Tough to knock Dak's contract now

[DeaconMoss]

Its not tough at all. Without looking, I'm assuming most are 5 year deals and longer. Nit is, so we don't get the benefit of a few years of the deal being really pretty good. We go from top 3 to top 10 for a year or 2 right back to top 3 again as dak is going to screw us again in 2 years.

Good QB class this year. Time to do some shopping.

 

[Diehardblues]

Of course the flow of the game is important and how the battle is going in the trenches but ultimately a close game between two fairly even matched teams will come down to a few plays here and there. E.g., Some quarterbacks have the ability to put their team in position to win games but it's a team game and they rely on others to execute at the highest level at key moments otherwise the team will not be able to win.

So you don't think Marcolm Butler intercepting the ball against the Seahawks or Pete Caroll's decision to not run the ball from the 2 yard line had much impact on the outcome of that Superbowl?

I’d argue the execution was more critical.

 

[Diehardblues]

Good QB class this year. Time to do some shopping.

I think we should always be looking to draft a QB. I’m just not sure it’s a priority of this front office.

 

[Flamma]

I will say it wouldn’t surprise me if they push it down the road. Or can they do a early extension. If he plays lights out they may look to extend a year or 2. And I think we have out with D-Law and Elliot next year. One or both could go..

They can do whatever they want when it comes to 3rd contracts and beyond, I'm just going by what they typically do. An early extension just accomplishes what they typically do, push money forward. That's what they do with all of their players, push it forward when the need arises.

If the projections of next year's cap can be believed, around 225M - 230M, Dallas will only be around 5M over the cap, and that's with Dak's 50M cap hit. That's why I said I think they are preparing to absorb that cap hit. Because they can. What else do they spend money on? They spend on cheap free agents, their drafted players, and any extensions. They'll have the money for all of that with the cap space they are saving and rolling over. Remember, any extensions don't affect the team by that much the year of the extension. So even if they extend Diggs and Lamb, the only extra money going on the cap is 1/5 the signing bonus.

 

[Swagger]

I’d argue the execution was more critical.

So you agree with me

 

[Diehardblues]

So you agree with me

Agree with what ?

I’m not dismissing these end of game plays or sequences aren’t a deciding factor . My greater point is it shouldn’t be totally put on the credit or blame of one player. There’s several moving pieces.

It’s a team game . It’s not a QB with 10 caddies out there carrying his bag.

 

[glimmerman]

They can do whatever they want when it comes to 3rd contracts and beyond, I'm just going by what they typically do. An early extension just accomplishes what they typically do, push money forward. That's what they do with all of their players, push it forward when the need arises.

If the projections of next year's cap can be believed, around 225M - 230M, Dallas will only be around 5M over the cap, and that's with Dak's 50M cap hit. That's why I said I think they are preparing to absorb that cap hit. Because they can. What else do they spend money on? They spend on cheap free agents, their drafted players, and any extensions. They'll have the money for all of that with the cap space they are saving and rolling over. Remember, any extensions don't affect the team by that much the year of the extension. So even if they extend Diggs and Lamb, the only extra money going on the cap is 1/5 the signing bonus.

What if they extend Dak this year during the season. If Elliot don’t over perform they could drop him. Same with D-Law. He is under estimated in what he brings when in the field. But he is injured every year.

 

[Diehardblues]

What if they extend Dak this year during the season. If Elliot don’t over perform they could drop him. Same with D-Law. He is under estimated in what he brings when in the field. But he is injured every year.

All good questions. I felt from the beginning that we would renegotiate his contract before final year in 2023. At least restructure pushing the bigger cap hits back and handing him more signing bonus.

But I suppose we could absorb the Cap hit. We certainly are positioning ourselves for it. And if Elliott doesn’t rebound to his former self there’s a good chance he’s gone.

There’s others which could be gone if injury history persist like Lawrence and Tyron.

 

[Flamma]

What if they extend Dak this year during the season. If Elliot don’t over perform they could drop him. Same with D-Law. He is under estimated in what he brings when in the field. But he is injured every year.

I'm not sure what purpose that would serve? They have the option to convert 31M of his base salary to signing bonus, and spread that out over 4 years.

DLaw is a 12M cap spike next year. But they have to keep him. No good option to release until 2024. They can release Zeke after this season. But he'll only save the Cowboys 5M.

 

[Flamma]

But I suppose we could absorb the Cap hit. We certainly are positioning ourselves for it.

