Ramsey playing corner

[Toruk_Makto]

If they see Ramsey as a CB then it does fill a need. Don't see spending a high pick on a safety assuming jones plays safety since that would mean back to back top picks on safety
I would rather sign a fa CB myself and draft a QB but I think you may be right that the team is leaning that way

Also I have no idea where we play Ramsey if we were to draft him. Probably some of everywhere.

I just find it funny how suddenly people are gnashing their teeth at the thought of using back to back high picks on Safety when the refrain for so long was a....gnashing of our teeth about how we've ignored the position for so long.

I love how people want to have their cake and eat it too.

 

[MikeT22]

Also I have no idea where we play Ramsey if we were to draft him. Probably some of everywhere.

I just find it funny how suddenly people are gnashing their teeth at the thought of using back to back high picks on Safety when the refrain for so long was a....gnashing of our teeth about how we've ignored the position for so long.

I love how people want to have their cake and eat it too.

Ignoring the position and using back to back first rounders on the position are two extremes.

It is actually possible to upgrade from Church/Wilcox without using a top 5 pick on the position or even a first round pick. I have no problem with Byron Jones. But it is entirely possible to further upgrade either through FA or by drafting a safety in the 2nd or 3rd round.

 

[CCBoy]

Ignoring the position and using back to back first rounders on the position are two extremes.

It is actually possible to upgrade from Church/Wilcox without using a top 5 pick on the position or even a first round pick. I have no problem with Byron Jones. But it is entirely possible to further upgrade either through FA or by drafting a safety in the 2nd or 3rd round.

What, you wouldn't be interested in a match pair of safeties that could match up with when Dallas had Charles Woodson and Roy Williams? Roy was a high first rounder as well.

A matched pair with hip to hip talent and who could be interchanged on the drop of a dime, or even given a cornerback's duties on a scheme call as well.

 

[MikeT22]

What, you wouldn't be interested in a match pair of safeties that could match up with when Dallas had Charles Woodson and Roy Williams? Roy was a high first rounder as well.

A matched pair with hip to hip talent and who could be interchanged on the drop of a dime, or even given a cornerback's duties on a scheme call as well.

I'd be more interested in using the #4 elsewhere and taking a quality safety in the 2nd or 3rd round to pair with B. Jones.

 

[CCBoy]

I'd be more interested in using the #4 elsewhere and taking a quality safety in the 2nd or 3rd round to pair with B. Jones.

So you are an advocate for change and not truly elevating and fixing a reocuring problem...it'll probably take another whole decade or two before this opportunity represents itself.

Unless one wants a temporary 'fix' and pays out the kazoo for it.

 

[MikeT22]

So you are an advocate for change and not truly elevating and fixing a reocuring problem...it'll probably take another whole decade or two before this opportunity represents itself.

Unless one wants a temporary 'fix' and pays out the kazoo for it.

Interesting hot take.

Unlike you, I don't agree that Ramsey is a once in a decade or two must have player. Also not sure how drafting a quality safety in the 2nd or 3rd round would be a 'temporary fix' or cause us to pay out the 'kazoo'. lol.

 

[Risen Star]

I will always cherish the Charles Woodson years as a Cowboys fan.

ROH. Pronto.

 

[CCBoy]

Interesting hot take.

Unlike you, I don't agree that Ramsey is a once in a decade or two must have player. Also not sure how drafting a quality safety in the 2nd or 3rd round would be a 'temporary fix' or cause us to pay out the 'kazoo'. lol.

Never were good at reading comprehension and listening...huh?

The comparison was with a prior Cowboy pair of safeties, Charles Woodson and Roy Williams...ever see that quality together before?

Of course not, someone is too busy arguing for it's own sake...carry on, but with someone else.

 

[MikeT22]

Never were good at reading comprehension and listening...huh?

The comparison was with a prior Cowboy pair of safeties, Charles Woodson and Roy Williams...ever see that quality together before?

Of course not, someone is too busy arguing for it's own sake...carry on, but with someone else.

What? Charles Woodson?

Also what does this have to do with the Ramsey thread?

 

[CCBoy]

What? Charles Woodson?

