Greg Hardy 9-11 Call Transcript and Moral/legal issues thread **merged**

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coach steele

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But in particular, women.

You have a very dichotomous way of thinking. Are gay victims less marginalized than female or more? I would say the fact that men are way less likely to report being physically assaulted than women means that they are more marginalized. Also, riddle me this. How common are domestic violence shelters for men?

Bottom line is that all domestic violence cases need to be taken seriously and that people shouldn't jump to conclusions.
 

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Both yes. But in particular, women

Actually no. Violence against women is not treated as insignificant at all. If a man is accused of hitting a woman he will be convicted without proof. Just her word alone. Now if a man accuses a woman of hitting him them what are the odds of her being found guilty of anything? In fact people will laugh at him.

Its funny on the same thread where this man called the police to report he was assaulted and wanted an officer to come remove her from his home because she wouldn't leave you are deciding to make the statement that people marginalize violence against women more than violence against men.
 

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Actually no. Violence against women is not treated as insignificant at all. If a man is accused of hitting a woman he will be convicted without proof. Just her word alone. Now if a man accuses a woman of hitting him them what are the odds of her being found guilty of anything? In fact people will laugh at him.

Its funny on the same thread where this man called the police to report he was assaulted and wanted an officer to come remove her from his home because she wouldn't leave you are deciding to make the statement that people marginalize violence against women more than violence against men.

logic like that will supersonic past him.
 

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Sure is a human problem-that violence against women is so prominent and yet so marginalized

Here is some info for you... So that you can stop marginalizing victims in the future. There are many different narratives that need to be considered. You don't want to invalidate any of them.


http://www.thehotline.org/2014/07/men-can-be-victims-of-abuse-too/


At the Hotline, we know that domestic violence can affect anyone – including men. According to the CDC, one in seven men age 18+ in the U.S. has been the victim of severe physical violence by an intimate partner in his lifetime. One in 10 men has experienced rape, physical violence, and/or stalking by an intimate partner. In 2013, 13% of documented contacts to the Hotline identified themselves as male victims. Although they make up a smaller percentage of callers to the Hotline, there are likely many more men who do not report or seek help for their abuse, for a variety of reasons:


Men are socialized not to express their feelings or see themselves as victims.

Our culture still clings to narrow definitions of gender (although there are signs that this is slowly shifting). Young boys are taught not to express their emotions, to “suck it up” and “be a man.” Tony Porter calls this the “man box” in his well-known TED talk. This can be extremely detrimental to boys as they age, especially if they find themselves in an abusive relationship. Men may feel discouraged to talk about what’s going on in their personal lives, or they feel like no one will believe them. They may not even realize that they are being abused, or they might assume they should just deal with the abuse on their own.


Pervading beliefs or stereotypes about men being abusers, women being victims.

The majority of domestic violence stories covered by the media are about male perpetrators and female victims who are typically in heterosexual relationships. While we certainly don’t want to minimize this violence, focusing on only one type of situation renders invisible the many scenarios that do not fit this definition, including abusive relationships among homosexual, bisexual, and trans* men. This might make many victims feel like they don’t have the space or the support to speak out about their own experiences and seek help.


The abuse of men is often treated as less serious, or a “joke.”

We’ve seen this in action recently with the elevator footage of Solange Knowles attacking Jay-Z. When a man is abused, many people don’t take it as seriously (in part due to the previous two reasons we’ve mentioned). The truth is, abuse is not a joke, in any situation, between any two people. All victims deserve support and resources to help them feel safe.
 

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The only marginalization going on here is not of women and it is being done by yourself.

What have I marginalized? Violence against women is a real issue, and numbers out there prove that. It is very possible that Hardy is in fact the victim in this case, but not likely considering these numbers. That being said, not once have I pointed a finger at Hardy or the woman--as so many here have.
To login to this forum, all I see is posts about how the woman lied, the judge didn't listen, she's only after his money etc. Instead of a real discussion over what's happened. I've seen very little to.nothing on the woman's perspective on here. All we know is that the charges are dropped and that's it. But what I see on the forum is a very one sided perspective--the male's perspective
 

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I agree. I'm sure the truth is some where in the middle. But there is not enough to say Hardy is a demon.

I agree . I also know based on experience we don't know if he is or not....I would lean towards not.At the most to a drunken situation that got out of hand. But since I don't have the full file setting on my desk I don't know.And to make my statement clear,I am only interested in the physical evidence. A true statement from one of my mentors.Witnesses can lie,lawyers can lie,judges can lie BUT the evidence never lies.
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What have I marginalized? Violence against women is a real issue, and numbers out there prove that. It is very possible that Hardy is in fact the victim in this case, but not likely considering these numbers. That being said, not once have I pointed a finger at Hardy or the woman--as so many here have.
To login to this forum, all I see is posts about how the woman lied, the judge didn't listen, she's only after his money etc. Instead of a real discussion over what's happened. I've seen very little to.nothing on the woman's perspective on here. All we know is that the charges are dropped and that's it. But what I see on the forum is a very one sided perspective--the male's perspective

I've posted that it is a human problem. Which includes both sexes. Violence is not appropriate and should not be directed at either sex.
 

