Ramsey playing corner

[CCBoy]

We don't need a SDE. And i'd prefer to go secondary to MLB...especially with a guy like Jack who has to answer questions on his instincts.

Now if Smith hadn't been injured...

He would still be a good pick up, if he passes a Cowboy physical.

 

[Rogerthat12]

Obviously, this was an oversight...and instead of Charles, Darren should have been the reference...which it was in the article posted as well.

Thank you for just admitting this fact.

 

[Rogerthat12]

I have posted articles on him...and that part is self evident...rooty toot toot.

Now, what was your non Homie comment about position applications? Or are you just a blowhart?

At least either Charles or Darren hits topic, unlike your burn barrel buddy routine.

If it were self evident, one would think you would argue about the correct player.

Not understanding any of your comments but at least you admit your oversight down below.

 

[CCBoy]

Thank you for just admitting this fact.

So what? I don't have a problem stating what is correct. I don't insult just on the basis of someone making a slight mistake.

Unlike this generation, I set names and memory to second fiddle to concepts and sacrifices to get to a place based upon culture. When I was a player, and someone lined up over me...I didn't give a damn what his name was!

Feign not understanding and high grounds of one's own...to someone who also will listen to your song and dance...still no subject matter discussion. You a devout coward?

 

[Rogerthat12]

So what? I don't have a problem stating what is correct. I don't insult just on the basis of someone making a slight mistake.

Unlike this generation, I set names and memory to second fiddle to concepts and sacrifices to get to a place based upon culture. When I was a player, and someone lined up over me...I didn't give a damn what his name was!

I never insulted you, I simply stated you had the wrong Woodson.

Names matter regardless when you are the one making an argument.

 

[IrishAnto]

He looks pretty good to me as a corner.

He's big, moves well, plays the run, doesn't get beat. The only thing is you don't see a lot of INT's.

And therein lies the problem.

I didn't like the Claiborne pick in 2012 but I could see the logic (11 INT's in the final two years).

Ramsey has a total of 3 INT's.

Now if Dallas was noted for getting loads of INT's from it's DBs then I might say they could turn Ramsey's numbers around, but as we know the opposite is the case.

What we need is a turnover machine and as it stands Ramsey doesn't look the part.

 

[CCBoy]

And therein lies the problem.

I didn't like the Claiborne pick in 2012 but I could see the logic (11 INT's in the final two years).

Ramsey has a total of 3 INT's.

Now if Dallas was noted for getting loads of INT's from it's DBs then I might say they could turn Ramsey's numbers around, but as we know the opposite is the case.

What we need is a turnover machine and as it stands Ramsey doesn't look the part.

He has similar indicators as did Jones in the previous draft. You wouldn't be tempted to put a matched pair of quality safeties in this Cowboy secondary?

They both would have flex to cornerback as well.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Straight up, Ramsey grades out slightly higher than did Jones last season.

I have no doubt he does, but I would not take Jones, with or without hindsight with the 4th pick

 

[conner01]

Also I have no idea where we play Ramsey if we were to draft him. Probably some of everywhere.

I just find it funny how suddenly people are gnashing their teeth at the thought of using back to back high picks on Safety when the refrain for so long was a....gnashing of our teeth about how we've ignored the position for so long.

I love how people want to have their cake and eat it too.

Not from me
I think jones can be a good safety but other than the trenches not sure it's smart to spend back to back first rnd picks on any position
I think dline and oline can be justified, not sure safety can

 

[Manwiththeplan]

I will put out here right now. If he goes to the right situation, he is as good or better than Gurley.

I wouldn't say Gurley went to a good situation though. Below average o-line, QB and WRs, he was the offense. So if Elliot were to land here, yea, he'd likely be statistically superior to Gurley, but no where near as good as Gurley would have been here imo.

