There's only 2 correct answers at QB

[baltcowboy]

I'm ready to move on from Dak if there is a QB in the next few years who is guaranteed to be better than he could ever be at his highest potential. But also have questions about how Stephen and Jerry would go about drafting the next QB. Would they just try to select a QB from the highest graded college prospects who experts give the best chances to become elite level or next to elite level NFL franchise QBs. Or would they in believing their way is the best way to go about trying to win a Super Bowl. try to be different and draft a lower graded or later round QB, thinking he has just enough talent to be able to still win enough games to keep the Cowboys relevant?

I ask this because of Stephen saying how their way of going "all in" is different from how the rest of the NFL does it. So wondering if this would translate in the process of how they'll draft the next QB. Especially if they are looking to save as much money as possible in the future. And figure they can do so by drafting a QB in the later round since contracts get less expensive the later a rookie player is drafted.

Dak has to be Troy Aikman and Roger Stauback for some of you guys to back him. He is better than Romo and he just entered his quarterback prime. Dak is an elite quarterback he just is not Mahomes.

 

[pansophy]

I agree. That's why the entire situation is stupid.

Go ahead. Cut Dak, so you can see what you have in Trance.

Extend Dak and Trance walks.

What was the point of the trade???

It’s a backup plan in case Dak’s number is not one we can live with. If we extend him then you’ll know we don’t need the backup plan.

 

[Creeper]

1) Extend Dak.
2) Cut or trade Dak and start Trey Lance in 2024 to see what you got.

If they start Dak without extending him just to move on after the season, it will be the incorrect answer.

It really is this simple, although I understand why the Cowboys are taking so much time making the decision. If they are intent on extending Dak then they should get it done already. The longer they take, the more it is going to cost them. Waiting was the mistake they made with his current contract. On the other hand, what if they already have an inkling of how much Dak wants, and it is $60 million? For me, this is a big fat "NO". That kind of money would cripple this team for another 4 or 5 years. At $60 million, I am out on Dak. I don't care if it means a rebuild or 10 more years of losing. Why would anyone pay Dak $60 million when they won't pay an impact DT $27 million? or a RB $4 million?

My other question is why are they waiting to extend CeeDee? That should have been done already too. Or is CeeDee looking for $30 million or more? This would be a mistake as well. CeeDee is a really good receiver, but I am not paying him $30 million. With Micah coming due for a new contract, we are looking at half the CAP used on 3 players. We will never win a Super Bowl that way.

If Dak and CeeDee are looking for that kind of money they the best thing the Cowboys can do is trade them for draft picks now and move on.

 

[jterrell]

I have zero idea why people waste their time posting the silliest stuff.

It is OK to feel these were the only two options but it is clear it is NOT the option they chose today.
They paid him a 5M bonus at midnight. They are not cutting him this year. His teammates would revolt.
You think the vets want to see what we have in Trey Lance? LOL..
Be serious.

They reportedly aren't even talking contract at this point much less release.
They will play this thing out in typical Cowboys fashion running it down to the wire with silly reports up until the deal is done.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Dak has to be Troy Aikman and Roger Stauback for some of you guys to back him. He is better than Romo and he just entered his quarterback prime. Dak is an elite quarterback he just is not Mahomes.

Um...no...Dak is NOT better than Romo.

Here's where you give the stats, right? Knock yourself out.

 

[zrinkill]

Man you need to chill. They probably win 12 games again.

And be one and done in playoffs ....... whoopie

 

[jterrell]

The Lance thing isn't complicated.
You negotiate with HIM to early extend.
He knows he isn't getting his 22M picked up.
But he could get a nice 2 or 3-year deal with GTD cash in it.
At 3 for 22 Dallas has lot more time and Lance has a lot more GTD money.

But HIM you probably should wait until TC because you get to see him perform some more.

 

[Flamma]

1) Extend Dak.
2) Cut or trade Dak and start Trey Lance in 2024 to see what you got.

If they start Dak without extending him just to move on after the season, it will be the incorrect answer.

Why would the third choice be incorrect? Why would it be worse than cutting or trading him? Why can't they let him play out this year and extend him afterwards? Just curious.

 

[jterrell]

Um...no...Dak is NOT better than Romo.

Here's where you give the stats, right? Knock yourself out.