Also what does this have to do with the Ramsey thread?

Back to your burn barrel. Good night John Boy...

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Ignoring the position and using back to back first rounders on the position are two extremes.

It is actually possible to upgrade from Church/Wilcox without using a top 5 pick on the position or even a first round pick. I have no problem with Byron Jones. But it is entirely possible to further upgrade either through FA or by drafting a safety in the 2nd or 3rd round.

Yes. It is possible to upgrade a position in many different ways possible. Thank you for sharing.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Interesting hot take.

Unlike you, I don't agree that Ramsey is a once in a decade or two must have player. Also not sure how drafting a quality safety in the 2nd or 3rd round would be a 'temporary fix' or cause us to pay out the 'kazoo'. lol.

None of the players appear to be "once in a decade or two" type players. Those are the breaks.

It appears at this juncture that Ramsey is considered one of the handful of best players in the draft who are healthy (poor Smith). If that is the case you take him and don't look back.

 

[MikeT22]

Yes. It is possible to upgrade a position in many different ways possible. Thank you for sharing.

You're welcome.

 

[MikeT22]

None of the players appear to be "once in a decade or two" type players. Those are the breaks.

It appears at this juncture that Ramsey is considered one of the handful of best players in the draft who are healthy (poor Smith). If that is the case you take him and don't look back.

If we don't trade out I expect we'll be choosing from Bosa, Jack or Ramsey. If that's the case I prefer Bosa or Jack.

 

[CCBoy]

None of the players appear to be "once in a decade or two" type players. Those are the breaks.

It appears at this juncture that Ramsey is considered one of the handful of best players in the draft who are healthy (poor Smith). If that is the case you take him and don't look back.

A comparison of Jones/Ramsey to Woodson/Williams...why?



Williams was selected by the Dallas Cowboys with the eighth overall pick of the 2002 NFL Draft after a trade with the Kansas City Chiefs. He was known throughout the league for his hard hitting and his tackling skills during running plays. With the arrival of Ken Hamlin from Seattle, Williams had the luxury to move closer to the line of scrimmage to blitz and cover short passes during nickel or dime situations.

As a rookie in 2002, he was moved to free safety in order to play alongside strong safety Darren Woodson. However, the Cowboys defensive scheme that year allowed both players to interchange positions as to allow confusion for the opposing offenses. Williams was also runner-up for Defensive Rookie of the Year.

In 2003, Williams with the mentoring of Woodson, enjoyed a stellar season and his first trip to the Pro Bowl as he was part of the Cowboys' number one ranked defense and helped lead the team to its first playoff game since 1999.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

If we don't trade out I expect we'll be choosing from Bosa, Jack or Ramsey. If that's the case I prefer Bosa or Jack.

We don't need a SDE. And i'd prefer to go secondary to MLB...especially with a guy like Jack who has to answer questions on his instincts.

Now if Smith hadn't been injured...

 

[Rogerthat12]

What, you wouldn't be interested in a match pair of safeties that could match up with when Dallas had Charles Woodson and Roy Williams? Roy was a high first rounder as well.

A matched pair with hip to hip talent and who could be interchanged on the drop of a dime, or even given a cornerback's duties on a scheme call as well.

Dallas never had Charles Woodson, we had Darren Woodson, just to be clear!

 

[Rogerthat12]

I will always cherish the Charles Woodson years as a Cowboys fan.

ROH. Pronto.

 

[CCBoy]

Dallas never had Charles Woodson, we had Darren Woodson, just to be clear!

I have posted articles on him...and that part is self evident...rooty toot toot.

Now, what was your non Homie comment about position applications? Or are you just a blowhart?

At least either Charles or Darren hits topic, unlike your burn barrel buddy routine.

 

[CCBoy]

Never were good at reading comprehension and listening...huh?

The comparison was with a prior Cowboy pair of safeties, Charles Woodson and Roy Williams...ever see that quality together before?

Of course not, someone is too busy arguing for it's own sake...carry on, but with someone else.

Obviously, this was an oversight...and instead of Charles, Darren should have been the reference...which it was in the article posted as well.