Tough to knock Dak's contract now

[mattjames2010]

Not sure why some are so obsessed w/something they have absolutely no control over. Jealousy? EWS? (excessive whining syndrome) Who cares how much someone makes. Especially professional athletes. They've earned it. Move on already!

Are you being obtuse on purpose? This is a sub discussing an NFL team. The NFL has a cap, the Cowboys aren't excluded from this.

We have no control over ANYTHING about the Cowboys, except a minimal way of viewership and merchandise purchases. If we only talked about things we can control, this forum would be dead. What a stupid comment. Wow.

 

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[Swagger]

merge thread

Plus the data in the OP is false anyway.
The "average" salary of some of those is lower because they were extensions after this year.
Stafford gets 23 mil this year, Carr gets 20, for example. Average that in with the extension and they drop way down

Ex. Stafford
(23+40+40+40+40=183)
183/ 5= 36.6 average

facts matter

Plus Rodgers actually signed a team friendly deal for a lower cap hit yet it looks worse if taken without reading the small print.
Mahomes is on a team friendly deal.

 

[glimmerman]

I think next year we will need to redo his contract. He counts huge on the cap. This year isn’t that much..

 

[Flamma]

Plus Rodgers actually signed a team friendly deal for a lower cap hit yet it looks worse if taken without reading the small print.
Mahomes is on a team friendly deal.

Mahomes deal as a whole will end up team friendly. But as far as this year goes, he's a 17% cap hit. Nothing team friendly about that.

Rodgers cap hit is lower than it was before the restructure, but it's still 13%. The last QB to reach a SB with a cap hit near that was Matt Ryan in 2016.

I think next year we will need to redo his contract. He counts huge on the cap. This year isn’t that much..

Do you wonder why Dallas is saving cap space? It's most likely to absorb most of Dak's cap hit next year. They can't keep pushing money forward because that will all have to be included in any extension he signs. That's over 20M already. He's a 50M cap hit next year. There's probably 0 chance they push 30M forward to get his cap hit to what it is this season.

 

[DeaconMoss]

Daks cap hit last year was 17 mil and 19 mil this year. Yes, 49 next year and 52 in 2024 but most likely will restructure or resign by then which with signing bonuses always pushes these huge contracts to back end.

restructure or resign?
How about draft replacement?

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

restructure or resign?
How about draft replacement?

so that's the 40M dollar question.

the goal no matter what is to build a championship team.

so is it easier to build a team around Dak to make a run, or is it easier to find an Elite QB, subsequently still build a team (obviously with less needs). the Dak hating crowd want to draft and perhaps are willing to go down the ever looking for the next Elite QB. I am not saying its not doable, but it has low odds. or Do we go down the path of putting an OL, Defense around Dak with the right Coach, which also has low odds.

lets not forget, we have Jerry at the helm. neither prospect looks good. he of the mindset to Draft Manziel and wanted to Trade up and get Lynch......we know how both of those turned out and how far behind we would have been with them at the helm....

 

[Swagger]

Mahomes deal as a whole will end up team friendly. But as far as this year goes, he's a 17% cap hit. Nothing team friendly about that.

Rodgers cap hit is lower than it was before the restructure, but it's still 13%. The last QB to reach a SB with a cap hit near that was Matt Ryan in 2016.




Do you wonder why Dallas is saving cap space? It's most likely to absorb most of Dak's cap hit next year. They can't keep pushing money forward because that will all have to be included in any extension he signs. That's over 20M already. He's a 50M cap hit next year. There's probably 0 chance they push 30M forward to get his cap hit to what it is this season.

In Rodgers and Mahomes we are talking about two of the very best quarterbacks in the world so given how much quality they bring to the table they are on team friendly deals unlike bang average quarterbacks earning a little less

 

[Diehardblues]

restructure or resign?
How about draft replacement?

I’m open but is that what you think our front office is going to do?

 

[Diehardblues]

In Rodgers and Mahomes we are talking about two of the very best quarterbacks in the world so given how much quality they bring to the table they are on team friendly deals unlike bang average quarterbacks earning a little less

No doubt more Elite QB’s make it easier to build around but obviously they still need a supporting cast. And why they aren’t winning championships every year.

