The Walking Dead (S5) - 2nd half of season thread ***Spoilers***

[Doomsday]

I watched the TV show before I ever picked up the graphic novel.

I expected the Rick in the GN to have the same personality as the TV Rick, but I found out very quickly there were very big differences... it kind of turned me off the GN a little.

In one way the GN Rick was the better preset for what would happen between Lori and Shane... Her and Rick were having some marital issues and once it seemed that Rick was dead, so much the better for hanky-panky.

Where the TV Rick, seemed like he was a pretty good guy prior to the zombie apocalypse... And it made it a little more difficult to believe that Lori and he were having issues.

In the first episode Rick and Shane were talking in the police car about Rick and Lori having some issues. It felt to me like it was more minor stuff and that Lori being the survivor she is clung to Shane because she knew he was her best chance. It really didnt have anything to do with any marital issues with Rick, it was about her security. Once Rick was back, she didnt need Shane any longer.

 

[65fastback2plus2]

You're kidding, right?

nope. you ever seen bambi? All the animals running from the fire....even mindless creatures know to run from danger....anyhow, it was just a thought/idea.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

In the first episode Rick and Shane were talking in the police car about Rick and Lori having some issues. It felt to me like it was more minor stuff and that Lori being the survivor she is clung to Shane because she knew he was her best chance. It really didnt have anything to do with any marital issues with Rick, it was about her security. Once Rick was back, she didnt need Shane any longer.

Oh I get that. But still the TV Rick seems like he was a fun guy before the event... The graphic novel Rick seems like he was much more melancholy.

 

[Stryker44]

Oh I get that. But still the TV Rick seems like he was a fun guy before the event... The graphic novel Rick seems like he was much more melancholy.

Probably just the social psychology of wanting to have a lead television character a larger fanbase can identify with as opposed to the graphic novels which is likely much more of a niche crowd.

Daryl is annoying me for similar reasons in terms of his behavior being inconsistent with someone who's lived a hard life even before the apocalypse - but I know he appeals to a different part of the fanbase of this TV show.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Probably just the social psychology of wanting to have a lead television character a larger fanbase can identify with as opposed to the graphic novels which is likely much more of a niche crowd.

There's probably something to that. The TV version of the character is much more likeable.

I think several of the things done in the graphic novel were "seat of the pants" decisions, like determining how "dark" a character Rick was going to be.

For that matter many of the graphic novel characters are far darker than their TV equivalents: the Governor, Andrea. Even the TV version of Michonne is a little lighter.

 

[Leadbelly]

Wasn't exactly a subtle episode, but given recent events it seemed appropriate that the group would be shellshocked and grieving. It also didn't really occur to me that they've actually had it pretty good as far as access to food, water, and shelter. Cannibals aside.

And I would have let Eugene drink up. Everyone has their role to play.

 

[Stryker44]

And I would have let Eugene drink up. Everyone has their role to play.

Same here in all probability if I was in that situation. It would have been interesting to see how he would have related to the group even if the water wasn't tainted - knowing they saw him as a human guinea pig pretty much.

I thought it was kind of interesting that Abraham was drinking, but he seemed like one of the most-level headed characters in this episode.

 

[Leadbelly]

What are people thinking about the tied up woman zombie in the trunk? Really don't know if that was more Wolves stuff or just kind of a disturbing way to die but unrelated to anything we've seen previously.

Also hard to see Morgan making another appearance, right?

 

[NIBGoldenchild]

In the first episode Rick and Shane were talking in the police car about Rick and Lori having some issues. It felt to me like it was more minor stuff and that Lori being the survivor she is clung to Shane because she knew he was her best chance. It really didnt have anything to do with any marital issues with Rick, it was about her security. Once Rick was back, she didnt need Shane any longer.

Also, Lori slept with Shane only one time. Where in the TV show she was sneaking off to the woods to sleep with Shane fairly regularly. I thought the GN story was easier to understand than the TV show version, also because it was untenable situation that was resolved fairly quickly. Unlike in the TV show, where it dragged on into the end of the second season. Rick should've ended Shane the moment he found out what he did, but even in the end he still trying to give Shane the chance to redeem himself and stop being such a scumbag.

 

[NIBGoldenchild]

What are people thinking about the tied up woman zombie in the trunk? Really don't know if that was more Wolves stuff or just kind of a disturbing way to die but unrelated to anything we've seen previously.

Also hard to see Morgan making another appearance, right?

I thought it was just a coincidence. Like, some crazy person kidnaps this girl and puts her in his trunk. Then the outbreak happens and he either dies or abandons her to starve to death while trying to save himself. Very tragic, but a nice addition that rarely happens on this show anymore.

