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[big dog cowboy]

2. What level of comp pick would you expect his contract with another team to net us if we didn't resign any qualifying free agents.

Losing Hardy won't net us a comp draft pick I believe.

 

[Galian Beast]

In that case, what if we trade our top pick this year for someone's top pick and 2nd pick next year?

I feel like Romo is running out of time, but the 4th pick is worth a lot more than that.

 

[JoeKing]

I feel like Romo is running out of time, but the 4th pick is worth a lot more than that.

None of us are immune to father time so we can't kid ourselves when it comes to Romo. He may have a couple years in him but he is running out of time. I don't think it's wise to let a rookie QB be the starter in his first couple of years so we need to get that guy on the roster ASAP. Not using our 4th overall pick this year to fil that need would be a huge mistake. Goff, Wentz or Lynch will be available so we must get one. The real question is which one will it be. I think Goff will already be gone. I originally favored drafting Lynch but now I'm leaning toward Wentz. Neither, IMO is a bad pick so we just need Jerry to make it happen.

 

[Oh_Canada]

Yea, something doesn't seem right about this whole situation.

If Hardy was doing all of this, why did Garrett basically stick his head in the sand and ignore it, yet other players were released for dress code violations

He wasn't and most of the transgressions are greatly exaggerated based on what local guys who don't have an axe to grind are saying.
People keep referring to the comments of a free agent has been like Mincey, but ignore two younger long term players opinion of the guy. I know people think Garrett is a puppet, personally I believe he has a lot more autonomy than most. If Hardy was constantly late and out of shape neither Garrett, nor Maranelli would stand for it and would have been cut before the season ended.

 

[CCBoy]

i dont expect one. Dallas has to spend some money this offseason. They are still below the minimum spending floor thats in the CBA. I think they were at 85% last time i saw something on it. IMO they have to sign atleast 1 big FA this offseason to help with that situation. This is the yr they have to be complient to the spending. And with no real FAs of their own that will command such a raise, i think its a perfect yr for Dallas to go out and spend. They need 1 to 2 good sized SB deals.

Let one be at cornerback and another at safety. I wouldn't be upset with QB and RB at a high backup level as well.

 

[RandyOh]

I'm not saying the kid (Gregory) is without talent, but he currently stands at a big fat 0 in the sack column.

Yes, he was injured and didn't get a whole lot of playing time. 2 reasons, he's puny and regardless of how talented Hardy is, if you're talented you also get on the field. Like Mincey calls him, lil Randy needs to earn his playimg time and you do that by making your talent evident. At this point I'm not so sure we should talk so confident about anyone backing Gregory up. 2nd round pick or supposed prospective top 5-10 talent.

That rookie road grader we plugged in at LG this year earned his playing time and when he received his opportunity his talent was as evident as anyone's on the field.

We require a menace opposite of Lawrence. I have seen teams win a Superbowl with Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson at QB. Eli Manning a couple times. But boy did those teams have a menace to go after the oppositions QB in those games.

Regarding Adrian Clayborn, 3 sacks last season. Yes playing on the same line as Gerald McCoy. Not Tyrone Crawford.

the DE position is not a position rookies usually come in and impact right off the back. He has all the tools, moves, and motor to be fine at RDE. Adrian Clayborn is a cheap option who is starting material. Yes he only had a few sacks but he also had like 8 hurries as the back up in Atlanta. Not to mention he is still very solid at defending the run.

 

[RS12]

I'd be taking ZERO options off the table at DE.

I do not for one second believe Hardy is completely written off. If he'd been benched like Mincey perhaps but not with him getting 90% of the snaps available to him all year.
Now did we cool off on him a bit and may not want to pay him franchise DE money? Very possible, even likely.

But Mario Williams or Greg Hardy? Give me the cheaper guy. Not sure either is a perfect teammate and the chance either live up to 75m type contracts is slim like it is for anyone not at QB.

Mid-level FA DE's cost a lot. You gotta hope you can find one that slips through cracks but again I remind everyone this free agency year is flooded with cap cash.

You are thinking the team leaked the Hardy info to take his other options off the table or make them less attractive?

