Dak and the elephant in the room

[TheMarathonContinues]

I remember when Ezekiel Elliot took that 2016 team to a 12 win season too!

I do too. Good times.

 

[McMicah]

I’ve said it in other posts and restate it here. Let the season play out. We all watched Cooper Rush play 4 games against both SB teams and an undefeated team. Now we get to watch Dak play with the exact same team: same weapons, same OL, same defense. That is a RARE gift for someone comparing QB play.

At the end of this season, I think the stats will allow people to make objective observations for and/or against Dak. Right now I’m just rooting for Dak and this defense to go supernova and take it all the way.

For the record, yes I was insanely frustrated at the overthrow on the early bootleg, and the unnecessary sack that took us out of fg range that Turpin handed us. I was also pleased at the late game play. Let the sample size grow. Let Cooper be the control in this rare experiment. Enjoy the season, then make conclusions

 

[McKDaddy]

He was terrible against the 49ers , so that's 3 games.

He was mostly terrible the second half of last year. Certainly against any level of competition. If people were being fair in their defense they would acknowledge that its not a small sample size the critics are rightly pointing to.

 

[KB1122]

You know how our front office has long believed we could win a Super Bowl with Tony or Dak if we just put enough around them?

Well, we're at that point.

 

[McKDaddy]

Patrick Mahomes 160 touchdowns. Prescott 150.

Actually its 171 to 144 despite Mahomes only playing 1 game in 2017. All you have highlighted is how much better Mahomes is.

 

[KMY_Amber]

It's getting harder and harder to evaluate Dak with such predictable, conservative play calling for most of the first halves of most games. I can't imagine many QBs looking prolific and efficient with Kellen Moore as OC. The Dallas offensive playbook is putrid in long stretches of many games. We never go downfield early, EVER. So as a DC playing the Cowboys, I would never even play the deep ball in the 1st quarter, thus the safeties can just play near the LOS at the snap, and the CBs can jump all the routes.

I just don't have faith in Kellen Moore, never have, especially in a big night game, when his play calling gets even MORE conservative.

 

[john van brocklin]

He was mostly terrible the second half of last year. Certainly against any level of competition. If people were being fair in their defense they would acknowledge that its not a small sample size the critics are rightly pointing to.

True,
And I am not bashing Dak.
The team just needs to objectively assess
Their talent so they can improve.

 

[DandyDon52]

[QUOTE="Big D, post: 12215273, member: 135"]I thought it was a mistake to win the toss and elect to receive. You gotta know Dak was amped up to begin with and then we go straight to the pass. Not an ideal way to ease an injured qb back IMO. Let the defense start it off and give him a lil time to settle in and then start with the ball in 2nd half.[/QUOTE] yeah that was our coach doing something stupid again.

 

[john van brocklin]

You know how our front office has long believed we could win a Super Bowl with Tony or Dak if we just put enough around them?

Well, we're at that point.

Here is to hoping your correct!

 

[john van brocklin]

[QUOTE="Big D, post: 12215273, member: 135"]I thought it was a mistake to win the toss and elect to receive. You gotta know Dak was amped up to begin with and then we go straight to the pass. Not an ideal way to ease an injured qb back IMO. Let the defense start it off and give him a lil time to settle in and then start with the ball in 2nd half.

yeah that was our coach doing something stupid again.[/QUOTE]
Did like like this decision either

 

[john van brocklin]

I’ve said it in other posts and restate it here. Let the season play out. We all watched Cooper Rush play 4 games against both SB teams and an undefeated team. Now we get to watch Dak play with the exact same team: same weapons, same OL, same defense. That is a RARE gift for someone comparing QB play.

At the end of this season, I think the stats will allow people to make objective observations for and/or against Dak. Right now I’m just rooting for Dak and this defense to go supernova and take it all the way.

For the record, yes I was insanely frustrated at the overthrow on the early bootleg, and the unnecessary sack that took us out of fg range that Turpin handed us. I was also pleased at the late game play. Let the sample size grow. Let Cooper be the control in this rare experiment. Enjoy the season, then make conclusions

Fair enough

 

[Playmaker3128]

For the life of me I don't understand why we don't use RPO read options more. The few times we did today they worked.
I'm not saying we need to use them all game. However why they aren't a bigger part of the playbook to me is mind boggling. Especially with the oline we have + the 1-2 punch we have at RB. I watched the giants jags do them all day today. When used right they can be tough for defenses to stop.

On third and short they are even tougher to account for. Today on 3rd and short we pitched the ball backwards twice for some reason.

We need to allow dak to use his legs more. It can really help this offense. Secondly it can help him get into the flow of the game. When he was out there just making plays In years past when he was at his best. Not just standing in the pocket.

 

[Runwildboys]

It's getting harder and harder to evaluate Dak with such predictable, conservative play calling for most of the first halves of most games. I can't imagine many QBs looking prolific and efficient with Kellen Moore as OC. The Dallas offensive playbook is putrid in long stretches of many games. We never go downfield early, EVER. So as a DC playing the Cowboys, I would never even play the deep ball in the 1st quarter, thus the safeties can just play near the LOS at the snap, and the CBs can jump all the routes.

I just don't have faith in Kellen Moore, never have, especially in a big night game, when his play calling gets even MORE conservative.

How do you know it's conservative play calling? I seem to remember Dak lofting a few bad throws toward the beginning of the game.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

mr Gimmie--- no sir i would not be harsh toward your feelings....but our Plats are up this year overrall....but i can see too many plats lose their gumph ( is there such a word? ).....so you feel D line is not rotating

enough.....i did not pay attention to that detail....but maybe i could get flogged and whipped and scourged and if i am still alive maybe not complete execution????...only a thought

Oh it was a moment of frustration and i took it out on you. The Library Lady intoned, "You were too harsh on Gonzalo.''
When she wanted a Dairy Queen Blizzard later that evening, I told her, "Well, let Gonzalo take you to the DQ!"

Good times.
All is forgiven.

 

[Verdict]

Overreaction.

He was pretty good today. He did well with the tools he has to work with.

I expected the offense around him to be a little more potent, but he's just not as good without Cooper AND Lamb. That said, I think this offense is still trending upward.

You really can't glean a whole lot from this game, as far as I'm concerned, other than Dak has a way better arm than Rush and makes pretty good decisions and doesn't turn it over a whole lot.

I will have to disagree with “Dak was pretty good today”.

 

[Verdict]

Last week just win baby this week Dak sux. Y’all good for a laugh anyway

I give Dak a C for today. I give Kellen a D

Kellen wasn’t overthrowing receivers.

 

[Verdict]

Seems pretty knee jerk for someone coming off a thumb injury, a below average game for our OL, 2 dropped passes and a WR fumble in the endzone.

As expected, he was rusty and got a little better as the game went on.

He has been rusty for about 3 years now.

 

[PAPPYDOG]

Dak is back, of course, he is!!!

 

[Verdict]

Dak is a good bus driver, but Moore loves putting him in the shotgun. Shotgun runs makes Zeke look average. Without a strong rushing attack Dak looks average.

Moore doesn't understand how to use his players. That's why they struggle with efficiency quite often.

Moore isn’t helping Zeke AT ALL. He is an idiot in running our running game.

 

[Calvin2Tony2Emmitt2Julius]

Kellen wasn’t overthrowing receivers.

Tell me how do you discuss in good faith with these people. Dak was
19 out 25 today,now tell for the love of everything holy how is that overthrowing receivers or are we supposed to believe he should never throw an errant pass? 19/25
I get it y'all just don't want him as QB for your team,,but goodness man