Orlovsky ranks the impact of starting QBs

[Rockport]

Rock you are talking to me, not some idiot that does not know how route combos and the like. Not seeing the safety coming over is what it is as is missing the LB running underneath.

I think he did see the safety and was just trying to make a play with the talent he had.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I think he did see the safety and was just trying to make a play with the talent he had.

Then he willfully through into well positioned high/low coverage which is a monumentally bad choice as the defense has all the leverage.

 

[Rockport]

Then he willfully through into well positioned high/low coverage which is a monumentally bad choice as the defense has all the leverage.

Yeah, he did, but like I said, he had no choice.

 

[Techsass]

Any quarterback ranking thread is ALWAYS going to turn into a debate on Dak.

Not just QB threads. I've seen defense threads become Dak good/bad threads.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Yeah, he did, but like I said, he had no choice.

Throwing the ball away is an infinitely better choice. The odds for a turnover are simply too high.

 

[Rockport]

Throwing the ball away is an infinitely better choice. The odds for a turnover are simply too high.

Sure, if you’ve given up.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Sure, if you’ve given up.

As if that was the only read. Hey if you want to pretend Dak doesn't make mistakes then go for it.

 

[Rockport]

As if that was the only read. Hey if you want to pretend Dak doesn't make mistakes then go for it.

Never said that. Dak makes mistakes like all QB’s do. He doesn’t get criticized like he does here outside CZ. I wish some smart person would write a thesis.

 

[basel90]

I’m not dancing around anything Dak is coming off his worst season and Jalen had a MVP level season. Common sense says Jalen was better. You are trying to deflect because your point is irrelevant. The Chiefs did not pass to win a SB. They relied heavily on the run game and the Eagles passed to the point of having Hurts pass too much and of course he fumbles for a touchdown.

Glad you acknowledged that hurts is better , despite his limited nfl experience compared to a 8 year descending and expensive Dak .
to the second point , the eagles lost because their defense didn’t manage to stop the chiefs . The offense scored enough to win .
the chiefs won because they had tremendous balance , around the same pass to rush yardage .
mahomes by the way still threw 3 touchdowns and no Intreceptions. the chiefs offense will take what the other defense will give them .

back to Dak . If the run game stalls , he is toast . Actually Dak’s best 2 years at the beginnin of his career were mostly due to a dominant OL and run game . Not Dak’s abilities . When the OL and zeke dwindled , dak ‘s inabilities became obvious.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

He threw into coverage. He threw inaccurate passes. Receivers ran wrong routes, gave up on routes, screwed up at the top of the route, etc. The offense was a predictable with poor disguise on play action and constant curls and deeps in/out that made us very predictable.

What concerns me is how he started throwing into coverage. It was like he was not seeing coverage and getting fooled whereas before that was not a problem. The moves that they have made look to address that concern so I cannot complain.

This ^^^^^ I have said before, it's like he didn't care. Like he lost confidence in his teammates and/or plays called. If you didn't know better, you would think his attitude was he knew certain plays wouldn't work but ran them anyway out of frustration. Just me, I will never forget the final drive against the 49ers. We STILL had a chance but his composure and body language showed no fight or will to win......like he was already broke.

 

[NotForLong]

Turnover worthy plays.

Allen had 13 total fumbles. Fumbles lost is irrelevant.

Don't talk about coming correct. Allen was unequivocally more turnover prone.

Good hustle, good effort.

I'm going to just keep posting this one every time someone mentions Dak's INTs

Although it is one of Dak's better throws . . . it was slightly behind the Receiver. . . In year 8 He is gonna have to work on that, especially in a West Coast offense

 

[NotForLong]

This ^^^^^ I have said before, it's like he didn't care. Like he lost confidence in his teammates and/or plays called. If you didn't know better, you would think his attitude was he knew certain plays wouldn't work but ran them anyway out of frustration. Just me, I will never forget the final drive against the 49ers. We STILL had a chance but his composure and body language showed no fight or will to win......like he was already broke.

Wow wowie wow wow . . . Poor poor Dak . . . Who knew it was Kellen's play calling that finally broke Superman

People find all kinds of ways to lie to themselves about This Man

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Glad you acknowledged that hurts is better , despite his limited nfl experience compared to a 8 year descending and expensive Dak .
to the second point , the eagles lost because their defense didn’t manage to stop the chiefs . The offense scored enough to win .
the chiefs won because they had tremendous balance , around the same pass to rush yardage .
mahomes by the way still threw 3 touchdowns and no Intreceptions. the chiefs offense will take what the other defense will give them .

back to Dak . If the run game stalls , he is toast . Actually Dak’s best 2 years at the beginnin of his career were mostly due to a dominant OL and run game . Not Dak’s abilities . When the OL and zeke dwindled , dak ‘s inabilities became obvious.

You guys can’t resist. You have to talk about Dak. The point is the Chiefs did not pass their way to a SB and Eagles tried to and lost.

 

[GINeric]

I’m more of a Dak guy than most but even I will call BS on this.

Josh had 14 ints. in nearly 600 attempts.

Dak had 15 ints. in a little less than 400 attempts.

Allen lost 8 fumbles during the 22 season while rushing 128 times and being sacked 33 times.

Dak lost 4 Fumbles on 45 attempts and being sacked only 20 times.

In what world do these numbers equate to Josh Allen being more turnover prone than Dak? You Gotta be correct when you make statements like this.

Who had a better offensive coordinator and receiving corp, Allen or Dak.... I'll wait.

 

[Momanpr100]

Amazing how many excuses you all make for your hero. It's always someone's else's fault that makes him look so bad.

LOL, he has already peaked and reaching 30, ain't gonna get better. Less mobility, less accuracy, less arm, less guts Can't put it anymore simpler than that. You all throw everyone under the bus...the OL, the receivers, the OC....LOL...amazing.

I don't know what thread you're reading, but most excuses are for Herbert, Allen and Hurts. Who you kidding? Majority on here can't stand Dak lol.

 

[Momanpr100]

Sure, if you’ve given up.

Nah, throwing the ball aways is not a give up play, it's a smart play.

 

[coult44]

Who had a better offensive coordinator and receiving corp, Allen or Dak.... I'll wait.

Buffalo had the 8th ranked group in the league last year. Dallas had the 12th. You couldn’t blame 3–4 pics that Dak had in WR’s but guess what. You can blame 3-4 pics that Josh had in his receivers also. This doesn’t tilt the argument one way or the other. The bottom line is the post being debated is still wrong. Josh Allen was NOT more turnover prone than Dak Prescott last season.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Never said that. Dak makes mistakes like all QB’s do. He doesn’t get criticized like he does here outside CZ. I wish some smart person would write a thesis.

Sure seems like it when the guy makes about the worst read possible and you are looking at any and everyone else to blame.

 

[Rockport]

Nah, throwing the ball aways is not a give up play, it's a smart play.

Depends on the play.

 

[Rockport]

Sure seems like it when the guy makes about the worst read possible and you are looking at any and everyone else to blame.

Worst read possible says who?