Yeah, that's not always a good thing. If you can easily absorb your QBs 50M cap hit, the rest of the team might not be that good.

I believe it will come down to how well the Cowboys do over the next two years that determines what decisions are made.

 

[rnr_honeybadger]

Bad contracts are bad contracts, regardless of what bad contracts other teams hand out

 

[glimmerman]

I'm not sure what purpose that would serve? They have the option to convert 31M of his base salary to signing bonus, and spread that out over 4 years.

DLaw is a 12M cap spike next year. But they have to keep him. No good option to release until 2024. They can release Zeke after this season. But he'll only save the Cowboys 5M.

Thanks for the info. If it only saves 5 million and Elliot runs good then I would keep him. He pass protects well and if in shape can run. Unless Pollard or someone pops off this season. But Pollard is looking to get paid..

 

[glimmerman]

Yeah, that's not always a good thing. If you can easily absorb your QBs 50M cap hit, the rest of the team might not be that good.

I believe it will come down to how well the Cowboys do over the next two years that determines what decisions are made.

It’s a team game. Put brady with 0 protection and he gets killed. Dak will be mobile this year and I expect better than last year. If not then may be in trouble. I think he goes up instead of down this year. All depends on O-Line. And again I will say I don’t like the playcalling and philibins zone blocking.

 

[Flamma]

Thanks for the info. If it only saves 5 million and Elliot runs good then I would keep him. He pass protects well and if in shape can run. Unless Pollard or someone pops off this season. But Pollard is looking to get paid..

I would agree. I'm also not against paying a RB, but pay them their value, not something ridiculous. Similar to the contract Anthony Brown got. But I don't think Dallas is keeping Pollard.

 

[glimmerman]

Agree with what ?

I’m not dismissing these end of game plays or sequences aren’t a deciding factor . My greater point is it shouldn’t be totally put on the credit or blame of one player. There’s several moving pieces.

It’s a team game . It’s not a QB with 10 caddies out there carrying his bag.

It’s not a problem with me. End of games Dak plays well. Makes good decisions. It’s the first 3 quarters. And some of its play calling.

 

[Flamma]

It’s a team game. Put brady with 0 protection and he gets killed. Dak will be mobile this year and I expect better than last year. If not then may be in trouble. I think he goes up instead of down this year. All depends on O-Line. And again I will say I don’t like the playcalling and philibins zone blocking.

Yep, a good example is 2016. You know that stat people keep throwing around, 1-13 against non division playoff teams? That's over the last 4 years. Dallas won 3 of them in 2016. That's more of an indictment on the team, not the quarterback. Dak was not a better QB in 2016, he had a much better OL.

 

[glimmerman]

I would agree. I'm also not against paying a RB, but pay them their value, not something ridiculous. Similar to the contract Anthony Brown got. But I don't think Dallas is keeping Pollard.

They can’t keep Pollard. If he does really well this year he and his agent will want Elliot money or close to it. I think Gallups contract will be ok if he recovers and continues to play well..

 

[glimmerman]

Yep, a good example is 2016. You know that stat people keep throwing around, 1-13 against non division playoff teams? That's over the last 4 years. Dallas won 3 of them in 2016. That's more of an indictment on the team, not the quarterback. Dak was not a better QB in 2016, he had a much better OL.

Also they kept it simple and had a healthy Elliot. He threw shorter passes and ran it himself. He had designed running plays where he would take off after the snap off tackle. They used him like they didn’t care if he got hurt. All he needed to do was execute. And when the team executes we win.

 

[Reid1boys]

It’s a team game. Put brady with 0 protection and he gets killed. Dak will be mobile this year and I expect better than last year. If not then may be in trouble. I think he goes up instead of down this year. All depends on O-Line. And again I will say I don’t like the playcalling and philibins zone blocking.

Brady with 0 protection? Is he gonna just get the ball from center and have nobody else on the line. Every an has decent protection, some are just far batter at avoiding sacks and getting rid of the ball. Burrow had crap last year... still made the sb. Enough with days excuses already.

 

[Flamma]

Brady with 0 protection? Is he gonna just get the ball from center and have nobody else on the line. Every an has decent protection, some are just far batter at avoiding sacks and getting rid of the ball. Burrow had crap last year... still made the sb. Enough with days excuses already.

LOL, I think there is a sizable gap between Burrow and Dak. I give Burrow a lot of credit. The dude is good under pressure.