Andy Dalton Vs Tony Romo

[5Stars]

Orton put up more points against the Eagles than Romo did.

lmao! Which QB lost the game?

 

[dstovall5]

Andy Dalton - Below average/average QB who has one of the best supporting cast in the entire NFL, and who's holding back a super bowl caliber team.

Tony Romo - Above average/great QB who has had his team in 3 consecutive years in a win and you're in scenario come week 17, despite having the worst defense out of any QB the past 4 years. His defense has ranked bottom 10 in each of the past 4 years, which makes them the only team in the NFL to do so, though it's Romo's fault.

If you swapped Romo with Ben, Brady, Flacco, Dalton, or a team that has had at least an average defense/coaching staff, then chances are #9 would be heading to Canton when he retires with a super bowl or two. Sadly, he's been with an inept coaching staff and defense for the majority of his career here, so he'll just go down as a great QB who never could win a super bowl.

 

[johnson2]

look at the age between the two. Alex Smith also had 5 different offensive coordinators in his first 5 years

not comparing them in that sense, only for the fact guy said smith rarely turns it over lol well even more rare he throws a TD

 

[dallasfan4lizife]

Orton put up more points against the Eagles than Romo did.

well but uhhhh the defense had uhhh hamstrings errr jerry jones.

Let's make an excuse of why Romo played worse than Orton! smh...Romo had 2 int's against phili with only 1 TD

Comparatively, Orton threw an all around better game against a hotter team

 

[johnson2]

lmao! Which QB lost the game?

careful, they will change their angle again!

first romos stats dont mean anything, winning does.

BUT THEN!!!

ortons stats (or should i say "eye test") are more important than the fact he lost!!!!!

 

[5Stars]

Andy Dalton - Below average/average QB who has one of the best supporting cast in the entire NFL, and who's holding back a super bowl caliber team.

Tony Romo - Above average/great QB who has had his team in 3 consecutive years in a win and you're in scenario come week 17, despite having the worst defense out of any QB the past 4 years. His defense has ranked bottom 10 in each of the past 4 years, which makes them the only team in the NFL to do so, though it's Romo's fault.

If you swapped Romo with Ben, Brady, Flacco, Dalton, or a team that has had at least an average defense/coaching staff, then chances are #9 would be heading to Canton when he retires with a super bowl or two. Sadly, he's been with an inept coaching staff and defense for the majority of his career here, so he'll just go down as a great QB who never could win a super bowl.

I think the defense this year was historically bad! I mean HISTORICALLY bad.

Someone should post those stats, and the Cowboys were lucky to even get to 8-8.

 

[dallasfan4lizife]

You're projecting your fantasies into real life again. Orton dinked and dunked basically every play, sucked in the Red Zone (we were 2nd in the Red Zone for the other 15 games) and threw 2 picks in 46 attempts (our starter had 10 in 15 games). If you're going to lie, tell feasible lies.

Oh yeah, I forgot the biggest lie: that you root for the Cowboys. Now that's comedy!

Wait didn't romo throw 1 TD and 2 INT's against this same team?

Bias at its finest.

 

[johnson2]

I think the defense this year was historically bad! I mean HISTORICALLY bad.

Someone should post those stats, and the Cowboys were lucky to even get to 8-8.

pretty sure the avg winning % of teams with def qb ratings like ours is about .250

i posted all the records of worse def qb rated teams in another thread and teams below us usually range from 2-14 to 4-12 the last 3 seasons maybe with 1 or 2 exceptions

edit: found it. here is our company based on def qb rating which correlates very highly to winning %

records of the 6 teams this year with worse defensive qb rating (higher than 96):

4-12
4-12
5-10-1
4-12
9-7
3-13
COWBOYS
and a few notables with better defensive passer rating, 4-12, 2-14

last year, 2012, teams with a worse def qb rating than we had this/last year finished:

2-14
4-12
4-12


2011

3-13
2-14
6-10
4-12[/quote]

 

[dstovall5]

Wait didn't romo throw 1 TD and 2 INT's against this same team?

Bias at its finest.

Both those interceptions weren't on him, but ok. And he out dueled one of the best QBs this year in Nick Foles. I don't know if you remember, but the conditions were terrible in that game with the wind.

 

[DFWJC]

well romo put up more points at home 7/7 times than orton did. dumb stats for dumb stats. you really trying to use a sample size of 1 to compare 2 qbs? very credible.

Not for me, but thought I'd give 2 cents...

I had no problem with how Orton played, however......

Dallas averaged a whopping 34.3 ppg in the 7 home games prior to week 17.
They scored over 30 in 6 of them, so it was no fluke.
Then they had their lowest scoring output of the season at home with only 22 points.

Any discussion of the points scored in the away game at Philly gets trumped 100x by the fact that Dallas won by 14 points.

 

[dallasfan4lizife]

careful, they will change their angle again!

first romos stats dont mean anything, winning does.

BUT THEN!!!

ortons stats (or should i say "eye test") are more important than the fact he lost!!!!!

If Romo threw for 65% and 360 yards I wouldn't complain.

But it's all relative. When he throws for 170 yards with a 100 qb rating, those stats are problematic...unless you are a Romo homer.

