Different kind of Dak thread

[CowboyoWales]

If a fan suggests we move on from Dak, they aren't a Dak fan. Dak deserves to get paid and the FO has his pay day earmarked. Get over it.

But that doesnt make the fan a 'Hater'. Again, you're actually confirming the OP, that there isnt a rational reason behind the pro-Dak stance of signing him for whatever he wants.

 

[kskboys]

But that doesnt make the fan a 'Hater'. Again, you're actually confirming the OP, that there isnt a rational reason behind the pro-Dak stance of signing him for whatever he wants.

And then ask, why does Dak deserve to "get paid"? He's already received generational wealth, and then failed miserably. What makes him deserving of yet another huge payday?

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Eh I’m not so sure I think he could’ve been prema banned for it. Especially if there could’ve been any hint of a legal entanglement from the forum owners perspective. There are things you can tolerate, but hunting down a fellow forum member is one they probably don’t tolerate.

I suppose you could very well be right.

I'm saying the NAME Gin might not be here. But...

 

[SteveTheCowboy]

Excellent 'Two like' post. For me i'd add that our immediate focus should be on an O-Line, which will aid 'any' QB, the 'true' stretegic point to Moneyball, creating the sum via it's parts, not thr from individual.....after all where would Dak be now if he wasnt introduced to the NFL behind the 2016 O-Line (and supported by Zeke behind him).

I used to think Eli Manning was the luckiest athletes ever. With that team...the HUGE o-line, couple bruiser RBs, WR's that flat out chased the ball wherever Eli heaved it. And of course a good defense.

But 2016 Dak gives him a run for his money. I'm willing to bet Eli HERE....might've gotten us that super bowl...even though I dislike the guy...have to admit, he got the ring.

 

[Motorola]

I used to think Eli Manning was the luckiest athletes ever. With that team...the HUGE o-line, couple bruiser RBs, WR's that flat out chased the ball wherever Eli heaved it. And of course a good defense.

But 2016 Dak gives him a run for his money. I'm willing to bet Eli HERE....might've gotten us that super bowl...even though I dislike the guy...have to admit, he got the ring.

Eli got two rings.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

And then ask, why does Dak deserve to "get paid"? He's already received generational wealth, and then failed miserably. What makes him deserving of yet another huge payday?

what makes any QB in NFL worthy or deserving of a huge pay day? outside of Mahomes, Probably Burrows. anybody else accomplished anything they deserve? I assume you are basing this on results. right?

I am not saying that Dak deserves it. that's not the point. its a QB market question for NFL

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I used to think Eli Manning was the luckiest athletes ever. With that team...the HUGE o-line, couple bruiser RBs, WR's that flat out chased the ball wherever Eli heaved it. And of course a good defense.

But 2016 Dak gives him a run for his money. I'm willing to bet Eli HERE....might've gotten us that super bowl...even though I dislike the guy...have to admit, he got the ring.

nobody would get cowboys superbowl. its just wishful thinking on cowboys fans because they are tired of the same crap for 30 years. if we can't have hope, dreams or fantasies for the team, what else we have. certainly real results have been awful

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

But that doesnt make the fan a 'Hater'. Again, you're actually confirming the OP, that there isnt a rational reason behind the pro-Dak stance of signing him for whatever he wants.

I mean it’s clear who the haters are. There are people who critique Dak and then there are those who simply offer nothing to the discussion. I’m not sure why you or others like to bundle both groups together but I mean just look at the Dak accusation thread. There are posters who seem to be happy he’s accused of rape. But y’all want us to believe it’s not personal or they aren’t a hater? It’s sick.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

nobody would get cowboys superbowl. its just wishful thinking on cowboys fans because they are tired of the same crap for 30 years. if we can't have hope, dreams or fantasies for the team, what else we have. certainly real results have been awful

It’s crazy all these years people argued me down about Eli and Romo….now Eli would’ve won us a SB in 2016 lol….just some weird and awful takes lol.

 

[Motorola]

I used to think Eli Manning was the luckiest athletes ever. With that team...the HUGE o-line, couple bruiser RBs, WR's that flat out chased the ball wherever Eli heaved it. And of course a good defense.

But 2016 Dak gives him a run for his money. I'm willing to bet Eli HERE....might've gotten us that super bowl...even though I dislike the guy...have to admit, he got the ring.

Out of 14 full seasons as QB1 (became starter halfway through his rookie year, and only started 4 games in his 16th and final year), Eli only missed ONE game (in 2017) from 2005 - 2018.
In those 14 seasons, only 6 playoff appearances, and 4 of those postseasons were "one and done" = 0-1.
But the other two playoffs resulted in 4-0 runs, which got them two NFL championships.

 

[kskboys]

what makes any QB in NFL worthy or deserving of a huge pay day? outside of Mahomes, Probably Burrows. anybody else accomplished anything they deserve? I assume you are basing this on results. right?

I am not saying that Dak deserves it. that's not the point. its a QB market question for NFL

Not really. I base it on the play. And the play at key times. In this case, after watching Dak's horrific play in the playoffs, I do not see how he "deserves to get paid." Unless you're using that term not in the general sense, and are thinking in the 35 mil range.

