Tough to knock Dak's contract now

[Diehardblues]

Can’t “knock the contract” of an overpaid mediocre player who has delivered nothing in years?

Sure

Perhaps from an owner of a franchise eyes we need to define what delivers means? I’d suggest it’s not an all or nothing proposal.

The fact a Franchise QB who is good enough to help propel his team to the playoffs and help keep a competitive status not only keeps an interest from the fans but butts in the seats, merchandise selling and sponsors supporting which is all part of the business of football.

Winning championships is of course the ultimate goal but not the only goal. These players and teams are always striving for goal but if they fall short doesn’t mean they are failures.

And these modest successes are much easier to promote and sell than a consistent bottom dwelling team who never finds a Franchise QB to try and build around in a perpetual cycle looking for their Elite QB.

 

[Nav22]

Good Lord, I didn't expect this from you of all people. I have a healthy respect for you even if we don't always agree. But this is just fluff, statistics, and touching on nothing that matters. You can't be serious with this?

GOOD LORD, Dak is entering year 7..... and is STILL universally regarded as a top-10 QB by NFL players, coaches, scouts and execs.

How much more of a beating can you people take?

 

[Bigdog]

Dak and his agent are smiling now. No wonder the FO wanted to do 5 years and Dak wanted only 4. Dak will be even higher with his next contract if he plays well and doesn’t get a career injury.

 

[817Gill]

The results so far say he isn't worth it, just because folks jump off a bridge because they see other doing it doesn't make it right, maybe you should check out a few bridges.

I know we as fans want to believe players get paid to win championships in the NFL but that’s not entirely the case.

QB’s get paid to keep your team competitive and give you chance to win week in and week out. In those terms then yes he’s worth it because you don’t go 12-5 with bad QB play.

At the end of the day front offices will sign a guy 10/10 times if he can give you a realistic chance to make the playoffs annually. All the guys in the top 15 do that and that’s why they all get paid.

Why fans don’t understand this and continue to think they are better GM’s than actual GM’s is crazy lol

 

[Flamma]

This an attempt to squash the Troll narrative over Daks contract. Nothing more.

But yes. I am serious. It’s time for all fans to acknowledge these Market Price QB contracts at the time they are signed don’t necessarily represent the QB’s pecking order in the league.

And that they are necessary to secure your franchise QB. The alternatives are much less attractive or sound Mgmt.

Dude, who is highest paid means absolutely nothing. The only thing that matter is your cap hit. That's it. Dak right now is one of the worst going forward. Mainly because they have been pushing money forward.

In many cases, like Garoppolo or Carr, their contracts were huge at first, then seemed better as the years went on. But that's not the case with Dak. They keep pushing his money further making his cap hit bigger as the years go on.

His cap hits are fine now. But we're not winning. He's going to be big cap hits going forward. Dak's cap hits right now are not going to be team friendly. And it doesn't matter where he is on the top paid players list. All that matters is his cap hits, and how it affects the team. You're just throwing up a statistic, although true, doesn't accurately show the impact he truly has on the team and it's cap. It's just a statistic.

 

[Flamma]

GOOD LORD, Dak is entering year 7..... and is STILL universally regarded as a top-10 QB by NFL players, coaches, scouts and execs.

How much more of a beating can you people take?

I really don't care where Dak is ranked. Rank him wherever you want. He's a good QB that is nowhere near elite. Top 10, top 5, top 15, doesn't matter. He's not an elite QB and never will be. Where he ranks means nothing.

 

[Brax]

I know we as fans want to believe players get paid to win championships in the NFL but that’s not entirely the case.

QB’s get paid to keep your team competitive and give you chance to win week in and week out. In those terms then yes he’s worth it because you don’t go 12-5 with bad QB play.

At the end of the day front offices will sign a guy 10/10 times if he can give you a realistic chance to make the playoffs annually. All the guys in the top 15 do that and that’s why they all get paid.

Why fans don’t understand this and continue to think they are better GM’s than actual GM’s is crazy lol

It's a result orientated business not sure why fans don't understand this. As for 12-5 can you say NFL least is a reason.

 

[visionary]

Perhaps from an owner of a franchise eyes we need to define what delivers means? I’d suggest it’s not an all or nothing proposal.

The fact a Franchise QB who is good enough to help propel his team to the playoffs and help keep a competitive status not only keeps an interest from the fans but butts in the seats, merchandise selling and sponsors supporting which is all part of the business of football.

Winning championships is of course the ultimate goal but not the only goal. These players and teams are always striving for goal but if they fall short doesn’t mean they are failures.

