News: Cowboys are releasing Orton

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I think, and this is my opinion only, is that the reason why the Cowboys let him keep the money was under the condition that he retires and not play for another team. If Kyle Orton wants to play football again, he'll have to get the Cowboys' permission and whomever wants him, will have to acquire his rights from the Cowboys. So I don't think this is another Ratliff's situation in that sense.

If they cut him, they don't have that right, no matter what was said and agreed to behind closed doors. If it isn't official, it doesn't mean squat and he can take advantage of the cowboys and pull another "ratliff". I hate this move if it's real. What I'm hoping is that it was mis-reported and is actually a move to reserve/retired. We can't keep letting players think that if they become disgruntled they can just do this to the team.
 

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So, there's an empty spot on the roster, and no speculation in this thread who gets it that I have seen. So I wills tart the ball rolling and maybe heads exploding.

Josh Brent.
 

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So, there's an empty spot on the roster, and no speculation in this thread who gets it that I have seen. So I wills tart the ball rolling and maybe heads exploding.

Josh Brent.

out of condition guy with two years of rust who was never all that to begin with. Sounds like a Jerruh move.
 

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out of condition guy with two years of rust who was never all that to begin with. Sounds like a Jerruh move.

We need all the help we can get in the trenches. If he can make it back, none of the starters from last year's all time worst DL wont see playing time.
 

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We need all the help we can get in the trenches. If he can make it back, none of the starters from last year's all time worst DL wont see playing time.


we don't need all the crap we would get with him coming back considering how little he would probably contribute on the field.
 

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Brent will probably get suspended by the NFL as well but after that it wouldn't surprise me.
 

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Haven't read all 10 pages, so maybe it was mentioned, ... but why does Orton NOT want to play in Dallas now when he did just a year ago?
 

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At this point, the facts say he has gotten away with it. Until any news surfaces to change or refute that fact, Ratliff got away with stealing money from the Cowboys.

I think I would need some solid facts on that point in order to change my position on it.

Not trying to change your position on Orton. But it wouldn't shock me if we had an incomplete understanding of some relevant details. Either way, they'll probably come out through Mickey at some point and we'll know what has really been going on here.

Re Rat: that's silly. He behaved really poorly and the team is pursuing legal recourse that might well end up very expensive for him. We just have to wait and see. You don't have the data you need yet to know whether he got away with anything.
 

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This gives Dallas 2 mil in cap space this yr and next yr. With this move Dallas has 10.7 mil cap room this yr. Think you can expect a Dez extension very soon
 

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No he hasn't! He was beat out by everyone's whipping boy, Tebow. He's been release from every team he has been on and the one time we really needed him, last year, he lost by throwing two horrible passes to end the game. What part of that screams that Orton has proven he can win?

Orton's record as a starter: 35-35
Weeden's record as a starter: 5-15
 

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You're very much mistaken if you believe that.

Orton's career td/int: 83-59 +24

Weeden's career td/int: 23-26 -3

Orton was one of (if not the ) best backup qb's in the league; Weeden was the 22nd pick in the draft, and yet Cleveland gave up on him after only two seasons.

Yep. I'm glad we picked up Weeden as insurance and hope he looks good in preseason, but we just took a major hit at the QB position.
 

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You're very much mistaken if you believe that.

Orton's career td/int: 83-59 +24

Weeden's career td/int: 23-26 -3

Orton was one of (if not the ) best backup qb's in the league; Weeden was the 22nd pick in the draft, and yet Cleveland gave up on him after only two seasons.

Weeden was given up on because the owner wanted his own QB. Weeden was drafted by the previous owner.
 

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Haven't read all 10 pages, so maybe it was mentioned, ... but why does Orton NOT want to play in Dallas now when he did just a year ago?

He wanted to retire but has been playing games trying to get the rest of his contract without actually playing for it. I do not approve. Unless there is something I don't know which is quite possible then I don't like the move. I'd keep fining him until he reported then I'd sit him behind all the other QBs allowing him to run the scout team on occasion. I'm ok with Weeden as the backup.
 

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Orton's record as a starter: 35-35
Weeden's record as a starter: 5-15

Weeden has thrown 5116 yrds and 23 TDs in his first 20 games.
Romo threw for 5061 yrds and 39 TDs in his first 20 games

People want to judge Weeden on his record but will be offended and call you a hater if you do that with Romo. Weedens numbers are comparable to Romos in their first 20 games of their career. And Romo had the likes of Owens, Glenn Witten
 

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Orton's record as a starter: 35-35
Weeden's record as a starter: 5-15

Orton had a 59.7 rating his first season. Just saying. He didn't play in his second season in the league, so can't make any comparisons there.

And didn't Weeden miss years of football while he pursued baseball? In my opinion, that makes Weeden even less experienced/more rusty than a typical rookie, if that makes any sense.

Not really trying to defend Weeden, I just think we should give him the benefit of the doubt. It's hard to perform well in your first 2 seasons as a QB, especially when being thrown to the wolves on a terrible Browns team after a long break from football.
 

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The net hit to the cap is basically $0. Explain how there is no offset here. We saved 3.5 mill. We owe 3.5 mill. Net result. Zero hit on cap.

Like most on this board you are getting hung up on the term "dead money." It would be 7 mill against the cap this year and next if we kept him. Tell me now how saving 3.5 mill is bad?

You are all over the place here.

I have no problem with saving 3.5 million and I don't think that is bad in this situation. However, that is not what we are debating. What we are debating is your call out of those fans who, as you put it, don't know that dead money is "offset" by not having to pay the base salary. You are simply wrong. And your own post demonstrates that:

The net hit to the cap is basically $0. Explain how there is no offset here. We saved 3.5 mill. We owe 3.5 mill. Net result. Zero hit on cap.

If you owe 3.5 million (which you admit) the Net Result cannnot be a Zero Hit on the cap!


There is an offset at work. But that offset applies to the total contract price for that year. Let me break it down for you.

in 2014 Kyle Orton was set to earn $4,377,500. That cap number is comprised of two components:

$3,500,000 -- base salary

$1,127,500 -- Pro-rated bonus.

By cutting Orton, the Cowboys do get an offset. But the offset is against the $4,377,500, not the pro-rated bonus, which remains on the books as dead money.

Here is overthecap:

Releasing Orton should save the Cowboys $3.25 million against their salary cap immediately ... Dallas will still need to account for $2.255 million in cap charges next season for Orton.

So its not a "Zero Cap Hit"; its paying money to a player that is not on your roster.
 

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I'd keep fining him until he reported then I'd sit him behind all the other QBs allowing him to run the scout team on occasion.

Then you lose a roster spot to someone who doesn't want to play and have to deal with the media circus surrounding this issue instead of concentrating on football in camp. I don't like the fact that he didn't honor to the terms of his contract, but I can see why the FO would just want to get past this and think its the right move.
 

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Weeden has thrown 5116 yrds and 23 TDs in his first 20 games.
Romo threw for 5061 yrds and 39 TDs in his first 20 games

People want to judge Weeden on his record but will be offended and call you a hater if you do that with Romo. Weedens numbers are comparable to Romos in their first 20 games of their career. And Romo had the likes of Owens, Glenn Witten

Umm...no?

Romo's 1st two seasons

Games played in which he compiled a qb rating of 100 or more: 16
Games played in which he compiled a qb rating of 70 or less: 6

Weeden's 1st two seasons

Games played in which he compiled a qb rating of 100 or more: 1
Games played in which he compiled a qb rating of 70 or less: 10

 
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