Greg Hardy 9-11 Call Transcript and Moral/legal issues thread **merged**

[Alexander]

He was convicted. He "reached a civil settlement" (read: paid off). People who want him don't really care what happened that night.

And people also are judging based off things other than the actual testimony.

The fact he made a civil settlement is irrelevant to me. I would pay an affirmed psychotic to get out of my life as well.

If she were brutalized as much as believed, what kind of person would simply take money in exchange?

 

[coogrfan]

I don't really care if he's a felon, murderer or Saint. If he can rush the passengers, sign him.

I'm gonna assume that's just hyperbole.

It was also reported that she couldn't get her story straight. I have zero reason to lie. I'm not a relative or friend of Hardy.

I think that would fall under the "inconsistencies that troubled first judge" that the author of the article referred to. The point was that the DA was prepared to move ahead with the jury trial, and would have done so if his star witness (the victim) had appeared. Without her going to trial would have been a waste of everyone's time.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

I'm gonna assume that's just hyperbole.



I think that would fall under the "inconsistencies that troubled first judge" that the author of the article referred to. The point was that the DA was prepared to move ahead with the jury trial, and would have done so if his star witness (the victim) had appeared. Without her going to trial would have been a waste of everyone's time.

I understand that. It doesn't take away that it was REPORTED that she couldn't keep her story straight. I'm not the one who reported it.
Just relaying what was said to this thread.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

And people also are judging based off things other than the actual testimony.

The fact he made a civil settlement is irrelevant to me. I would pay an affirmed psychotic to get out of my life as well.

If she were brutalized as much as believed, what kind of person would simply take money in exchange?

Wait for it................................... She was scared for her life!

 

[Gaede]

Definitely screwed, but there isn't less of a problem. There is the same problem. Violence is violence. No matter who commits it. More often, both parties are guilty of domestic violence against each other. There is no way to accurately and reliably record any of this.

Sure there are-- stats. And it is not ' more often'. Violence, and in particular domestic, is largely a male problem. And yet, women as construed as the instigators/liars and not as the victims that they out frequently are

 

[Kaiser]

At this point, the NFL owes him an apology. Hardy did the right thing by all accounts. His crime was knowing this crazy biotch.

IMO the only apology owed is from the person in the DA's office that wrote the dismissal saying they had gone to "extraordinary measures" to find the girl and saying the civil settlement was a reason for dropping the criminal case. The girl worked at the same place for months afterward and posted her location constantly on Facebook, the DA's office clearly didn't take "extraordinary measures" and could have gone to trial without her if they had the evidence to do so.

It was a CYA statement to the public to cover the DA's behind as much as possible and it smeared Hardy. Most of the news articles repeat the same line that the charges were dropped because "the witness didn't cooperate". It created the media narrative that we have seen in dozens of threads here - and will no doubt read in hundreds of threads over the time Hardy plays for the Cowboys.

 

[speedkilz88]

I'm gonna assume that's just hyperbole.



I think that would fall under the "inconsistencies that troubled first judge" that the author of the article referred to. The point was that the DA was prepared to move ahead with the jury trial, and would have done so if his star witness (the victim) had appeared. Without her going to trial would have been a waste of everyone's time.

The prosecutor did not even have transcripts of the court hearing. Once they got the judge to order the defense to hand over their transcript that they paid for he then saw that she did change her story. He could have prosecuted the trial with that transcript without her if it wasn't for the inconsistencies.

 

[CF74]

Yall need to pay more attention to what I post
I posted that several times. He called 911. If he beat the crap out of her as she claims why would he bring the heat on himself?
She had done this once before to another high profile person. She figured out how to make easy money to support her coke habit.
Where's the police photos of all her injuries?

IMOP he asked his attorneys how much time, effort and money would be involved in proving her wrong and decided it was cheaper and way easier
to give her some cash and call it a day. Insurance companies do it all the time.

The evidence was sealed but he turned it over to the NFL. I'm kinda expecting small bruises from restraining her coked out buttocks but nothing more. She wasn't even hospitalized from what I can tell, again it's sealed though.. Still waiting for Goodel to get back to me on tha blower mate...

 

[coach steele]

Sure thete are stats. And it is not ' more often'. Violence, and in particular domestic, is largely a male problem. And yet, women as construed as the instigators/liars and not as the victims that they out frequently are

Victims are victims and it is not a male problem but a human one. Victims (whether female or male) are largely re-victimized by non believers. Right now you are proving my point. This is the reason why men are less likely to report. No one will believe them anyway.