And these modest successes are much easier to promote and sell than a consistent bottom dwelling team who never finds a Franchise QB to try and build around in a perpetual cycle looking for their Elite QB.

I’m not the owner, I’m a fan

this is a fan message board not for team owners

when you say “tough to knock the contract” on this board I’m thinking as a fan

Jerry is all about money and ego so from his standpoint the contract is fine but from a fan standpoint this was a terrible contract and still is because our QB cannot lead us to a SB

 

[Brax]

What “polls” are you referring to?

NFL players, coaches, scouts and execs were polled... and ONCE AGAIN, Dak was top 10.

Psst... when you can’t properly differentiate “to” from “too”... you shouldn’t EVER try to insult another person’s intelligence.

That's all you have, that's pathetic. grammar police from a guy who makes mistakes also but the rest of us understand the context and leave it alone. Thanks for being the pencil neck geek we knew you to be.

 

[links18]

Just because that Honda Accord you overpaid for 5 years ago is selling for more today, doesn't mean you got a good deal then.

 

[DMX690]

With Dak barely still in the top 10 salaries now with only Wilson and Cousins at 35 million below him because they’re contracts are nearing their maturity we can finally put to rest how much Dak is being over paid.

And if Jethro had resigned Dak when he initially wanted what Wilson was making at 35 million we’d be in much better shape.

I suspect by the time Jackson, Burrows and Herbert resign their deals Dak won’t even be in top 10-12.

We need to stop calling these QB being paid Elite deals. They are Market Prices.

And we really need to stop looking at yearly average which means very little. Cap hits are what’s important.

Daks cap hit last year was 17 mil and 19 mil this year. Yes, 49 next year and 52 in 2024 but most likely will restructure or resign by then which with signing bonuses always pushes these huge contracts to back end.

Just because other teams do dumb things does not justify Dak's salary.

 

[Diehardblues]

Just because other teams do dumb things does not justify Dak's salary.

Sure it does. It’s the way of the NFL.

There’s only a handful of Elite QB’s so you have to find as good of one as you can and build as best you can .

The alternatives are much less attractive from a teams outlook.

 

[Diehardblues]

Just because that Honda Accord you overpaid for 5 years ago is selling for more today, doesn't mean you got a good deal then.

It’s not really about getting a good deal. It’s about securing your Franchise QB. Where are you without one?

 

[PAPPYDOG]

It’s not really about getting a good deal. It’s about securing your Franchise QB. Where are you without one?

One and Done I guess.......

 

[OmerV]

troll some more, please.

He at least plugged some content into his post

 

[Brax]

“DURRR THAT’S ALL YOU HAVE”... you expose yourself as an idiot, and your response is to call me a geek?

I’m sorry that I was educated?


Which polls were you referring to, Bozo? NFL personnel already had their say.

Provide the links for these make-believe “polls” so I can laugh in your face even harder.

Send a jackass to school the same jackass comes out, you're proof of this.

 

[Nav22]

Send a jackass to school the same jackass comes out, you're proof of this.

LOLLLLLLL

“DURRRR HEY GUYS, OTHER POLLS OF RESPECTED PERSONNEL RANKED DAK BELOW THE TOP 10.... I JUST CAN’T FIND ANY OF THEM BUT TAKE MY WORD FOR IT DURRRRRR”

Take more of a beating. Keep it up.

 

[Ken]

If Dak doesn't play at an elite level in 2022, yeah, you can still knock his contract.

Again, just because teams are signing QBs to big deals doesn't somehow make all other large QB contracts now fair or smart decisions.

If If's and but's were candy and nuts ....every day would be Christmas.

 

[OmerV]

If Dak doesn't play at an elite level in 2022, yeah, you can still knock his contract.

Again, just because teams are signing QBs to big deals doesn't somehow make all other large QB contracts now fair or smart decisions.

But the point is his contract isn't a level restricted to elite QB's. With the way the market has gone, if a team won't pay market value for a quality, but less than elite QB, then they may be left with guys like Heineke, Brissett, Mills, Darnold, Daniel Jones etc ...

 

[Diehardblues]

But the point is his contract isn't a level restricted to elite QB's. With the way the market has gone, if a team won't pay market value for a quality, but less than elite QB, then they may be left with guys like Heineke, Brissett, Mills, Darnold, Daniel Jones etc ...

I think we have some fans would rather stay in a perpetual bottom dwellers status like Cleveland continually looking for the next great Elite QB instead of settling for an average to above average Franchise QB.