ESPN on QB Contracts (Dak)

[Direwolf63]

If we've won a Super Bowl by that point I promise you nobody will be upset.

If we have zero playoff wins by that point then any wailing about it will be warranted.

Nope. I don't buy it.

If the Cowboys win a Super Bowl, all the credit will go to Parsons and the defense. Dak will be shunned as always. The cry will be that could have won the Super Bowl with this defense.

That will be the narrative.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

LOL. Just stop it. The defense played lights out when Rush was under center. Since Dak has been back the defense has been getting bullied in the run game. The numbers are there for you to see man but you just refuse to believe them.

The Cowboys are literally averaging like 30ppg since Dak has been back. And you are trying to sit there with a straight face and say its not Dak but when they were winning with Rush it was all Rush?

Just stop my dude.

I didn't say it was all Rush either.

The Bills or Chiefs aren't going 4-1 without their QBs. Because their QBs are actual difference makers.

You're falling into the "I think Dak is better and more important than he really is" trap over and over, year after year.

Then the playoffs will come and we'll get bullied, some will make excuses while others accept it for what it is (for a few weeks), then once the next season starts Dak will be "great" again. That's just how it goes.

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

Nope. I don't buy it.

If the Cowboys win a Super Bowl, all the credit will go to Parsons and the defense. Dak will be shunned as always. The cry will be that could have won the Super Bowl with this defense.

That will be the narrative.

If Dak wins Super Bowl MVP then what could anyone say?

 

[phildadon86]

The Green Bay game was another reminder that the team go as far as the defense and o-line go plus Pollard. The defense allowed 28 points in regulation and people harped on about how poorly they played. The Eagles D just gave up 33 points against Green Bay but the offense and Hurts responded by putting up 40 points to secure the W.

Sometimes your QB has to produce the goods in a shoot out in order for the team to win. Prescott failed again in this regard because he isn't a difference maker and therefore shouldn't be paid like one.

Its interesting that you brought up Hurts and the Eagles.

Hurts won that game did he? LOL. My God some of you make me laugh.

 

[phildadon86]

If Dak wins Super Bowl MVP then what could anyone say?

"It was the team around him. " Which is exactly what you will say if it happens. Exactly how you are taking credit away from Dak for doing what he has done since coming back lol

 

[Swagger]

You cannot pay anyone 10 million a year. It’s ridiculous, but just for discussion, if Dallas made Rush the starter tomorrow to replace Dak permanently, His agent wouldn’t let him suit up for less than 25-30 million. That’s the game. You have to pay your starting QB no matter how good or bad he is….unless you keep signing backups and then make them starters for one year.

However, it’s been proven time and again that the money isn’t really an issue. Teams can pay any player they really want no matter what they are paying the QB. It’s perfectly clear that Amare Cooper was released for reasons beyond the salary cap or Dak’s salary because they continue to pay guys they want and can even pursue OBJ mid season. Fans should like a player or not based on production; that’s fair and a matter of opinion, but I’ll never understand why fans care what the player’s salary is.

The reason why fans care about what players are paid is because of the salary cap.
Has it been stated as a fact that Cooper was traded for next to nothing for reasons beyond the salary cap or was the cap a consideration given they had factored in a big contract subsequently offered to Gregory?

 

[MountaineerCowboy]

"It was the team around him. " Which is exactly what you will say if it happens. Exactly how you are taking credit away from Dak for doing what he has done since coming back lol

I'm not taking away anything from Dak.

When did I say Dak has no part in anything? You're making things up in defense of Dak.

 

[phildadon86]

I didn't say it was all Rush either.

The Bills or Chiefs aren't going 4-1 without their QBs. Because their QBs are actual difference makers.

You're falling into the "I think Dak is better and more important than he really is" trap over and over, year after year.

Then the playoffs will come and we'll get bullied, some will make excuses while others accept it for what it is (for a few weeks), then once the next season starts Dak will be "great" again. That's just how it goes.

Interesting. Josh Allen is a "difference maker" but Dak isn't?

I can count 3 games the Bills lost that are directly on Josh Allen. Can you count 3 that Dak has lost this year?

And in no way am I saying I take Dak over Allen. I am using it as an example. That your entire argument is flawed.

 

[Dallasfann]

Yeah, if your team goes 4-1 without you you're not exactly the difference maker you're paid to be as far as I'm concerned.

One could also argue it means that the Cowboys have a pretty damn good football team.

 

[blueblood70]

You cannot pay anyone 10 million a year. It’s ridiculous, but just for discussion, if Dallas made Rush the starter tomorrow to replace Dak permanently, His agent wouldn’t let him suit up for less than 25-30 million. That’s the game. You have to pay your starting QB no matter how good or bad he is….unless you keep signing backups and then make them starters for one year.

