Greg Hardy 9-11 Call Transcript and Moral/legal issues thread **merged**

[Dave_in-NC]

I have reviewed the entire report and his 911 call.

It's really impossible to know what really happened. There are no unbiased witnesses which makes it her word against his.


Two quotes I find interesting:

Quote1:
Nicole Holder friend said Holder told her on the night of the incident, "(Hardy) hasn't seen crazy yet."

Quote 2:
Iwanicki said she snapchatted a photo of guns lying on the futon when she returned back to Hardy's apartment that evening.


Quote 1 shows that she planned for this to become a big episode.

Quote 2 makes me wonder why the friend would be posting photos of guns that day. It "feels" like there was an intent to cause trouble and possibly and attempt to document Hardy as a bad guy.

On the flip side, his 911 call seemed a bit staged with and intent to show that Hardy was not touching her, only his manager was holding her back. Now this does not really indicate that he did or didn't do anything to her beforehand, only that he probably realized that he was going to be in trouble when she told her story to police regardless of whether it was true or not.

Wouldn't there have been photos the police would take of her beaten and bruised body? She claims after the fact her toenail was her injury.
Toe nail? really?

 

[Dave_in-NC]

The fact remains that the DA was prepared to go to trial if he had his star witness. Yes, the DA could have gone ahead using just the transcript. But why would he? The chances of getting a conviction under those circumstances are remote.

Or He could be saying all the right things to save his butt. It works both ways. I dislike people that beat on other people, but I hate when they are falsely accused to.

 

[dogberry]

Given the uncertainties in this case how does the NFL punish Hardy further?

 

[BigD5]

Deangelo Williams, former Panthers RB for 8 or 9 yrs and teammate of Greg hardy for his entire 4 yr career, lost his mother in a lengthy battle with breast cancer. Which I'm sure any fan of any team in the NFL is aware of breast cancer as the NFL has a huge hand in raising money for this disease and they care deeply about it. Or at least they'd like you to think they care. They absolutely couldn't care less about it.

At deangelo Williams mothers funeral guess how many members of the Panthers organization showed up to support their long time player and friend who lost his mother to this disease their league cares so deeply about? One. That's right. ONE.

That one person that showed up?

Greg Hardy

 

[iceberg]

Given the uncertainties in this case how does the NFL punish Hardy further?

hire him a moral compass, even though it doesn't appear he needs one.

 

[Frozen700]

on the fan they were saying that when it went to trail Hardy was telling his side of the story and the judge straight up said i dont believe you and found him at fault. then Hardy requested a peer trail.

disgusting

 

[Gaede]

Victims are marginalized (whether male or female).

But in particular, women.

 

[superonyx]

For myself this story scares me because I always try to put myself into a situation and see how I would act or come out of it.
Its scary when someone gets convicted and now labeled in this way and you realize the evidence against him is just the words of an angry ex. No one could really know what happened between them. This type of thing is scary because any one of us could have a woman accuse us of domestic violence and we would all be found guilty when the level of proof required is so low.

Our legal system really needs an overhaul. Wearing this label can ruin a persons life.
Can any one of us honestly say they couldn't be in the same position. I find it disturbing that Hardy called the police to protect from this accusation and in reality he probably increased his chances of this happening.

 

[Nightman]

That opinion presumes you do know what happen that night. Where is the evidence that proves this? Or does that matter to you.

There is no evidence of a settlement if people want to get technical. The DA implied that there was one when they had to drop the charges but no one on either side has admitted so much. It was more abut lashing out because their whole case was based on a controversial witness that ended up being totally unreliable.

If Hardy was going to pay her off, wouldn't he do it before the bench trial and first guilty verdict? Why take the bad press and the potential hit with the League? She tried to back out from the very beginning. She missed the hearing on the Protective Order and had to be forced to attend the bench trial.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The fact remains that the DA was prepared to go to trial if he had his star witness. Yes, the DA could have gone ahead using just the transcript. But why would he? The chances of getting a conviction under those circumstances are remote.

She gave a mutually exclusive account to the police as opposed to the one that she gave to the first judge. that means they cannot both be true.

You are obviously intent on making poorly informed judgment so don't let me get in your way though.

 

[TheDude]

Isn't he a bit of a bible thumper to?

You could say that

and that is understated

 

[Dave_in-NC]

For myself this story scares me because I always try to put myself into a situation and see how I would act or come out of it.
Its scary when someone gets convicted and now labeled in this way and you realize the evidence against him is just the words of an angry ex. No one could really know what happened between them. This type of thing is scary because any one of us could have a woman accuse us of domestic violence and we would all be found guilty when the level of proof required is so low.

Our legal system really needs an overhaul. Wearing this label can ruin a persons life.
Can any one of us honestly say they couldn't be in the same position. I find it disturbing that Hardy called the police to protect from this accusation and in reality he probably increased his chances of this happening.

That's a sad truth.

 

[superonyx]

But in particular, women.

No both.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

You could say that

and that is understated

I was trying to be nice. A friend of mine knows the family. He said tht was the main reason they let Hardy walk. I really have no clue but I could see it.

 

[Gaede]

No both.

Both yes. But in particular, women

 

[iceberg]

Wouldn't there have been photos the police would take of her beaten and bruised body? She claims after the fact her toenail was her injury.
Toe nail? really?

eddie murphy woulda shot that pinky toe off.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

eddie murphy woulda shot that pinky toe off.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Sure is a human problem-that violence against women is so prominent and yet so marginalized

Marginalized? It's front and center in the national spotlight in the wake of Ray Rice. Spare me the martyr routine. Youre grasping at straws instead of discussing the facts of the case.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

Both yes. But in particular, women

You win.

 

[TheDude]

The Fred Lane thing as well.

Exactly.

He is a old school 1950 type guy - anti-tattoo, etc. I was told by a former neighbor who was in the FO of Carolina that Hardy's rap video/song after the conviction/exempt list was the final straw for Richardson. It had line in it that said "Crack a *****".

He denied that was the lyric, but Richardson didnt buy it and thought it was a bad look regardless