 

[rockj7]

He did. He didn't like Rex (not that it's an excuse) but if we're in win now mode we need to draft bpa in positions tbat have early impact in my opinion. DE and WR take time to develop

If we draft a Wentz are we still in win now mode? The only old players we have on our team are Romo Witten Doug Free Carr and Lee everyone else is,real young

 

[Yakuza Rich]

If Hardy is not resigned, which is appearing likely, I have two reated questions:

1. What is the perceived need to draft a DE high in the draft or FA;, and,

I think it is probably a big need as perceived by the team. For me, it's not as big of a need as cornerback and more importantly, safety. Jerry can't figure out how to put together a defense because he still thinks it's 1995 and you can get by with average safeties, cover corners that can't tackle and a pass rush. The game isn't like that anymore...but Jerry will keep on trying. Learning from past mistakes is something Jerry doesn't do well.

2. What level of comp pick would you expect his contract with another team to net us if we didn't resign any qualifying free agents.

A 7th if we're lucky. Hardy will be signed to a very low deal which would make it more ridiculous that we don't re-sign him. Somebody like Seattle or Philadelphia will pick him up (no on New England since they are still reeling from Aaron Hernandez). But hey, he said he was 'coming out guns ablazing' and that Tom Brady was a 'cool guy' because he inferred that his wife, arguably the most popular super model in the past 20 years...was hot. That hurts the fragile sensibilities of our Head Politician...er, I mean Head Coach.






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[Mr Cowboy]

lol yeah just keep getting more de's !!!!!!!
But no big heavy DT !!
@ high draft picks yeilded very little so far.

They better keep hardy. or they wont have a pass rush at all.

The old saying of "you can't have a steak on every plate," some here want to have 2 or 3 steaks on some plates and ramen noodles on far too many others. We have steak on some plates now, we need to add some chicken fried, and hamburger on others to make this thing go.

 

[Kaiser]

Losing Hardy won't net us a comp draft pick I believe.

I believe it would. The exact formula is pretty arcane and not available to the unwashed masses, but a big consideration is how much total cash ends up being paid to the player. Hardy's contract this year only had 573K of guaranteed money (which is almost zero under the rule of 53) but with incentives he made about eight Million. And still - that cancels out the comp pick we would have received for DeMarco Murray. So the same formula this year would net us a comp pick after the 3rd or 4th round.

I think its irrelevant though, I think the best scenario for both Hardy and the Cowboys (by a wide margin) is another one year contract that is almost entirely incentives.

 

[Alexander]

If Hardy is not resigned, which is appearing likely, I have two reated questions:

1. What is the perceived need to draft a DE high in the draft or FA

Extremely high in the draft. Especially since Lawrence has gone under the knife.

Where before Bosa was more of a "but he is a LDE", he becomes more attractive.

You are not going to find much of anything in FA unless you get all excited by the Minceys and Selvies of the world.

 

[LocimusPrime]

All the playoff teams had between 42-53 sacks. We should be looking to improve our dline to get it to playoff level. We had 32 pitiful sacks last year, so we subtract Hardy and are hoping that his departure will help us get better?

What will gregory get us - 2 sacks? Maybe 3. Lawrence maybe 6-8 now that he gets all the attention. T crawford- 4? How do we get to 42?

 

[KingintheNorth]

All the playoff teams had between 42-53 sacks. We should be looking to improve our dline to get it to playoff level. We had 32 pitiful sacks last year, so we subtract Hardy and are hoping that his departure will help us get better?

What will gregory get us - 2 sacks? Maybe 3. Lawrence maybe 6-8 now that he gets all the attention. T crawford- 4? How do we get to 42?

You are hung up on sack numbers and actual production...

Nick names, bro..nick names. We're fine.

 

[Alexander]

All the playoff teams had between 42-53 sacks. We should be looking to improve our dline to get it to playoff level. We had 32 pitiful sacks last year, so we subtract Hardy and are hoping that his departure will help us get better?

What will gregory get us - 2 sacks? Maybe 3. Lawrence maybe 6-8 now that he gets all the attention. T crawford- 4? How do we get to 42?

Interior pressure is the real way to get the sack totals up. As long as we have a one armed Crawford and Hayden as our two inside, it is not going to jump. Edge rushers can be diverted.

To me, an elite inside player is just as valuable. I know people want to pretend Crawford could be, but I think we are wasting our time with that.