The main difference I see not only in talent level but there’s this perception from fans that once a QB wins a championship they no longer fall into this segment of doubt from fans over good QB’s whose teams haven’t won a championship.

So until their teams wins a championship it becomes basically a talking point they may not be good enough.

 

[Diehardblues]

so that's the 40M dollar question.

the goal no matter what is to build a championship team.

so is it easier to build a team around Dak to make a run, or is it easier to find an Elite QB, subsequently still build a team (obviously with less needs). the Dak hating crowd want to draft and perhaps are willing to go down the ever looking for the next Elite QB. I am not saying its not doable, but it has low odds. or Do we go down the path of putting an OL, Defense around Dak with the right Coach, which also has low odds.

lets not forget, we have Jerry at the helm. neither prospect looks good. he of the mindset to Draft Manziel and wanted to Trade up and get Lynch......we know how both of those turned out and how far behind we would have been with them at the helm....

Yep

It’s those Super Bowl or bust mentality fans. They’d rather go 0-17 every year until we draft the next great elite qb. Which of course there’s no guarantee especially with our dysfunctional ownership who even if they did land the next great qb could still not be able to surround them with enough.

 

[DeaconMoss]

No doubt more Elite QB’s make it easier to build around but obviously they still need a supporting cast. And why they aren’t winning championships every year.

The main difference I see not only in talent level but there’s this perception from fans that once a QB wins a championship they no longer fall into this segment of doubt from fans over good QB’s whose teams haven’t won a championship.

So until their teams wins a championship it becomes basically a talking point they may not be good enough.

What usually happens is a QB wins a championship they get paid so much money they have a subpar team around them. Or in Dallas' case Lose the wild card game and then pay the QB too much money.

 

[Swagger]

No doubt more Elite QB’s make it easier to build around but obviously they still need a supporting cast. And why they aren’t winning championships every year.

The main difference I see not only in talent level but there’s this perception from fans that once a QB wins a championship they no longer fall into this segment of doubt from fans over good QB’s whose teams haven’t won a championship.

So until their teams wins a championship it becomes basically a talking point they may not be good enough.

Everyone will be different and will have their own opinion.

Some people hate Romo fair enough but the reality is if Patrick Crayton did his job, ran his route he has a regulation catch in his bread basket to beat the Giants in 2007. Yet some people still blame Romo for the loss. They seemingly do not understand how elite level professional sports work. A game between two top teams will often come down to a play or two. You rarely continually get another go in the same game. The 2014 Cowboys didn't have the defense to genuinely have a chance of winning the Superbowl yet even then Romo got the blame for Dez Bryant not simply completing the process of a catch as it was construed at that time.

Prescott to my knowledge hasn't had moments like these in the play off losses where he made the correct play, executed a perfect high pressure pass and a space cadet team mate was unable to do his job. I suppose the closest was probably expecting Cedric Wilson (from memory) to make a(nother) circus catch against the 49ers last season. He had the ball on two drives to win that game inside the last 4-5 minutes vs the 49ers yet couldn't get it done. People blame penalties...yet why do they only seem to happen to the Cowboys offense? Is it always coaching or perhaps is it the cadence from the QB?

In 2016 he had the ball in his hands to beat the Packers against one of the worst pass defenses in the history of the play offs in the NFL yet...he couldn't get it done and failed to run off enough clock to ensure it went to overtime. He was a rookie is the excuse but that's why you go with an All Pro vet in a game like that which required the offense to keep the team in it whilst the defense struggled not fall in a 3-21 hole.

 

[Diehardblues]

What usually happens is a QB wins a championship they get paid so much money they have a subpar team around them. Or in Dallas' case Lose the wild card game and then pay the QB too much money.

IMO the media and fans attach too much credit and blame with winning or losing with the QB’s.

There’s a fine line even for these more Elite QB’s who often don’t win more than 1 or 2 championships. But once they do win one receive a pass for life being blamed for their team not having more success.

 

[glimmerman]

Mahomes deal as a whole will end up team friendly. But as far as this year goes, he's a 17% cap hit. Nothing team friendly about that.

Rodgers cap hit is lower than it was before the restructure, but it's still 13%. The last QB to reach a SB with a cap hit near that was Matt Ryan in 2016.




