Are we really trying to win now or build for the future?

[visionary]

They just did that yesterday with Thornton. They filled key need that will have an impact this year and beyond he's just 27.

How long have people been saying we need a good 1T DT? Why did it take our FO having to take a beating to come to this realization ?

A good example of the reactionary nature of the "rebuilding plan"

There is no real plan at all

 

[DuDa]

The recent re-signings of Charles Brown and Kyle Wilbur suggest we are loading up for a Super Bowl run.

 

[KJJ]

Only 3 playoff wins in 20 years despite having a franchise QB the past 10 years and haven't gotten past the second round of the playoffs since the teams last SB win in 95. The Cowboys have no idea what they're doing.

 

[8FOR!3]

I still like Carson Wentz at #4 if he's available.

 

[KJJ]

The NFL is a win now league doubt any team enters a season with the attitude it's going to be a rough year as they build for the future. We just saw a Carolina team go from 7-8-1 to 15-1 and the SB. If you have a franchise QB there's no excuse to have only 2 playoff wins during their 10 year tenure. We've been seeing the same issues on defense for more than a decade. You would have to go back maybe 15+ years to find the last Cowboys team that had a solid secondary that could cover and make plays. The Cowboys have invested four #1 picks on CB's since 2003 including a couple of top 10 picks and the secondary continues to struggle. Regardless what changes we make defensively personnel or scheme wise we see the same issues almost every season.

The offense has carried the team for years but now with Romo aging and not being able to stay healthy and Dez coming off an injury plagued 2015 season the concern is if the offense is going to start to decline. Although we have a very solid OL we don't have an elite runner and once you get past Dez the receiving core hasn't been very impressive. It's going to take a great draft and some solid free agent acquisitions along with Romo staying healthy to prevent the Cowboys from suffering through another disappointing season in 2016. The future of this team doesn't look very bright having an aging, injury prone QB along with a defense that can't force turnovers and has more holes than a pack of swiss cheese.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

The Cowboys actions dictate otherwise. They have said and pretty much made it clear through their actions that they do not believe in paying a lot of money for the TB position. So they wouldn't go above $12MM guaranteed for Murray, $14MM guaranteed for Miller who they had interest in. Knowing that, they would be doing a 180 on their own policy on TBs if they took Elliott at 4 because Elliott would be guaranteed almost $23-24MM based on rookie contracts.

I don't think there is really any chance they take Elliott at 4. It would go against their policy on paying a lot of money to a position that takes a beating and they believe wears down quickly.

Maybe a trade back and then Elliott? Possibly.

My guess is they go TB this year 3rd or 4th round.

The Cowboys aren't willing to pay age at the RB position. If Zeke was a transcendent talent like AD when he came out they'd consider him at 4 no doubt. Zeke is not.

 

[coult44]

Are we really trying to win now or build for the future? because to me honestly as i sit and really think about where we are and how far we got to go as a team taking personal feeling out of it, so if we are really trying to win now then in my mind we've already created a formula in todays game that worked for us and our team the way it is structured and thats the 2014 formula which is run more keep tony from having to make the plays all the time.. Elliot would seem to be the best bet imo because Elliott can score if he get to the open field which is something i look for now a days considering tony and taken some of the burden off him so much................

imo he can save Romo from himself and maybe he can play a whole 16 games (not banking on it tho).. so to me if we are being honest wouldnt Elliott be the best choice for us in the long run for win now mentality? because to me yea yea i understand u can find a good back in the later rounds but normally they are just that, good nothing special so the way i see it u got Dez here Beasley there whoever on outside hopefully and upgrade more consistent wr and an ELITE Oline with that kid behind it after seeing what he did to Alabama Def, which is the closest thing you'll see on a college level to an NFL Defense, he's rookie of the year in my opinion..........

Whats wrong with having an Elite type back behind this line because a good back is all he's gonna be most likely is just good why not have a potential top tier rb behind this really really good oline im thinking about win now (still got to get a lil better in pass blocking but they r developing) .. Because I'm sorry Bosa at 4 history tells me he's not gonna get sacks like that 1st year hardly any rookie pass rushers come out poppin in the NFL like that ........... so thats my question take feelings and ur pet cat and the # 4 pick out of it because to me ur no longer paying these top 10 picks 50 mill 40 mill contracts...

side note i am a fan of Henry so i wouldnt be to mad if we got Bosa (even tho im not a fan of Bosa) if you can guarantee we will getrb Henry in 2nd or end of round 1 cause i think he would be really good in our system too.... thats the only way id agree with that if we are trying to win now


sorry for the long post when i got to typing so much of my reasons of why i feel like this came out and i wanted to be clear where im coming from as an overall just want to know how do yall feel about it

You just can't take a RB at 4 anymore. I love ELliot. I want him here so I can start an E"squared" fan club lol, but it's hard in today's game value wise. If we could trade down a few and get him around 10-12 and pick up a second or next years first, I'd do it.