I think Morgan will meet them in DC. He'll already be there, as he can move faster surviving and traveling on his own. He's a competent survivor, isn't using up as much water and food as the group, and wouldn't be stopping to drop Noah off with his community and dealing with that drama.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Also, Lori slept with Shane only one time. Where in the TV show she was sneaking off to the woods to sleep with Shane fairly regularly. I thought the GN story was easier to understand than the TV show version, also because it was untenable situation that was resolved fairly quickly. Unlike in the TV show, where it dragged on into the end of the second season. Rick should've ended Shane the moment he found out what he did, but even in the end he still trying to give Shane the chance to redeem himself and stop being such a scumbag.

That's the difference between the TV Rick and the GN Rick. The GN Rick is much more callous and didn't need the hard lessons that Shane was teaching the TV Rick.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

The episode was okay. It was a little slow but it was okay.

The only things this episode really did for me was make me want to punch the writers for their continued desire to turn Daryl into such a freaking sissy. I'm beyond sick of that at this point. We get it people. The ladies love him. Now stop making him into such a pansy for all the ladies to lose their mind over.

And I absolutely can not wait for the death of Maggie and Sasha. I absolutely loath these two characters after this episode. The dislike for Maggie has been building since the loss of the prison and her seemingly not caring in the least about the well being or where about of her sister.

But after that BS reaction to Beth's death, and now the stupid explanation from Maggie as to why, and then her attitude afterwards....yeah I just have zero use for her at this point.

 

[65fastback2plus2]

The only things this episode really did for me was make me want to punch the writers for their continued desire to turn Daryl into such a freaking sissy. I'm beyond sick of that at this point. We get it people. The ladies love him. Now stop making him into such a pansy for all the ladies to lose their mind over.

while that could be it...they need to show everyone has their breaking point.

Rick already had his seasons ago talking to himself on the phone in the jail basement.

it is due time that daryl breaks down also.

 

[NIBGoldenchild]

The episode was okay. It was a little slow but it was okay.

The only things this episode really did for me was make me want to punch the writers for their continued desire to turn Daryl into such a freaking sissy. I'm beyond sick of that at this point. We get it people. The ladies love him. Now stop making him into such a pansy for all the ladies to lose their mind over.

And I absolutely can not wait for the death of Maggie and Sasha. I absolutely loath these two characters after this episode. The dislike for Maggie has been building since the loss of the prison and her seemingly not caring in the least about the well being or where about of her sister.

But after that BS reaction to Beth's death, and now the stupid explanation from Maggie as to why, and then her attitude afterwards....yeah I just have zero use for her at this point.

I understand your beef with Maggie, but why Sasha? She lost Bob (although I will admit their romance was fleeting and completely unfulfilling to be believable) and her brother Tyreese within a few weeks. I thought her desire to just kill something, despite how reckless it was due to their conditions, was realistic considering what she'd recently lost.

But man, I thought Michonne was gonna cut her in half. I kept saying to my wife,"She almost stabbed Michonne in the heart!" She should be glad Michonne has calmed down a whole lot since Season 3.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I understand your beef with Maggie, but why Sasha? She lost Bob (although I will admit their romance was fleeting and completely unfulfilling to be believable) and her brother Tyreese within a few weeks. I thought her desire to just kill something, despite how reckless it was due to their conditions, was realistic considering what she'd recently lost.

But man, I thought Michonne was gonna cut her in half. I kept saying to my wife,"She almost stabbed Michonne in the heart!" She should be glad Michonne has calmed down a whole lot since Season 3.

Her stupidity has been annoying as it (Letting the cop fool her) and all her "I can't be the same anymore" and all that garbage. And now you add on top of that her stupid behavior that was unnecessary and reckless.

Yeah.

I have zero use for her.

 

[DanteEXT]

Why were they trying to trick the zombies to fall into the creek bed or whatever it was anyway? Why not just kill them like they ended up doing?

 

[speedkilz88]

What are people thinking about the tied up woman zombie in the trunk? Really don't know if that was more Wolves stuff or just kind of a disturbing way to die but unrelated to anything we've seen previously.

Also hard to see Morgan making another appearance, right?

I think the most likely scenario was that her companion or family put her in there after she was bit and turned. As we've seen it's difficult for many to "put down" a loved one.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Why were they trying to trick the zombies to fall into the creek bed or whatever it was anyway? Why not just kill them like they ended up doing?

They thought it was going to take less resources (energy).

 

[speedkilz88]

Why were they trying to trick the zombies to fall into the creek bed or whatever it was anyway? Why not just kill them like they ended up doing?

It was easier/took less effort. They wanted to conserve their energy since they didn't have any water.

 

[honyock]

The limp-wristed writers are really going out of their way to wussify Daryl.

I had the opposite reaction. I thought the Daryl cigarette burn/grief scene was handled just right. One of the themes of the show has always been, how do you retain your humanity in a world gone mad. As wheels-off and inconsistent as the writing has been since season one, Daryl's character, as solid and bad-*** as he is, has been at the emotional core of the group. He's managed to keep both his humanity and his sense of right and wrong and still keep his his kick-butt ways. Having him go off and deal with his grief about Beth by himself with no one else around seemed right on.