowed under.

Herbert was one terrible coaching decision away from the playoffs, and that w/ a D that could not stop the run. You simply cannot accurately rate QB's using those parameters.

 

[G2]

You need to watch Burrow. The fence has been taken down and plowed under.

Herbert was one terrible coaching decision away from the playoffs, and that w/ a D that could not stop the run. You simply cannot accurately rate QB's using those parameters.

Lol

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

In some ways that is true but in others it isn't. He played loose and calm in 2016. Since mid 2017, he has played tight, overly conservative and quite frankly scared because he got exposed as not being as accurate as he needs to be.

If he could regain that confidence and calmness to go along with what he has learned, then we would be talking about a whole different animal.

Well 2017 for sure. It was his worst year of his career. Mind you in 2017 he started off better than he did 2016….when Tyron and Zeke were no longer available the coaching staff lost its mind as well.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

The one important thing that Dakota had was the nfls best offensive line which allowed him to learn the game at a slower speed. Most rookie qbs in their first season don’t have that luxury, and I’m glad he had that.

I believe there’s been improvement in Rayne ability to read and recognize, and release throws quicker,which has allowed him to compensate for less time before the pocket breaks down…..should be able to go deeper in the playoffs with an improved rushing game and an improving defense

Yeah but didn’t Cassell and Weeden have a great line in 2015?

 

[ShortRound]

We say top ten like that’s enough. That’s barely making the playoffs on QB play.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

You need to watch Burrow. The fence has been taken down and plowed under.

Herbert was one terrible coaching decision away from the playoffs, and that w/ a D that could not stop the run. You simply cannot accurately rate QB's using those parameters.

Burrow was great last season but his playoff run was nothing to brag about.

 

[blueblood70]

So players and executives from around the league who eat, sleep, breathe, and live professional football says Dak is ranked 10th....

The latest official NFL statisticians rank Dak in the top 10 based on performance and production by adding up the numbers, not by opinion....


But then you have football forum casuals who say Dak isn't, despite the opinions from professionals and the real life production results..... yeah ok.

Shannon Sharpe is a Cowboys hater but he's definitely entitled to his opinion.... but this is the same dude who said LeBron is the G.O.A.T. over MJ and he didn’t put Kobe Bryant or was it KD in the top 10 all time greatest players list??? Yeah ok....

numbers are ALL top 7 so 10 is easy to agree with. But really who cares. We are team NOT in need of a franchise qb, we have one.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

We say top ten like that’s enough. That’s barely making the playoffs on QB play.

It’s not enough but typically those guys in the top 10 make the post season every year.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

We say top ten like that’s enough. That’s barely making the playoffs on QB play.

That's my thing.

The 10th best QB needs A LOT of help.

 

[blueblood70]

Not a Dak believer but to argue that he is not in the top 10 in the league right now is kinda silly. There is not a coherent argument for those guys from 11-32 that they are better than Dak. Now, they could be if you put them in different circumstances but no proof of being better!

yes And vice versa put Dak on the rams or even say the chiefs, hes top 5 easy,,