ProFootballNetwork ranks Dak 6

[Mac_MaloneV1]

They can be taken seriously because the results speak for themselves. Dak shrivels up when the prospect of winning in the divisional round shows up just like Romo.

Go through 10 quarterbacks you think are better and tell us how they've done in the divisional round. Should be pretty easy if it's so obvious.

 

[Techsass]

Just lazy people that’s a big problem when people talk football….lazy people with lazy opinions.

That's why I love CZ. The one thing I'm good at is LAZY...just ask my wife & her Honeydo lists.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

They can be taken seriously because the results speak for themselves. Dak shrivels up when the prospect of winning in the divisional round shows up just like Romo.

This is silly…how many guys have had success in the olwuorfs? Who can even get to a divisional round? Aaron Rodgers couldn’t even beat the Lions to get into the playoffs lol.

 

[jazzcat22]

Finally a list that has overrated overhyped Jackson below Dak. But Jackson is still too high.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Go through 10 quarterbacks you think are better and tell us how they've done in the divisional round. Should be pretty easy if it's so obvious.

Exactly lol. These guys are so use to being anti Dak they don’t even realize what comes out of their mouth. Trevor Lawrence better than Dak even though he put up 25 and 8….what Dak did his rookie year lol.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Finally a list that has overrated overhyped Jackson below Dak. But Jackson is still too high.

If people want to talk about great football players I will bring up Lamar….but as far as quarterbacking goes? Lamar wouldn’t see my top 10.

 

[gimmesix]

I think that's totally fair...he's got a fairly wide range from 5 ish to 15ish ...but I'd say he's at least above average.

I'd put him closer to 10 with upside but I think the people saying he's terrible or not an NFL starter are very off base

That's close how I feel. There's a group there that you can move around depending on the year. I'm more 6 to 10 with Dak, but I could see him bumping off one of those listed ahead of him depending on how things go.

 

[Nav22]

Rankings mean nothing.

The QB position in the NFL is the worst it's been in my lifetime. It's embarrassing.

Sure it is.

John Elway won MVP while throwing for 19 TD and 12 INT.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Sure it is.

John Elway won MVP while throwing for 19 TD and 12 INT.

People want me to believe Joe Namath and Terry Bradshaw were great quarterbacks lol.

 

[DogFace]

6th worst would be about right....

Are you the one that insisted Kellen would be a good NFL QB?

 

[Nav22]

People want me to believe Joe Namath and Terry Bradshaw were great quarterbacks lol.

Old heads ALWAYS believe things were better "back in my day" and they're almost always wrong.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

 

[pansophy]

Pretty disgusting. No other QB gets disrespected as much as Dak. I get it on the "no championship runs/can't advance in the playoffs thingy. But he is always a formidable opponent for the enemy to deal with.

Cowboys can win a championship with him as a starting QB. We need crisper routes by our receivers and a different passing scheme to change things up a bit. I think the KM offense did him no favors.

I think 2023 is going to be a great year for the COWBOYS ! I'm pumped for the season.

Anyone saying Dak is not top 10 cannot be taken seriously.
No QB has led a higher scoring average per start over the last 3 seasons.
And the guy in 2nd is Mahomes.

This pretty much sums up the whole thing. Within 4 posts of each other someone points out that no QB has a led their offense to more points than Dak in the last 3 years and yet somehow Kellen Moore's offense didn't do him any favors.

So McCarthy has essentially already said he is fine with fewer points if that means better ball control (TOP / fewer turnovers / better-rested defense). Let's just say that formula works and we win a super bowl then Dak is viewed as a bus driver who was on a great team and if we have a season that 31 other teams have then McCarthy gets fired and Dak is a loser who should have been replaced years ago.

So much of a guy's story gets written early on. Romo was far and away better than Eli, but Eli has a shot at the HOF with very average stats because he was the number 1 pick and won two super bowls off of the Giant's pass rush. The whole thing is kind of dumb.

Any QB in the top 10-15 can win a super bowl with the right guys around them. Jones' insistence on overpaying guys and focusing on starter quality at the expense of depth is the reason we haven't won in so long. We are awesome for the first few weeks until invariably starters begin to go down with injuries (or off-field suspensions) and the guys behind them are borderline players. That's what has killed us for so long.

 

[Redline360]

Nonsense. This is the best way to tell people who don't know what they're talking about.





Dak is demonstrably superior to Cousins in every way.

I can also cherry pick certain stats too. Talk about lazy ways of looking at stuff. Beyond silly approach without looking at the bigger picture.

Comparing them since 2016. Yes dak was a rookie and learning so not exactly the best comparison but...

Dak has had a vastly superior supporting cast around him his entire career . Vikings OL was complete trash from 2018-2021 ranking in the mid to low 20s. 2017 ranked 14th and last year was either 18 or 19 I believe(which still sucks). Dak also benifits from a superior run game bar the 2020 season.

Cousins has better comp %, td %, and better qbr. Y/A and AY/A the same along with a couple other stats. Dak is superior in less turnover and turnerver %.