Do you wonder why Dallas is saving cap space? It's most likely to absorb most of Dak's cap hit next year. They can't keep pushing money forward because that will all have to be included in any extension he signs. That's over 20M already. He's a 50M cap hit next year. There's probably 0 chance they push 30M forward to get his cap hit to what it is this season.

I will say it wouldn’t surprise me if they push it down the road. Or can they do a early extension. If he plays lights out they may look to extend a year or 2. And I think we have out with D-Law and Elliot next year. One or both could go..

 

[Diehardblues]

Everyone will be different and will have their own opinion.

Some people hate Romo fair enough but the reality is if Patrick Crayton did his job, ran his route he has a regulation catch in his bread basket to beat the Giants in 2007. Yet some people still blame Romo for the loss. They seemingly do not understand how elite level professional sports work. A game between two top sides will often come down to a play or two. You rarely continually get another go in the same game. The 2014 Cowboys didn't have the defense to genuinely have a chance of winning the Superbowl yet even then Romo got the blame for Dez Bryant not simply completing the process of a catch as it was construed at that time.

Prescott to my knowledge hasn't had moments like these in the play off losses where he made the correct play, executed a perfect high pressure pass and a space cadet team mate was unable to do his job. I suppose the closest was probably expecting Cedric Wilson (from memory) to make a(nother) circus catch against the 49ers last season. He had the ball on two drives to win that game inside the last 4-5 minutes vs the 49ers yet couldn't get it done. People blame penalties...yet why do they only seem to happen to the Cowboys offense? Is it always coaching or perhaps is it the cadence from the QB?

In 2016 he had the ball in his hands to beat the Packers against one of the worst pass defenses in the history of the play offs in the NFL yet...he couldn't get it done and failed to run off enough clock to ensure it went to overtime. He was a rookie is the excuse but that's why you go with an All Pro vet in a game like that which required the offense to keep the team in it whilst the defense struggled not fall in a 3-21 hole.

This to me is a big part of the problem which the media and fans all too often focus on. There’s so much more to these games than the last couple of possessions.

 

[Swagger]

This to me is a big part of the problem which the media and fans all too often focus on. There’s so much more to these games than the last couple of possessions.

But ultimately it often comes down to those final moments. Patriots beat the Seahawks to win the Superbowl in the last few seconds. Even last season the Rams and Stafford executed several game winning drives to win play off games.

Players need to execute at crucial moments otherwise a team loses. David Tyree helmet catch, Wes Welker dropping the third down conversion from Brady to ice the Superbowl.

Yes the Rams D played well in the second half last season vs the Bengals but they didn't play well in the first half and Stafford had to make those throws. If he threw an interception on the no look throw the Rams would have lost the Superbowl.

 

[Reid1boys]

Its not tough at all. Without looking, I'm assuming most are 5 year deals and longer. Nit is, so we don't get the benefit of a few years of the deal being really pretty good. We go from top 3 to top 10 for a year or 2 right back to top 3 again as dak is going to screw us again in 2 years.

 

[Diehardblues]

But ultimately it often comes down to those final moments. Patriots beat the Seahawks to win the Superbowl in the last few seconds. Even last season the Rams and Stafford executed several game winning drives to win play off games.

Players need to execute at crucial moments otherwise a team loses. David Tyree helmet catch, Wes Welker dropping the third down conversion from Brady to ice the Superbowl.

Yes the Rams D played well in the second half last season vs the Bengals but they didn't play well in the first half and Stafford had to make those throws. If he threw an interception on the no look throw the Rams would have lost the Superbowl.

Yes. More good examples of my point.

The 58 minutes leading up to the final 2 minutes play a crucial part in the outcome. A final play or sequence just receive more airtime .

 

[Swagger]

Yes. More good examples of my point.

The 58 minutes leading up to the final 2 minutes play a crucial part in the outcome. A final play or sequence just receive more airtime .

Of course the flow of the game is important and how the battle is going in the trenches but ultimately a close game between two fairly even matched teams will come down to a few plays here and there. E.g., Some quarterbacks have the ability to put their team in position to win games but it's a team game and they rely on others to execute at the highest level at key moments otherwise the team will not be able to win.

So you don't think Marcolm Butler intercepting the ball against the Seahawks or Pete Caroll's decision to not run the ball from the 2 yard line had much impact on the outcome of that Superbowl?