I defended Romo from haters his entire career.
So we can start there. YET.....
Dak is just now entering his prime and has a better win %, higher completion %, more passing yards per game, more TD passing per game. Less INT per game, higher passer rating. Insanely more effective as a runner.
He has been wildly more productive in the playoffs where Romo was just plain ineffective accounting for only 8 total TDs in 6 games(Dak has 18 TDs in 7 games).
Romo was robbed of about 3-5 prime years by a bad back.
It isn't his fault; but it very much stunted his apex.
And he was much rawer than Dak when he entered the league having done so from a small school.
He is also just physically smaller and slower. Though he had elite pocket escapism.
Had Patrick Crayton caught a pass that hit his hands we might be having a very different conversation but that is the fickle nature of the NFL.
The biggest play of his career died on an undrafted WR's hands.
The 2nd biggest died with an awful call where Dez took 5 steps and made 3 football moves but was called incomplete.

And yes we were so bad at QB before Romo that he was like manna from heaven.
Thats why I caution fans now.
It is not easy to get to this level of QB.
It takes luck OR continued tanking with elite evaluation.
Of the last 5 QBs selected 1 overall only 1 is clearly better than Dak.

I do not want to sink 60M of cap space into Dak any more than others, but I also am realistic about the alternatives.

 

[jterrell]

Why would the third choice be incorrect? Why would it be worse than cutting or trading him? Why can't they let him play out this year and extend him afterwards? Just curious.

Of course they can.
And they can do so with a fairly fresh cap counter having eaten 61M of the previous deal already.
Meaning his 2026 cap number could look pretty low for a franchise QB making a zillion dollars a year.

But it is a dangerous game to play because there's zero reason for Dak to extend before hitting free agency and getting wined and dined and 69Million per year.

 

[DandyDon52]

I agree. That's why the entire situation is stupid.

Go ahead. Cut Dak, so you can see what you have in Trance.

Extend Dak and Trance walks.

What was the point of the trade???

No point lol SF caught jerry alone in office, and told him they had a 1st round pick on sale for a 4th round pick , and jerry bought him! lol
Cant pass up a deal like that !

So now trance is in jerrys qb school of champions , and is a learn on the job employee for 5 mil a year !

 

[blueblood70]

1) Extend Dak.
2) Cut or trade Dak and start Trey Lance in 2024 to see what you got.

If they start Dak without extending him just to move on after the season, it will be the incorrect answer.

I'm sorry I'm taking #3 that your post is ridiculous,

it's too late and it's not a mistake to let Prescott play out his final season here under his current contract we are already where we're at this suggestion would have been before free agency started they would have had to make this decision already it's too late so now try to cut Prescott or trade him first of all he can't be traded unless he approves teams are already filled most of their positions you have to start this process in February put out the feelers and let Prescott look for a team but most of the movement around quarterback has already been made and trying to put Trey Lance in there are you trying to tank no the best option is to keep Prescott either just for this year or extend them out eventually but right now we're rolling this year at Prescott so you all need to stop the nonsense you are not GM's you're not professionals this is a really bad idea...

Again do I need to say it louder it's a bad idea because it's too late all the free agents hot beginning the movement the trades for quarterback have already been made there's so much less options now and Trey Lance just shouldn't be handed the reins you should make him the number two this year even if it's Prescott's last year and they can find a way to play with his big cap hit you let Trey Lance get all the number 2 snaps in practice in games that are blowouts you let him come in and play you give him all the preseason starts you cut Cooper rush and you let Trey Lance get every opportunity he can to be on the field when we don't need Prescott out and practice and all that that's what you do you let Trey get as much work behind Prescott as he can and then he's a 2025 option unless he looks so bad that we have to start fresh in 2025....

But yes this idea was bad as soon as you hit reply it is not a good idea now where we're at in free agency and the draft around the corner it's too late you don't cut a guy and eat $65 million yeah only one team has ever done that and that would be Russell Wilson and the Denver Broncos and and in my opinion also a dumb idea and that's 85 million you're basically throwing the season away if you do this at least you have your starting quarterback this year with the window open for one year that is what you do that is what they are doing so please keep the amateurish ideas start out with it's a dream sequence...​

 

[blueblood70]

Of course they can.
And they can do so with a fairly fresh cap counter having eaten 61M of the previous deal already.
Meaning his 2026 cap number could look pretty low for a franchise QB making a zillion dollars a year.

But it is a dangerous game to play because there's zero reason for Dak to extend before hitting free agency and getting wined and dined and 69Million per year.

