CFZ WR group is probably the worst outside of the Giants

[Cowboyny]

No hope, gut feel..these vets may not have an impact on 17 game season but 3 RS and a playoff run , yes they will be inspired to do so like max effort. seen guys like TB12 play late into their ages and others ... see peters as an example no 60 play games or full seasons but impactful when in limited reps. YES, answer YES..i also fully expect Gallup to get right, im putting some of this on MOORE not horrible play caller but the offensive pass route tree is played out ,easy to defend , so many routes ran too close together with some super basic patterns etc.. he uses some creativity on when to call pays and also formations and motions are pretty good at times but doesn't change the route trees etc , his offense does not scheme players open..IMHO

case in point OBJ did help the rams in 8 games and the playoffs. so, TY can have that type of impact.nothig spectaular but keep D more honest i believe he will be better than Brown so that helps the 3 and 4 spots just puts TY at 3 and Brown at 4.

Let's hope he can make an impact, not playing all season worries me.

 

[KJJ]

Lol

Fact! Go look at how many balls have deflected off receivers hands this season. There’s also been some miscommunication that were on the receivers. Plus Gallup hasn’t returned to form. The receivers have clearly been part of the problem, which is why we brought in TY Hilton and the OBJ talk won’t die.

 

[khiladi]

More excuses for the quarterback


Rush was winning games with Ceedee, Noah, and Simi Fehoko

Also running way less 3 WR sets and attacking downfield. Also protected the ball way better, despite the "lack of separation". Heck, we don't even know how much better the offense would have looked if Moore opened it up gradually with Rush and he started to get more reps in.

 

[Wangchung83]

The defense got gassed bc we failed to convert a single first down for 5/6 possessions. You’d be exhausted too if you weee out there running a decathalon when it should be 800m. Blame that on the offense and blame dak for separation as there is a lot more that goes into separation than just the receivers ability to run a route. This can be influenced by what the route is, timing of qb delivering accurate throws(throw behind, low, high,etc) all influence this metric. For revenge Jefferson get 3.1 vs ceedee 3.0 on separation metric which must mean they both stink or the more obvious is that Cousins and Dak are both not the best at delivering accurate passes.

 

[rambo2]

A lot has to do with the league being top heavy, I worry about strong secondaries we will face in the playoffs

A lot has to do with the Cowboys having one of the best teams in the league.

 

[charron]

Gallup can get
Open deep and is awesome at sideline catches.
If you can’t use this guy you just suck at your job

Not this year. That is what he was good at. Gallup in 2022 isn't the same player as before. He's a lazy receiver or he just doesn't trust his body this year but he no longer attacks the ball. if it doesn't come to him he ain't getting a hand on it. They don't even throw it up 20+ yards down the sideline like they used too, wonder why that is.

 

[morat1959]

Receivers, OC, HC, O-line…there’s one position on this team that will make all the excuses go away.

 

[erod]

-----WR group is probably the worst outside of the Giants

Really??? Why didn't you listen to ol' Mannix back in August when I told you that we were bottom 5 in the league??? A couple of you actually believed that we were top 5....I saw this mess coming during yet ANOTHER disastrous FA period. And this is WAY more than just letting Cooper go....which was the correct decision.

This is a good receiving corps with a QB who prefers throwing to tight ends.

 

[Cowboyny]

A lot has to do with the Cowboys having one of the best teams in the league.

The number of good teams this year might just be 5 deep, many bad teams. TB who is probably going to be at home against us, beat us soundly opening night.

 

[xwalker]

We have one legitimate receiver in CeeDee Lamb, who is starting to look like the receiver we thought we will get after drafting him. Tremendous in space.

Gallup is giving the team virtually nothing on a week to week basis. One of the worst in the entire league to gaining separation, haven't seen one deep pass stretching the field, which was his calling card. He has become a finesse, underneath receiver this season, post injury.

With Gallup's lack of production this season, Noah Brown has be forced to become the team's #2 receiver. Nothing against Brown, who has played well, but on a good team he is more of a 4th or 5th type of receiver. The team is using him as their deep threat and go to guy when teams double up Lamb. This is a total miscast.

We have gotten nothing out of James Washington since he has been activated. There is a reason why the team signed Hilton and are still chasing OBJ, as this group is probably the worse in the conference outside the Giants receivers. Our passing game is pretty much Lamb and Dalton Shultz. Something has to change or our passing offense can easily be shutdown.

I think that's an exaggeration with regards to Gallup.

His targets per game have always varied widely.
- They use him as the deep threat to run off the coverage to open things up for other receiving options.
2021: 35 catches in 9 games
2022: 31 catches in 11 games

A difference of about 1 catch per game.

He was considered very good in 2021.

The difference is that he was #3 WR in 2021 but #2 WR in 2022; therefore expectations are higher.

In 2021, even with Cooper, CeeDee and Gallup, they got contributions from 4th/5th WRs Brown & Wilson. In 2022 they don't have contributions from #4/#5.

Obviously adding an elite WR would be a good plan for the off-season because it makes the other WRs better. i.e. Gallup is better if he moves back to being #3 even if his performance does not significantly change. The question is draft or free agency. Jerry seems intent on signing a big name but it might be best if they can hit on a WR in the draft.

 

[Trendnet]

We have one legitimate receiver in CeeDee Lamb, who is starting to look like the receiver we thought we will get after drafting him. Tremendous in space.

Gallup is giving the team virtually nothing on a week to week basis. One of the worst in the entire league to gaining separation, haven't seen one deep pass stretching the field, which was his calling card. He has become a finesse, underneath receiver this season, post injury.