Maybe it's just that I don't agree w/ this very strange "Next man up" thingie the NFL has going on now.

 

[kskboys]

I mean it’s clear who the haters are. There are people who critique Dak and then there are those who simply offer nothing to the discussion. I’m not sure why you or others like to bundle both groups together but I mean just look at the Dak accusation thread. There are posters who seem to be happy he’s accused of rape. But y’all want us to believe it’s not personal or they aren’t a hater? It’s sick.

Absolutely. However, the actual number of haters and lovers is very small. I don't understand the need to concentrate on this small number in so many threads.

 

[kskboys]

It’s crazy all these years people argued me down about Eli and Romo….now Eli would’ve won us a SB in 2016 lol….just some weird and awful takes lol.

Eli was mostly bad in the playoffs. Even in one of his super bowl years, he was terrible vs SF and kept getting bailed out by Kyle Williams' fumbles.

 

[buybuydandavis]

Excellent 'Two like' post. For me i'd add that our immediate focus should be on an O-Line, which will aid 'any' QB, the 'true' stretegic point to Moneyball, creating the sum via it's parts, not thr from individual.....after all where would Dak be now if he wasnt introduced to the NFL behind the 2016 O-Line (and supported by Zeke behind him).

I'm often a fan of taking a C early. Thought last year was the year to take a big, athletic C/G who was still something of a project. He'd have a year to get up to speed and we'd have a year to evaluate him.
This year, we're practically forced to take C in the 1st if we want starting quality.

But I wonder. If the goal this year is to get Dak to ask for a trade, refusing to backfill Biadasz with a competent C would be a nice added shove in the back to Dak.

"where would Dak be now w/o the 2016 oline + Zeke?"

Yep. Could have ended up a career backup. As Romo could have. Maybe even Brady. This is not a dig at any of them. This is respect for the downroster QBs across the league who *don't* get the chance. So easy to get cut, and then bounce around the league learning new systems and never really get the snaps to do it.

Cooper is PS level as a talent. But sticking with us for years turned him into a good backup bus driver. If he had bounced around the league, maybe he never even makes a game day roster.

I've been convinced for years that there are a lot more competent QBs out there than there are starting slots for them to fill. Hence my reticence for the team signing Dak to big money. And I actually think he's pretty close, and has a decent shot of making it over the hump.

But my preferred strategy is to keep cheap QBs coming, particularly ones that can run, and have them run to bump up their on the field production. If we're not in the hole for 100mil+ in dead cap in case of injury, we can afford the risk of running them. Big advantage in getting the most out of a player.

 

[buybuydandavis]

Eli was mostly bad in the playoffs. Even in one of his super bowl years, he was terrible vs SF and kept getting bailed out by Kyle Williams' fumbles.

Eli was an average+ QB blessed by playing opposite some truly dominant dlines for a few years and getting a couple of rings thereby. The only stat he ever led the league in was INTs, and he did that for 3 years. That's quite an accomplishment. It was no fluke.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MannEl00.htm

Oops. My bad. He also led the league in pick sixes in 2007.

And he did have one hot season in 2011, leading the league in game winning drives and comebacks. Nice y/a that season at 8.4.

A travesty that guy is going to make the HOF. He's the Frank Gore of QBs.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Not really. I base it on the play. And the play at key times. In this case, after watching Dak's horrific play in the playoffs, I do not see how he "deserves to get paid." Unless you're using that term not in the general sense, and are thinking in the 35 mil range.

Maybe it's just that I don't agree w/ this very strange "Next man up" thingie the NFL has going on now.

That’s not a now thing though. It’s been this way for some time even the Romo years.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Eli was an average+ QB blessed by playing opposite some truly dominant dlines for a few years and getting a couple of rings thereby. The only stat he ever led the league in was INTs, and he did that for 3 years. That's quite an accomplishment. It was no fluke.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MannEl00.htm

Oops. My bad. He also led the league in pick sixes in 2007.

And he did have one hot season in 2011, leading the league in game winning drives and comebacks. Nice y/a that season at 8.4.

A travesty that guy is going to make the HOF. He's the Frank Gore of QBs.

He quarterbacked two teams to a SB and they faced Brady. That does mean something.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Eli was mostly bad in the playoffs. Even in one of his super bowl years, he was terrible vs SF and kept getting bailed out by Kyle Williams' fumbles.

He made timely and crucial throws. Can’t take that from him.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Absolutely. However, the actual number of haters and lovers is very small. I don't understand the need to concentrate on this small number in so many threads.

Maybe. They seem to be the loudest ones on this site…..6 or 7 of them is not the majority but it is the loudest.

 

[buybuydandavis]

He quarterbacked two teams to a SB and they faced Brady. That does mean something.

2011 was Eli's best season, and his 2011 SB run was a good one.

The Giants dline in 2007 was one for the ages. Eli's big contribution to the game was throwing up a jump ball that a WR caught on his helmet.

But In the 8 games of those two SB runs, the Giants only scored more than 24 points once. Dlines made those runs happen.