 

[iceberg]

Ego, but I think more specifically ridicule. Didn't Chuck Finley catch a lot of flack when he reported that then wife Tawney Kitaen roughed him up (also with her heels). For him to be in the locker room with that story being so public must've been a nightmare.

we live in an instant judgement society. if someone says you did something wrong, these days, you did. when my own friend went through this it wasn't the case in society but it is today and that's very unfortunate. but when you see "wife beaters" getting banned from the NFL, people losing jobs, and the list goes on for acting in a manner society deems non-appropriate (which changes daily) are you going to step up and take a chance people will believe you over her?

it's not about ego every time i wouldn't think. it's about just ending the stupidity as soon as possible and calling the police on her isn't likely to "end" anything but be the start of something that can cost you a job out of perception, not reality.

 

[basstapp]

how about her hoping he would snap and hit her and then she really rakes in the cash?

... Isn't this already happening - Its already creating a media frenzy and is hurting his wallet. The more he is in the apartment with her and not able to leave, the more drama and stories can be made up. He said he had his manager there. Should have pulled out his phone and video taped him leaving...

 

[CyberB0b]

I'm gonna assume that's just hyperbole.



I think that would fall under the "inconsistencies that troubled first judge" that the author of the article referred to. The point was that the DA was prepared to move ahead with the jury trial, and would have done so if his star witness (the victim) had appeared. Without her going to trial would have been a waste of everyone's time.

Well, there was a autocorrect fail. Should have read passer. Honestly, I really don't care what his moral background is. Not my job to judge.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

The evidence was sealed but he turned it over to the NFL. I'm kinda expecting small bruises from restraining her coked out buttocks but nothing more. She wasn't even hospitalized from what I can tell, again it's sealed though.. Still waiting for Goodel to get back to me on tha blower mate...

I wasn't sure but others have confirmed they could have went after him with or without her. That's all I need to know. They found nothing in the materials Hardy's team turned over.

 

[speedkilz88]

... Isn't this already happening - Its already creating a media frenzy and is hurting his wallet. The more he is in the apartment with her and not able to leave, the more drama and stories can be made up. He said he had his manager there. Should have pulled out his phone and video taped him leaving...

He has always claimed he did video it.

 

[Gaede]

Victims are victims and it is not a male problem but a human one. Victims (whether female or male) are largely re-victimized by non believers. Right now you are proving my point.

Sure is a human problem-that violence against women is so prominent and yet so marginalized

 

[xwalker]

For those folks that want to know the legit details of Greg Hardy's trial......

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/sports/nfl/carolina-panthers/article9140615.html#.U8VF4agoyTw

I have reviewed the entire report and his 911 call.

It's really impossible to know what really happened. There are no unbiased witnesses which makes it her word against his.


Two quotes I find interesting:

Quote1:
Nicole Holder friend said Holder told her on the night of the incident, "(Hardy) hasn't seen crazy yet."

Quote 2:
Iwanicki said she snapchatted a photo of guns lying on the futon when she returned back to Hardy's apartment that evening.


Quote 1 shows that she planned for this to become a big episode.

Quote 2 makes me wonder why the friend would be posting photos of guns that day. It "feels" like there was an intent to cause trouble and possibly and attempt to document Hardy as a bad guy.

On the flip side, his 911 call seemed a bit staged with and intent to show that Hardy was not touching her, only his manager was holding her back. Now this does not really indicate that he did or didn't do anything to her beforehand, only that he probably realized that he was going to be in trouble when she told her story to police regardless of whether it was true or not.

 

[Alexander]

No it was 100% RIchardson. He took a beating after letting Hardy play in a game after Rice and the Rae Carruth thing always hangs over that franchise.

The Fred Lane thing as well.

 

[coach steele]

Sure is a human problem-that violence against women is so prominent and yet so marginalized

Victims are marginalized (whether male or female).

 

[Corso]

... Isn't this already happening - Its already creating a media frenzy and is hurting his wallet. The more he is in the apartment with her and not able to leave, the more drama and stories can be made up. He said he had his manager there. Should have pulled out his phone and video taped him leaving...

That guy was slightly busy holding back an enraged, coked up woman.
Did you not read the 9/11 transcript?

 

[coogrfan]

The prosecutor did not even have transcripts of the court hearing. Once they got the judge to order the defense to hand over their transcript that they paid for he then saw that she did change her story. He could have prosecuted the trial with that transcript without her if it wasn't for the inconsistencies.

The fact remains that the DA was prepared to go to trial if he had his star witness. Yes, the DA could have gone ahead using just the transcript. But why would he? The chances of getting a conviction under those circumstances are remote.