 

[AKATheRake]

the DE position is not a position rookies usually come in and impact right off the back. He has all the tools, moves, and motor to be fine at RDE. Adrian Clayborn is a cheap option who is starting material. Yes he only had a few sacks but he also had like 8 hurries as the back up in Atlanta. Not to mention he is still very solid at defending the run.

I am aware of all of this but it is such an important position and it's so necessary to get pressure on the oppositions QB that there needs to be surety as well a viable rotation so that fatigue and injury are as minimized as possible.

We have the # 4 overall pick and there are 2 marquee pass rushers that could very well be there at that pick if there is not a QB we are interested in at that selection. Having 3 good DE's brought 2 SB's to the Giants.

We have suffered in the sack department the last several seasons.

Hard to create turnovers which is what wins games and hard to close out winnable games when you can't hit the oppositions QB.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

why wouldn't he? Hardy was shut down by rookie; and back up OT's. If you're insinuating that he commanded double teams, go back and look. After the first few games, he didn't do much, especially at the end of the season. He wasn't the difference maker he was brought in and paid for.

Let him walk, sign Mario Williams or Ware to come in and share snaps with Gregory. Re-sign Mincey as well, he got as many sacks the year before with a worse defense, than Hardy got last year.

Hardy was shut down by double teams, chips and having his inside move taken away for playing next to Hayden. The LG cheated over constantly and MArinelli would take advantage by blitzing and stunting into that vacant A gap. The rookie and the rest had lots of help.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

So help me understand the logic here. You cut White, Randle, Michael for not being a RKG, and all the while, Hardy is not showing up to meetings, partying, and seemingly being worse than any of the other cuts

In return, you play Hardy more snaps than any other DL at multiple positions, let him start every game and continue this even after you become officially eliminated from anything. But you rik and want to eat almost $1M per game and risk more if he accumulates sacks when you have no intention of resigning and he is a cancer. If there was ever an opportunity to "make a statement" I cant seam to think of one that would scream it more than this.

Yet none of that happened. So either the story doesn't jive or the Cowboys are so inconsistent and dysfunctional that you can never expect logic or thirdly both of the aforementioned can be true, which likely cant be discounted.

The only thing that seems consistent is that if there is a way to come off looking like a chaotic organization - they find it

Your issue is you are attributing monolithic thought to an organization with multiple executives. Garrett could be doing one thing and the Jones another and you will get the dissonance you are talking about. Marinelli built his defense around him by isolating him on the weakside without the 3T. The Jones have their own thing.

 

[Mr Cowboy]

All the playoff teams had between 42-53 sacks. We should be looking to improve our dline to get it to playoff level. We had 32 pitiful sacks last year, so we subtract Hardy and are hoping that his departure will help us get better?

What will gregory get us - 2 sacks? Maybe 3. Lawrence maybe 6-8 now that he gets all the attention. T crawford- 4? How do we get to 42?

Well last year at this time, Gregory was looked upon like Bosa is now, a top 5 to top 10, can't miss pass rusher. The cowboys got him in the second round and celebrated their good fortunes of getting a top 10 pick in the second round. Two years ago, they spent a 2nd and third rounder on Lawrence. You have to give them time to develop, and that would be the same if Bosa was drafted at 4. We spent high draft choices on DEs already you can't keep doing that when you have other needs.

DTs don't seem to be a priority to this team, but they have a high priced one in Crawford, using the 4th pick to sit behind Crawford makes no sense IMO. You absolutely don't take a Nose tackle at 4, especially when you have the Golden Cock on your team. At LB you have Lee and by necessity you have McClain. By necessity I mean that the DTs can't protect the MLB from the OLinemen, so you need a big MLB who can take on blocks. They have also drafted LBs in the 4th round the past 2 seasons and in other rounds as well. If Jack is the choice, he's not beating out Lee and would get stomped in the middle. There is not a safety worth taking in the first 2 rounds, and I don't see the point of drafting CB in the first round, the cowboys wither can't evaluate that position or can't develop the talent.

 

[cowboyschmps3]

I'm not a fan of anyone at 4 right now. That could change.

I think that Mario Williams would be a good free agent addition, but he just can't cost too much.

I like this option just that you never know with Mario and the money he's going to ask. Bosa would come in and be that big rotational guy that can kick inside on 3rd down. I'm actually hoping the pigeons don't get Mario since try got his ex-DC.