Playoffs Cousins has better QBR and Comp%

This all playing behind a vastly inferior OL. Trust me I hate arguing the "stats" approach and don't think either quarterback is going to lead their team to a superbowl on their shoulders.

I too can find memes or twitter posts suggesting certain cherry picked stats that show he's superior to even mahomes.

 

[starfan1]

Exactly lol. These guys are so use to being anti Dak they don’t even realize what comes out of their mouth. Trevor Lawrence better than Dak even though he put up 25 and 8….what Dak did his rookie year lol.

Im a Dak guy but to be fair Trevor didnt exactly come into the situation dak did.Its kind of not the same. And if someone asked me right now if Id swap Trevor for Dak without losing draft capital I think I would. His potential vs daks ceiling is night and day.

That said Im not certain he belongs that high on the list but these list are useless

 

[starfan1]

Are you the one that insisted Kellen would be a good NFL QB?

Yep that would be him

 

[Mac_MaloneV1]

I can also cherry pick certain stats too. Talk about lazy ways of looking at stuff. Beyond silly approach without looking at the bigger picture.

Comparing them since 2016. Yes dak was a rookie and learning so not exactly the best comparison but...

Dak has had a vastly superior supporting cast around him his entire career . Vikings OL was complete trash from 2018-2021 ranking in the mid to low 20s. 2017 ranked 14th and last year was either 18 or 19 I believe(which still sucks). Dak also benifits from a superior run game bar the 2020 season.

Cousins has better comp %, td %, and better qbr. Y/A and AY/A the same along with a couple other stats. Dak is superior in less turnover and turnerver %.

Playoffs Cousins has better QBR and Comp%

This all playing behind a vastly inferior OL. Trust me I hate arguing the "stats" approach and don't think either quarterback is going to lead their team to a superbowl on their shoulders.

I too can find memes or twitter posts suggesting certain cherry picked stats that show he's superior to even mahomes.

These are the lazy stats I'm talking about and aren't all even correct. Big picture is that Cousins has been in the league forever and actually done LESS than Dak.

Completion % is not a valid QB stat because it doesn't account for drops or separation, especially in comparison to turnover-worthy plays. It's a team stat and totally irrelevant.
Td% is scheme dependent and totally irrelevant (the difference in their career is .1% anyway).
QBR: Dak - 65.7 Kirk - 57.2

The idea that Dak has had superior teams is laughably dumb. He's never had talent like Diggs/Theilen and the Dallas OL being good is a total, complete myth since 2018.

I didn't post memes, they're just easier to share from Twitter. Those are data that account for when the game is difficult - third down and under pressure. If all other things are equal, that is the largest differentiator.

Just a totally stupid argument.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Im a Dak guy but to be fair Trevor didnt exactly come into the situation dak did.Its kind of not the same. And if someone asked me right now if Id swap Trevor for Dak without losing draft capital I think I would. His potential vs daks ceiling is night and day.

That said Im not certain he belongs that high on the list but these list are useless

I get it. I’m not knocking Lawrence. He has the potential to be top 3 in the league. But he’s not there yet and I’m just bringing up the hypocrisy of this whole debate. We constantly come up with all these reasons for why he’s not top 10
And we don’t do that for any other quarterback.

As far as situations go….Dak came into a great offensive line but hardly a great team. Jags have top 5 picks all over there and they’ve built a good team around him.

 

[doomsday9084]

I disagree with those saying that the QB position is weak right now. IMO, its the opposite. There are so many guys that can throw the football that they all blend together and only a few stand out.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2003/passing.htm

There is the QB list from 20 years ago. Guys like John Kitna, Chad Pennington, Tommy Maddox, etc. were NOT good QB's. The median passer rating that year was 79.6. Last year was 91.1. Rules changes have inflated that some but that's not all of it. A lot of the improvement is simply a lot more passing being done at lower levels of football with more athletic people being given the option to play the position.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I can also cherry pick certain stats too. Talk about lazy ways of looking at stuff. Beyond silly approach without looking at the bigger picture.

Comparing them since 2016. Yes dak was a rookie and learning so not exactly the best comparison but...

Dak has had a vastly superior supporting cast around him his entire career . Vikings OL was complete trash from 2018-2021 ranking in the mid to low 20s. 2017 ranked 14th and last year was either 18 or 19 I believe(which still sucks). Dak also benifits from a superior run game bar the 2020 season.

Cousins has better comp %, td %, and better qbr. Y/A and AY/A the same along with a couple other stats. Dak is superior in less turnover and turnerver %.

Playoffs Cousins has better QBR and Comp%

This all playing behind a vastly inferior OL. Trust me I hate arguing the "stats" approach and don't think either quarterback is going to lead their team to a superbowl on their shoulders.

I too can find memes or twitter posts suggesting certain cherry picked stats that show he's superior to even mahomes.

Well one thing you can’t cherry pick or argue against and that’s Cousins is 11-20 in prime time games…..