Orlovsky ranks the impact of starting QBs

[morat1959]

Ah...ridiculing "the eye test" ...again?

Then why watch the game at all? Just read the stat lines.

You think your something else.....bad mouthing "eye test"....O Great Mr. Expert. When you do it too...I assume. It's only an issue if someone doesn't agree with you about it.

The reason they hate the eye test is they have no clue what they’re watching. They’ve got to go to those fantasy #s for everything.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

oh the levels of stupidity in this response....I mean, it just speaks for itself. I didn't have to do anything. you just do it to yourself

sure. I trust your expert eye test....because oh, you are so good at football that you are on the internet, arguing with a faceless member!!!

I didn't say you had to trust MINE...so not sure why you keep making up lies. You just make up horse hockey nobody ever said...argue THAT...and claim your victory. Then you have the nerve to lecture me about my technique on the internet?

AT least I have the respect to comment on exactly what you said. Mocking the "eye test". NFL makes BILLIONS of dollars on the "eye test"..and so do a lot of true professional experts...even if they don't agree with you.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Messes up our board? That's you and your ilk. Hey, genius, Dak is this franchise's QB whether you like it or not. Constantly whining about him day after day, month after month, year after year is not going to change that. Heed your own advice and grow up a little.

And so you don't mess it up by fighting with them?

Again...i NEVER said Dak was not our franchise QB. I NEVER said I didn't like him.

I am completely baffled why you and your twin keep making up straight up lies, arguing it...then acting all big and tough about it.

Such a similar routine I'd almost guess you were the same guy.

You complain about the whiners...while CONSTANTLY engaging them to post even MORE whining. Could be the stupidist thing I ever heard.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I didn't say you had to trust MINE...so not sure why you keep making up lies. You just make up horse hockey nobody ever said...argue THAT...and claim your victory. Then you have the nerve to lecture me about my technique on the internet?

AT least I have the respect to comment on exactly what you said. Mocking the "eye test". NFL makes BILLIONS of dollars on the "eye test"..and so do a lot of true professional experts...even if they don't agree with you.

I never called you out when I said the "eye test" yet, you chose to respond and defend the "eye test". anyone's eye test on this board is total craap. anyones. I don't trust anybody's eye test who frequents this board. pro dak, anti dak, neutral. very very very few I may have some respect for.

and dude, I never said anybody's eye test. it was intended for the pundits (such as yourself) on this board. those who are in the NFL. as you said are the experts. I trust expert eye test and its not in a passing moment of a game, while you have had 5 beers by half time and starting to slur. the experts eye test, is long hours of watching film and dissecting the plays. these NFL eye test experts, eat, drink, sleep, live eye test. they study a player to evaluate. nobody on this board is even remotely qualified for any of that.

so you digress to defend a stupid statement you made. sorry big fat fail as usual.

why do you do this to yourself? it seems you are so desparately trying to get even for something, I have no idea, so you just go on these tangent emotional based attacks without even understanding half the context. I apologize if I embarassed you, but you do it to yourself. step back. breath. take it easy, relax. its not personal.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

I never called you out when I said the "eye test" yet, you chose to respond and defend the "eye test". anyone's eye test on this board is total craap. anyones. I don't trust anybody's eye test who frequents this board. pro dak, anti dak, neutral. very very very few I may have some respect for.

and dude, I never said anybody's eye test. it was intended for the pundits (such as yourself) on this board. those who are in the NFL. as you said are the experts. I trust expert eye test and its not in a passing moment of a game, while you have had 5 beers by half time and starting to slur. the experts eye test, is long hours of watching film and dissecting the plays. these NFL eye test experts, eat, drink, sleep, live eye test. they study a player to evaluate. nobody on this board is even remotely qualified for any of that.

so you digress to defend a stupid statement you made. sorry big fat fail as usual.

why do you do this to yourself? it seems you are so desparately trying to get even for something, I have no idea, so you just go on these tangent emotional based attacks without even understanding half the context. I apologize if I embarassed you, but you do it to yourself. step back. breath. take it easy, relax. its not personal.

I have ZERO interest in what you think of me. The likes of YOU...who chase everyone down with insults...because they dont; agree with you>

You CRY and WHINE, complains and ridicule......at people who do the same exact thing as YOU.

And you think your opinion matters? Please dude.

No..... you did make up lies about me.

oh the levels of stupidity in this response....I mean, it just speaks for itself. I didn't have to do anything. you just do it to yourself

sure. I trust your expert eye test....because oh, you are so good at football that you are on the internet, arguing with a faceless member!!!

THIS...is a straight up LIE.

I rest my case your honor. IT;s right there. I NEVER said you need to trust my eye test.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I have ZERO interest in what you think of me. The likes of YOU...who chase everyone down with insults...because they dont; agree with you>

You CRY and WHINE, complains and ridicule......at people who do the same exact thing as YOU.

And you think your opinion matters? Please dude.

No..... you did make up lies about me.

THIS...is a straight up LIE.

I rest my case your honor. IT;s right there. I NEVER said you need to trust my eye test.

the likes of me? what the heck does that mean. lets be clear, you are the one who was responding to my comments, eventhough the comments were not directly to your responses. when I respond to your direct comments to me, youa re now all twisted in a not, angry that you don't care about my comments. if you don't care, then you don't have to respond. you must care enough because you are responding.

and I find your desparation amusing at best, cry and whine? you have tried attacking ridiculing out of context. you got called out on it and now you are throwing a hissy fit!...what gives?

my opinions don't matter. I never said they do. but seemingly, you are following your script again. I never said my opinions matter, its you who thinks I said that...my opinions matter as much as anybody else on this board. which is pretty much NONE.

and what lies am I making up?

and I didn't know we were in court LOL too dang funny. what's going on in your odd shaped head? hilarious. just plain hilarious. again, I am not doing this to you. you are doing it to yourself. apparantely you create a court, and we are debating a case and there was a judge....hmmm, vivid imagination or too much beer before lunch time... too dang funny. you are a curious case, george.