Also, you guys act like it's a crime to hold a QB that makes 20 million a year to higher standards than a QB that makes 4 million a year

 

[dallasfan4lizife]

Both those interceptions weren't on him, but ok. And he out dueled one of the best QBs this year in Nick Foles. I don't know if you remember, but the conditions were terrible in that game with the wind.

Nick Foles was injured half way through when it was close. He out played Matt freaking Barkley.

Ok? Orton threw a pick that wasn't his fault either..what's the point?

I remember Romo getting outplayed by scrub after scrub this year. But I can blame the defense

 

[5Stars]

careful, they will change their angle again!

first romos stats dont mean anything, winning does.

BUT THEN!!!

ortons stats (or should i say "eye test") are more important than the fact he lost!!!!!

See, the thing is, most Cowboy fans know that Romo has lost games. So has the defense. So has the coaches. So has the special teams. However, these guys/girls, don't take the term "team" into consideration. It's Romo's fault and nothing else can be said. It's actually funny that these "supposed football fans", whether the Cowboys or any other team cannot see the forest because of the trees.

 

[HappyOnions]

So bringing in someone not as good would be better for the team? Downgrading at the QB position would get this team over the hump?

You wanna replace Romo with someone better I'm all for it but I'm not going to dump him for the sake of dumping him.

In a weird way, yes it would better. Like I said, the coaching staff would take Alex Smith's play style and limitations into consideration. They would actually gameplan and create opportunities to get the best out of every player. DeMarco Murray would be running more since they wouldn't have as much confidence in their passing game which would mean extended drives, especially with Alex Smith's ability to run and would leave our defense off of the field longer.

A sound game plan around a bus driver, albeit a very good one, is better than "Okay Romo, just go out there and do Romo stuff"

 

[johnson2]

But it's all relative. When he throws for 170 yards with a 100 qb rating, those stats are problematic...unless you are a Romo homer.

like aaron rodgers yesterday at home vs the same team?

 

[jnday]

This thread is about Romo? Wow, you got one thing right!

Well, this is a Cowboys Forum...Romo is a Cowboy...the Cowboys have a defense. So, I'm going to post about everything Cowboys, and Romo is not the Lone Ranger on why the Cowboys are 8-8.

He can take credit for at least two of those loses with his chokes.

 

[5Stars]

pretty sure the avg winning % of teams with def qb ratings like ours is about .250

i posted all the records of worse def qb rated teams in another thread and teams below us usually range from 2-14 to 4-12 the last 3 seasons maybe with 1 or 2 exceptions

edit: found it. here is our company based on def qb rating which correlates very highly to winning %

records of the 6 teams this year with worse defensive qb rating (higher than 96):

4-12
4-12
5-10-1
4-12
9-7
3-13
COWBOYS
and a few notables with better defensive passer rating, 4-12, 2-14

last year, 2012, teams with a worse def qb rating than we had this/last year finished:

2-14
4-12
4-12


2011

3-13
2-14
6-10
4-12

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That is some amazing. But, I don't think the Romo haters know anything about metrics. Well, the do cry about "the 100 million dollar man". smfh

 

[johnson2]

In a weird way, yes it would better. Like I said, the coaching staff would take Alex Smith's play style and limitations into consideration. They would actually gameplan and create opportunities to get the best out of every player. DeMarco Murray would be running more since they wouldn't have as much confidence in their passing game which would mean extended drives, especially with Alex Smith's ability to run and would leave our defense off of the field longer.

A sound game plan around a bus driver, albeit a very good one, is better than "Okay Romo, just go out there and do Romo stuff"

did you watch wk 17? orton who hasnt started in 2 years threw 46 times and we ran 17 times.

dont know what makes you think garrett would change his gameplan and why anyone thinks a busdriver qb will help us do better. if our defense keeps giving up 30pts a game a bus driver wont give us a better chance at scoring more points lol

 

[HappyOnions]

Andy Dalton - Below average/average QB who has one of the best supporting cast in the entire NFL, and who's holding back a super bowl caliber team.

Tony Romo - Above average/great QB who has had his team in 3 consecutive years in a win and you're in scenario come week 17, despite having the worst defense out of any QB the past 4 years. His defense has ranked bottom 10 in each of the past 4 years, which makes them the only team in the NFL to do so, though it's Romo's fault.

If you swapped Romo with Ben, Brady, Flacco, Dalton, or a team that has had at least an average defense/coaching staff, then chances are #9 would be heading to Canton when he retires with a super bowl or two. Sadly, he's been with an inept coaching staff and defense for the majority of his career here, so he'll just go down as a great QB who never could win a super bowl.

Romo, unfairly or not, is not going to be remembered fondly as a great QB who couldn't win a Super Bowl. He isn't going to be remembered like Dan Marino, Dan Fouts, Fran Tarkenton, etc. Tony Romo will be remembered for what he did when the stakes were at the highest; which was fail...

Adjusted for stat inflation, Romo is like the 2000s version of Jim Everett. Great stats, some playoff appearances, but not in the upper echelon of QBs. Only difference is that Romo plays for Dallas and Everett played for NO and the Rams.

 

[dallasfan4lizife]

like aaron rodgers yesterday at home vs the same team?

yes, granted it was against a top 5 defense and -10 degrees outside.