However, it’s been proven time and again that the money isn’t really an issue. Teams can pay any player they really want no matter what they are paying the QB. It’s perfectly clear that Amare Cooper was released for reasons beyond the salary cap or Dak’s salary because they continue to pay guys they want and can even pursue OBJ mid season. Fans should like a player or not based on production; that’s fair and a matter of opinion, but I’ll never understand why fans care what the player’s salary is.

I think 10-15 is realistic. Its what Dalton makes correct, so if you try and make him a starter, 19 seems like a real number. Look at What JG restructured for, Rush if he accepted that kind of deal, maybe he gets more starter offers,, No ones handing Rush 25mil per year.

Rush is basically AD.. His worth is being far overrated, teams will not be lining up to pay rush and Rush is nowhere near the qb Dak is..thats a fact, him starting 17 games and being successful, not great IMO..its why hes a backup.
I get your point though. Geno makes 3.5mil this year..im sure that will change but rushes agent would be out of touch asking for 20-30mil, he won't get it,

 

[Swagger]

One could also argue it means that the Cowboys have a pretty damn good football team.

Agree but that's the same argument as stating the QB isn't the difference maker to the team

 

[phildadon86]

I'm not taking away anything from Dak.

When did I say Dak has no part in anything? You're making things up in defense of Dak.

He has a small part. According to how you are posting. That is the definition of diminishing what he is doing. The second half of the Giants game. Who stepped up? I can name 5 players and one of them is Dak. Unless Lamb is throwing the ball to himself.

 

[phildadon86]

https://cowboyszone.com/threads/sin...-in-points-1st-in-3rd-down-conversion.503501/

@MountaineerCowboy go take a look.

I know its not all Dak. But Rush was NOWHERE near that. So enough please. The numbers are there for you to see. You just choose not to.

 

[cnuball21]

Rush wouldn't be considered a top 50 QB in this league. Even someone like Mariota would likely enjoy a similar jump in team performance with this team.

Actually not. Marriotta is 17th in the league in EPA per play, and his number is only slightly higher than what Rush’s was.

He’s not very good.

 

[CowboyoWales]

Interesting. Josh Allen is a "difference maker" but Dak isn't?

I can count 3 games the Bills lost that are directly on Josh Allen. Can you count 3 that Dak has lost this year?

And in no way am I saying I take Dak over Allen. I am using it as an example. That your entire argument is flawed.

You're having bad day on here today. It's a team game, Dak (or for that matter Mahomes or Allen) can't do it without a team around him. Our strength is tge Defense and that and our run first Offense and Dak's managerial skills (so long as we play off the run) will combine to the success.
Some fans do seem to be Dak front and center rather than as an important contributory factor

 

[Ranching]

I will never be able to appreciate Dak's contract because I do not believe his skills and talent are worth it.

The less he does the better we are and he can't consistently commit to that play style.

You will never be able to appreciate......speaks volumes...those that don't like Dak are so entrenched in their opinion that they won't appreciate Dak even if he wins the Superbowl and MVP....
BTW...those that believe in Dak are probably just as bad on the opposite side.

 

[Coogiguy03]

In favor of who?

Someone in college right now

 

[phildadon86]

You're having bad day on here today. It's a team game, Dak (or for that matter Mahomes or Allen) can't do it without a team around him. Our strength is tge Defense and that and our run first Offense and Dak's managerial skills (so long as we play off the run) will combine to the success.
Some fans do seem to be Dak front and center rather than as an important contributory factor

That is my point. Or at least what I am trying to say. Stop comparing these guys because its a freaking TEAM GAME!.

The TEAM on defense especially stepped up when Rush was there. Since Dak has been back. The entire offense has improved. Thats literally all I am saying. I would take Allen in a freaking heartbeat over Dak lol

 

[jterrell]

can use reader mode on most pay sites fwiw.

Dak Prescott, Dallas Cowboys
Here's an interesting one! Prescott is signed through 2024, and his 2023 salary of $31 million is fully guaranteed. His 2024 salary of $29 million is not guaranteed, nor is his 2024 roster bonus of $5 million (which comes with a March 2024 deadline). Dak is sure to be the Cowboys' starter for at least one more year after this one and probably much longer, as they'll likely look to extend him this offseason or next. But if things were to go wrong, the 2024 season is when the Cowboys would have a relatively easy out.

Moving on from Dak in the 2024 offseason would cost them no cash, and about $40 million in dead-money cap charges for 2024. But Dak's only 29, and they love him there, so things would have to go very wrong for any of this to matter. Just pointing out that this extension, which feels so recent, was a short-term deal designed to get him to the market again sooner, or prompt a decision by Dallas on an extension in the next year or two.

 

[Risen Star]

We can get out of the contract after next year so let's celebrate.

Problem is we won't. So who cares?

There isn't enough lipstick to slap on this pig.