 

[JayFord]

Heres my only issue

Herbert is a fantastic QB.....but his overall record is always excused and his lack of playoff apperances and wins (even as only a 3 year starter) is excused

but Dak even by year 3 and by year three he had been to Two playoffs and held a 1-2 record has been slammed by the media says hes no good and cant lead a team

why is Herbert excused? its not like the chargers dont have any talent

 

[CowboyoWales]

Heres my only issue

Herbert is a fantastic QB.....but his overall record is always excused and his lack of playoff apperances and wins (even as only a 3 year starter) is excused

but Dak even by year 3 and by year three he had been to Two playoffs and held a 1-2 record has been slammed by the media says hes no good and cant lead a team

why is Herbert excused? its not like the chargers dont have any talent

QBR

 

[basel90]

You guys can’t resist. You have to talk about Dak. The point is the Chiefs did not pass their way to a SB and Eagles tried to and lost.

when the defense puts 6 in the secondary , then your offensive logic says you run . it is what winning offenses do. the chiefs obliterated the eagles defense with the pass /run balance.
back to dak. if the run game stalls. he cannot pass the team to a win.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

when the defense puts 6 in the secondary , then your offensive logic says you run . it is what winning offenses do. the chiefs obliterated the eagles defense with the pass /run balance.
back to dak. if the run game stalls. he cannot pass the team to a win.

What’s your point?

 

[khiladi]

What as Dak done in 8 years?

If Dak has anywhere near the talent level and potential of Herbert, nobody would be batting an eye. Not a single GM in the world nor Jerry, nor Mike McMarthy or any Dak jock riders would take Dak over Herbert, in fact, not even Dak would let alone Tad.

Stop this nonsense.. It’s embarrassing. Dak on the amount of year as Herbert was a laughing stock, with Quincy Carter records of futility, despite having the same offense, OC and OL, was a disaster when Zeke was suspended for 6 Games and took a week to throw a TD in training camp in his third year.

 

[khiladi]

And BTW, Dak has been a TO nightmare for years. He hasn’t gone more than 2 games since 2019 without committing a TO or some other ridiculous stat. 2020 he had 7 TOs in 4 and a half games before he broke his leg.

The more the offense requires of him, the more he’s become a walking pick 6.

 

[khiladi]

Heres my only issue

Herbert is a fantastic QB.....but his overall record is always excused and his lack of playoff apperances and wins (even as only a 3 year starter) is excused

but Dak even by year 3 and by year three he had been to Two playoffs and held a 1-2 record has been slammed by the media says hes no good and cant lead a team

why is Herbert excused? its not like the chargers dont have any talent

LOL.. Dak 2017 was one of the worst performances of a QB the whole year and without Amari Cooper couldn’t even throw the ball over 200 yards in 2018 and without Cooper still was awful throwing against zone coverage and still was being carried by the best OL and RG in the league.

Herbert had had 2 OC in 3 years, didn’t even have his Starting WRs the majority of the year last year, his OL was completely battered, he was playing with battered ribs and had one of the most inept OC in the league who was basically fired on the plane ride home.

 

[khiladi]

imagine Dak playing under an OC that ran the ball to the tune of 31-32 in the league while being the most arguably inept OC, particularly at being able to adjust at halftime….

 

[dfense]

Allens last playoff game wasnt stellar and Herberts wasn't either..and Herbert is gonna want some money real soon so what are we going off of to say "Yes" for sure? In many peoples eye Allen has a better team does he not?

Yeah, but those guys are young and getting better. Josh carries that team. He's the run game.

 

[basel90]

What’s your point?

answering your question why the chiefs ran almost as much as they passed to win the SB. It is not related to mahomes passing them into winning .

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

The reason they hate the eye test is they have no clue what they’re watching. They’ve got to go to those fantasy #s for everything.

And you have a clue when you watch? So you know more than. Professional football folks who get paid to this. You don't the difference between a cover 2 and cover 3, unless you google it and still couldn't recognize it when watching a game.....

Wow. Just wow. Now we all have to rely on the eye test from a bunch of faceless fans on an obscure forum. Laughable to say the list.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

answering your question why the chiefs ran almost as much as they passed to win the SB. It is not related to mahomes passing them into winning .

How is it not lol?

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

when the defense puts 6 in the secondary , then your offensive logic says you run . it is what winning offenses do. the chiefs obliterated the eagles defense with the pass /run balance.
back to dak. if the run game stalls. he cannot pass the team to a win.

wait, didn't you just answer your own comment. if the run game stalls, then defenses drop 6 or 7 into coverage, wouldn't it be difficult to pass then? and in the same sentence you said, run/pass balance.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

What as Dak done in 8 years?

If Dak has anywhere near the talent level and potential of Herbert, nobody would be batting an eye. Not a single GM in the world nor Jerry, nor Mike McMarthy or any Dak jock riders would take Dak over Herbert, in fact, not even Dak would let alone Tad.

Stop this nonsense.. It’s embarrassing. Dak on the amount of year as Herbert was a laughing stock, with Quincy Carter records of futility, despite having the same offense, OC and OL, was a disaster when Zeke was suspended for 6 Games and took a week to throw a TD in training camp in his third year.

Dak hasnt won a superbowl in 8 years. you want Herbert? lets go get him propose something. propose anyone else but Dak.

stop this non-sense. you have no solution, no idea and no alternative. but you whine whine whine whine incessently.

at this point you are doing nothing but bitcching for bitcching sake. btw, I can get you some cheese to go along with you whine

I swear.