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I agree . I also know based on experience we don't know if he is or not....I would lean towards not.At the most to a drunken situation that got out of hand. But since I don't have the full file setting on my desk I don't know.And to make my statement clear,I am only interested in the physical evidence. A true statement from one of my mentors.Witnesses can lie,lawyers can lie,judges can lie BUT the evidence never lies.
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If the glove doesnt fit....
 

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I've posted that it is a human problem. Which includes both sexes. Violence is not appropriate and should not be directed at either sex.

In that, we agree. I have noticed that many others on here don't take the issue seriously, however, and are unwilling to evaluate their own assumptions about who is guilty and why they think that way.
 

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In that, we agree. I have noticed that many others on here don't take the issue seriously, however, and are unwilling to evaluate their own assumptions about who is guilty and why they think that way.

I apologize if I jumped on you too harshly. Domestic violence is a problem that needs to be taken seriously. All victims are just that. They don't need to be criticized for reporting the perpetrator and receiving help. this is true if you are male, female, gay, strait, bi, and every race and ethnicity. It is clear that you care about the issue.
 

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To login to this forum, all I see is posts about how the woman lied, the judge didn't listen, she's only after his money etc. Instead of a real discussion over what's happened. I've seen very little to.nothing on the woman's perspective on here. All we know is that the charges are dropped and that's it. But what I see on the forum is a very one sided perspective--the male's perspective

My guess is that most of us would be willing to let this lie and never speak of it again were it not for the self-appointed moralists who come on this forum to pollute a discussion that should be about football with political/social/moral issues.

The charges were dropped. That should have been the end of it. It hasn't been. We continue to hear how Hardy is a "woman beater", how the Cowboys shouldn't be considering adding this guy when they let a "good guy" like Murray walk. It's all noise . Neither the "male's perspective" nor the "woman's perspective" has any relevance to what is strictly a football decision about player personnel. Why can't we just focus on the "coach's perspective" and the "fan's perspective"?
 

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I apologize if I jumped on you too harshly. Domestic violence is a problem that needs to be taken seriously. All victims are just that. They don't need to be criticized for reporting the perpetrator and receiving help. this is true if you are male, female, gay, strait, bi, and every race and ethnicity. It is clear that you care about the issue.

Likewise. Good to talk with someone like you--even if we have differences of opinion or miscommunication. My wife is very involved with this work and I am starting to realize some of my.own biases.sorry for not communicating more clearly, I was walking to the store at lunch and it is very cold in Canada
 

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wow this board has really turned to TMZ... you think I care what this guy does in private. As long as he can sack the QB and get this team to a SB thats all that matters. Were all judges here little peeping Tom's in peoples lives sickening reality show crap, new generation..

That girl he dated seemed like a handful too. Maybe we can sign them both. If she can dip the shoulder and turn and pressure the QB, that would be a scary duo
 

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In that, we agree. I have noticed that many others on here don't take the issue seriously, however, and are unwilling to evaluate their own assumptions about who is guilty and why they think that way.

I think the people that have discussed the topic here the most have taken the time to read as much as they could. We have discussed the 911 calls, the bench trial, the testimony and the charges being dropped based on what has been reported, not on assumptions. A few people have been judgmental on both sides of the discussion, but I think it has been pretty reasonable.
 

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I have said this many times he called 911. He didn't have to pay her off they had no evidence against him. Again if he is suspended would be a travesty
 

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My guess is that most of us would be willing to let this lie and never speak of it again were it not for the self-appointed moralists who come on this forum to pollute a discussion that should be about football with political/social/moral issues.

The charges were dropped. That should have been the end of it. It hasn't been. We continue to hear how Hardy is a "woman beater", how the Cowboys shouldn't be considering adding this guy when they let a "good guy" like Murray walk. It's all noise . Neither the "male's perspective" nor the "woman's perspective" has any relevance to what is strictly a football decision about player personnel. Why can't we just focus on the "coach's perspective" and the "fan's perspective"?

I've said my piece about.it. So yeah, I'm ready to move.on as well. Coincidentally, my lunch is.over
 

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She gave a mutually exclusive account to the police as opposed to the one that she gave to the first judge. that means they cannot both be true.

You are obviously intent on making poorly informed judgment so don't let me get in your way though.

Hardy was convicted in his bench trial; upon his appeal the DA was prepared to take it to trial only to have his star witness fail to turn up ...but I'm the one making "poorly informed judgements".

Ok, chief. Whatever you say.
 

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Hardy was convicted in his bench trial; upon his appeal the DA was prepared to take it to trial only to have his star witness fail to turn up ...but I'm the one making "poorly informed judgements".

Ok, chief. Whatever you say.

So you ignore the new -to you- information and double down. Nice.
 
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