With Gallup's lack of production this season, Noah Brown has be forced to become the team's #2 receiver. Nothing against Brown, who has played well, but on a good team he is more of a 4th or 5th type of receiver. The team is using him as their deep threat and go to guy when teams double up Lamb. This is a total miscast.

We have gotten nothing out of James Washington since he has been activated. There is a reason why the team signed Hilton and are still chasing OBJ, as this group is probably the worse in the conference outside the Giants receivers. Our passing game is pretty much Lamb and Dalton Shultz. Something has to change or our passing offense can easily be shutdown.

Schrodinger's Offense

Terrible coaches, Terrible WR's, terrible QB

3rd in scoring.

 

[Mannix]

This is a good receiving corps with a QB who prefers throwing to tight ends.

??? This is NOT a good WR corp...in fact, it borders on terrible. Michael Irvin even said as much this morning on Dallas radio. And I haven't really seen that much out of the TE's to be honest....flashes here and there....Schultz has mostly been very average.

 

[DFWJC]

We have one legitimate receiver in CeeDee Lamb, who is starting to look like the receiver we thought we will get after drafting him. Tremendous in space.

Gallup is giving the team virtually nothing on a week to week basis. One of the worst in the entire league to gaining separation, haven't seen one deep pass stretching the field, which was his calling card. He has become a finesse, underneath receiver this season, post injury.

With Gallup's lack of production this season, Noah Brown has be forced to become the team's #2 receiver. Nothing against Brown, who has played well, but on a good team he is more of a 4th or 5th type of receiver. The team is using him as their deep threat and go to guy when teams double up Lamb. This is a total miscast.

We have gotten nothing out of James Washington since he has been activated. There is a reason why the team signed Hilton and are still chasing OBJ, as this group is probably the worse in the conference outside the Giants receivers. Our passing game is pretty much Lamb and Dalton Shultz. Something has to change or our passing offense can easily be shutdown.

Certainly not the Vikings, Bengals, Eagles, etc......
maybe bottom 10-15....certainly not bottom 2

Add in the the RB tandem and TEs and you end up with a top 5-8 supporting cast

 

[Cowboyny]

Certainly not the Vikings, Bengals, Eagles, etc......
maybe bottom 10-15....certainly not bottom 2

Add in the the RB tandem and TEs and you end up with a top 5-8 supporting cast

I was talking about the NFC playoff teams, outside the Giants, can't see another team worse then our receiving core.

 

[Cowboyny]

I think that's an exaggeration with regards to Gallup.

His targets per game have always varied widely.
- They use him as the deep threat to run off the coverage to open things up for other receiving options.
2021: 35 catches in 9 games
2022: 31 catches in 11 games

A difference of about 1 catch per game.

He was considered very good in 2021.

The difference is that he was #3 WR in 2021 but #2 WR in 2022; therefore expectations are higher.

In 2021, even with Cooper, CeeDee and Gallup, they got contributions from 4th/5th WRs Brown & Wilson. In 2022 they don't have contributions from #4/#5.

Obviously adding an elite WR would be a good plan for the off-season because it makes the other WRs better. i.e. Gallup is better if he moves back to being #3 even if his performance does not significantly change. The question is draft or free agency. Jerry seems intent on signing a big name but it might be best if they can hit on a WR in the draft.

Problem is Gallup is now being paid to be that #2 receiver and isn't producing like such. As you made a good point, we are getting nothing out of our depth at the position, compared to year's past. WR is a big need, but thinking Defensive Needs look bigger such as CB or DT.

 

[ryanbabs]

two boneheaded decisions may have doomed our season.giving a big contract to Gallup when he clearly is not ready even now and cutting Amari Cooper.

Agree 100%.

 

[Oz-of-Cowboy-Country]

Receivers, OC, HC, O-line…there’s one position on this team that will make all the excuses go away.

I don't know about that!
An QB that's going to ignore the coaches and do his own thing is what we need. So a Tony Romo or Peyton Manning type might be successful with this coaching staff. But if a QB is just going to run the plays and kills that are called...he will struggle in this system.

 

[cnuball21]

I don't get this Gallup bashing. Not that long ago, Kellen Moore was apologizing for not getting Gallup more involved in the game. Not that long ago Gallup was making some great contested catches to help the Cowboys offense. Then he has one game where Dak chose not to throw to him and all of a sudden he should be cut? What kind of crazy talk is this?

Brown had the hot hand so throwing to the hot hand is not a bad idea. On that 3rd and long, CeeDee was triple covered. Apparently Gallup was covered. So Dak went to Brown who could have made teh catch had the ball been thrown in bound a little bit. Brown had position.

The Cowboys scored 34 points. That should have been enough to win by a lot. The defense was at fault in this game more than the offense, although both share some blame. Gallup has made some big plays for Dallas in some big games.

We just have to face it, the Cowboys did not play well enough to win when it counted. It was not one player's fault.

He’s not the same guy post injury. His average yards of separation / target ranks in the 90s.

 

[morat1959]

I don't know about that!
An QB that's going to ignore the coaches and do his own thing is what we need. So a Tony Romo or Peyton Manning type might be successful with this coaching staff. But if a QB is just going to run the plays and kills that are called...he will struggle in this system.

A franchise QB changes everything. He can make up for a lot of deficiencies within an organization. I question a lot of Moore’s calls but he’s very limited with Dak.

 

[cnuball21]

Problem is Gallup is now being paid to be that #2 receiver and isn't producing like such. As you made a good point, we are getting nothing out of our depth at the position, compared to year's past. WR is a big need, but thinking Defensive Needs look bigger such as CB or DT.

Looking at NFC playoff teams only? Yea…we’re close to the bottom.

Giants are putrid…like bottom of the barrel bad.