That's just the way the cookie crumbles with free agency you let the guy prove himself with Mike McCarthy I like #3 you let him play out his contract and then you guys decide if you wanna stay partners if he wants to be a cowboy and you sign him or he gets to be wined and dine who cares really if you want to get rid of him anyway why are we worried about losing him but I do want at least to have one more shot this year with him and it's good at Rogers they can assemble to make one last run the windows open for this year... The fact that both can move on free and clear after the year if they choose to do so is actually a nice option to have and if he's clearly a Dallas cowboy and wants to stay here they'll find a way to workout a new deal even if he is a free agent at least they'll know what he's worth I mean is that what you're scared of what why is this place scared to let him be a real free agent and get offers from other teams because they think that I don't know Prescott's trash that's what people say around here football he ain't gonna be trashed if he has seven teams offer him $69,000,000 a year and he leaves and then the reality I'll hit these a lot better quarterback then most fans think he is because the fans around here that are haters believe we should only pay them $35 million but other teams are gonna offer him a Max deal once he's a real free agent then the reality can sink in that maybe you should have been a little bit nicer to Prescott cause he's not the only reason we've been falling short in the playoffs....

 

[Havic]

100% on board with trading him, he will get to pick his destination if he waives the no trade clause

 

[Dalmations202]

And then there is option 4: which might be the best option anyway.
1) Consider the money owed Dak as a sunk cost, it is going to cost that either way
2) Draft a QB in the first or second round
3) After having Dak, Trey Lance, and draft QB in camp -- start the negotiations with Dak.
Dak has two options then.....negotiate for a lower amount, or do like he did last time and try to get every dime he can.
Jerry then has three options, pay him, trade him with his approval which he probably would then agree to, or tell the coach to pick one of the other two as the starter, benching Dak.

How much money would Dak lose if he lost his starting job to a young QB and his age getting up there? Especially if they actually won with a differing QB.
What kind of trade value would Dak have, to Dallas, if some team wanted to utilize him this year because their QB got hurt, and Dallas had him sitting on the bench.

Power and leverage could shift quickly from Dak having all of it, to Dallas commanding much more with a 1st/2nd round draft pick.

Let's say Dak sees this and signs a "descent" deal. You still have a future QB with a year or two to learn the system, and you can move any of them for draft picks at that point.

I take option 4 and get a high draft pick QB, and then see where the dominos fall. Worse case for Dallas is they cave in to Dak and get more mediocre teams ticking off the fan base.

 

[baltcowboy]

Um...no...Dak is NOT better than Romo.

Here's where you give the stats, right? Knock yourself out.

Stats. Wins-losses, playoff appearances…..Women. I would take Dak.

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

I defended Romo from haters his entire career.
So we can start there. YET.....
Dak is just now entering his prime and has a better win %, higher completion %, more passing yards per game, more TD passing per game. Less INT per game, higher passer rating. Insanely more effective as a runner.
He has been wildly more productive in the playoffs where Romo was just plain ineffective accounting for only 8 total TDs in 6 games(Dak has 18 TDs in 7 games).
Romo was robbed of about 3-5 prime years by a bad back.
It isn't his fault; but it very much stunted his apex.
And he was much rawer than Dak when he entered the league having done so from a small school.
He is also just physically smaller and slower. Though he had elite pocket escapism.
Had Patrick Crayton caught a pass that hit his hands we might be having a very different conversation but that is the fickle nature of the NFL.
The biggest play of his career died on an undrafted WR's hands.
The 2nd biggest died with an awful call where Dez took 5 steps and made 3 football moves but was called incomplete.

And yes we were so bad at QB before Romo that he was like manna from heaven.
Thats why I caution fans now.
It is not easy to get to this level of QB.
It takes luck OR continued tanking with elite evaluation.
Of the last 5 QBs selected 1 overall only 1 is clearly better than Dak.

I do not want to sink 60M of cap space into Dak any more than others, but I also am realistic about the alternatives.

Thank you for your detailed clarification.

I didnt read every word yet....dont have that kind of time. If all things were equal...id say using stats is fine. In this case they arent and a deeper dive might be required to compare.

You have no clue what other qbs can di with this team. Nobody does. However...you do seem to be afraid to make any moves because it might not be better tgan what we have.
What would it take?

 

[Chasing6]

To be fair, we don't know how many teams knew they were trading Lance. Jerry snatched him up as soon as they called him.

Not even close to being accurate.

 

[Runwildboys]

Not even close to being accurate.

Really, so what really happened?

 

[MikeT22]

Difference is Lance has now trained under 2 different organizations. Hold a private workout for several trade suitors. Take it from there. Cowboys need a mid round pick badly for next month's draft. Trade Trey Lance now before he becomes a free agent after this year.

There’s no way Jerry is going to give up on Lance when he hasn’t even hit the field yet in a Cowboys uni, not even in a preaseason game.

And again, no way anyone would give up a 4th or higher for him now with his last action still being as a 49er, especially with him becoming a FA after this season and his contract situation.