 

[CCBoy]

I have no doubt he does, but I would not take Jones, with or without hindsight with the 4th pick

Different drafts and different slots all together...Dallas may have ended up with a better cornerback than a flexible safety.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Different drafts and different slots all together...Dallas may have ended up with a better cornerback than a flexible safety.

which was my point, saying Ramsey > BJones really has no relevance on what we should do with the 4th pick.

 

[CCBoy]

which was my point, saying Ramsey > BJones really has no relevance on what we should do with the 4th pick.

You worrying about point values when positional and real solutions are needed? You go Mr. IRS.

Straight up, I'm betting a 3 liter coke here and now, that he will produce as well as the other first rounders taken under Jason Garrett.

If I were straining for a franchise level quarterback, I would strain the gnats and swallow the camel. We already have a current and functional franchise quarterback in Tony Romo. Now, I set about improving my team...not the flavor de jur.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Move on Gentlemen.

 

[CCBoy]

Move on Gentlemen.

The term adelante was used by the conquering Spaniards...until on an expedition, they released Spanish stallions and cattle. From those horses and the early rancheros by the Spanish with slave Pueblo Indians, the knowledge and access to a desert kind of horse was invented for the Indian cultures. From 1600 - 1650, a huge change occurred and the Comanches became the greatest Cavalry in the world and came back to haunt those Spaniards from that point onwards. Those Comanches pushed the Apaches into closer proximity of Mexico, and were a thorn in their sides also, from that point.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

The term adelante was used by the conquering Spaniards...until on an expedition, they released Spanish stallions and cattle. From those horses and the early rancheros by the Spanish with slave Pueblo Indians, the knowledge and access to a desert kind of horse was invented for the Indian cultures. From 1600 - 1650, a huge change occurred and the Comanches became the greatest Cavalry in the world and came back to haunt those Spaniards from that point onwards. Those Comanches pushed the Apaches into closer proximity of Mexico, and were a thorn in their sides also, from that point.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

You worrying about point values when positional and real solutions are needed? You go Mr. IRS.

Well, you're assumption is wrong. While it's known that I want a QB at #4, I think I've also made it known that I want no part of Ramsey. My disagreement is I do not view him as a "real solution," positional yes, but a "real solution," no.

And you can just as easy make what ever point you are trying to make, without the little insults (and yoda like speak you tend to favor). At no point prior to this, did I offer any insult, just an opposing point of view.

 

[CCBoy]

Well, you're assumption is wrong. While it's known that I want a QB at #4, I think I've also made it known that I want no part of Ramsey. My disagreement is I do not view him as a "real solution," positional yes, but a "real solution," no.

And you can just as easy make what ever point you are trying to make, without the little insults (and yoda like speak you tend to favor). At no point prior to this, did I offer any insult, just an opposing point of view.

The focus was on over analysis akin to micro managing a team. A valid gamble by the presented parameters, would be justified if a franchise quarterback was the gamble. Otherwise, not point value, but team positional groups that develop the team becomes the parameter.

Just on the basis of positional flex and actual statistically accepted player strength points, Ramsey does qualify as a legitimate addition for the Cowboys, and not just someone else's favorite or a general point value on a team. One goes for high production in a team setting. That warrants stronger considerations than just another positional player. We have projections that are not written in stone, hence, bringing up a value, as quality and interchangeable parts that can keep an opponents offense second guessing throughout a game. The evaluations will continue through the Combine.

That, applied to Ramsey, means a very quality safety/cornerback projection that can be improved upon during free agency. Free agency will show potential value directions, and not whether one can see it now.

I see a combo of Jones/Ramsey, as fully functional as was Woodson/Williams...even if but for two seasons then, due to a dislocated disc for Darren in Training Camp.

 

[TheFinisher]

The league is trending towards bigger corners, Ramsey is the new prototype.

 

[MikeT22]

Maybe we can trade up so we make sure we get Ramsey. Kind of like when we gave up a 2nd to move up for Claiborne. Secondary wins championships!