 

[Rockport]

The Cowboys actions dictate otherwise. They have said and pretty much made it clear through their actions that they do not believe in paying a lot of money for the TB position. So they wouldn't go above $12MM guaranteed for Murray, $14MM guaranteed for Miller who they had interest in. Knowing that, they would be doing a 180 on their own policy on TBs if they took Elliott at 4 because Elliott would be guaranteed almost $23-24MM based on rookie contracts.

I don't think there is really any chance they take Elliott at 4. It would go against their policy on paying a lot of money to a position that takes a beating and they believe wears down quickly.

Maybe a trade back and then Elliott? Possibly.

My guess is they go TB this year 3rd or 4th round.

Yeah it's just smart football to draft a RB in the first round and ignore the weakest part of the team which is defense. That's just solid logic.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Are we really trying to win now or build for the future? because to me honestly as i sit and really think about where we are and how far we got to go as a team taking personal feeling out of it, so if we are really trying to win now then in my mind we've already created a formula in todays game that worked for us and our team the way it is structured and thats the 2014 formula which is run more keep tony from having to make the plays all the time.. Elliot would seem to be the best bet imo because Elliott can score if he get to the open field which is something i look for now a days considering tony and taken some of the burden off him so much................

imo he can save Romo from himself and maybe he can play a whole 16 games (not banking on it tho).. so to me if we are being honest wouldnt Elliott be the best choice for us in the long run for win now mentality? because to me yea yea i understand u can find a good back in the later rounds but normally they are just that, good nothing special so the way i see it u got Dez here Beasley there whoever on outside hopefully and upgrade more consistent wr and an ELITE Oline with that kid behind it after seeing what he did to Alabama Def, which is the closest thing you'll see on a college level to an NFL Defense, he's rookie of the year in my opinion..........

Whats wrong with having an Elite type back behind this line because a good back is all he's gonna be most likely is just good why not have a potential top tier rb behind this really really good oline im thinking about win now (still got to get a lil better in pass blocking but they r developing) .. Because I'm sorry Bosa at 4 history tells me he's not gonna get sacks like that 1st year hardly any rookie pass rushers come out poppin in the NFL like that ........... so thats my question take feelings and ur pet cat and the # 4 pick out of it because to me ur no longer paying these top 10 picks 50 mill 40 mill contracts...

side note i am a fan of Henry so i wouldnt be to mad if we got Bosa (even tho im not a fan of Bosa) if you can guarantee we will getrb Henry in 2nd or end of round 1 cause i think he would be really good in our system too.... thats the only way id agree with that if we are trying to win now


sorry for the long post when i got to typing so much of my reasons of why i feel like this came out and i wanted to be clear where im coming from as an overall just want to know how do yall feel about it

That's all right lad, a solid tretstie, if tentative. Yet, you said it right by mentioning Henry. A RUNNING BEAST IN THE MODE OF EMMITT!
Keep it up, good chap.

 

[big dog cowboy]

I didn't know the offseason was over already.

Yes we lost day one of free agency so we are doomed.

 

[Hoofbite]

Neither. Trying to win now would have probably produced a few more significant signings.

Trying to win later would have been Dallas cutting ties with Brandon Carr, Church, maybe Free, and passing on Rolando.

The team is more or less banking on the, "just get into the playoffs and anything can happen" mantra. Just get there regardless of how ugly and just hope that good vibes and fairy dust will do the rest.

 

[Beast_from_East]

In today's NFL it looks like you are only in rebuild mode if you don't have a QB. If you have one, you spend every off-season trying to put pieces around him through FA and draft. The Ravens were never rebuilding after their Superbowl win despite having all of those guys leave because they had Flacco. The Broncos all of the sudden appear to be rebuilding because they lost their starter AND heir apparent, despite having a solid squad at the rest of the positions.

What do you call it when you have one of the best QBs in the entire league and you miss the playoffs 5 out of 6 years?

 

[rpntex]

Thornton really has limited effect on the pass rush. I like the signing because we needed to upgrade the 1 tech but let's not get crazy here. He's a run stuffing DT who can play some strongside DE in certain situations, he's not a pass rusher. And even if he plays better next to Crawford and Crawford improves, maybe Crawford gets 3-4 more sacks next year. Hardly the improvement we need.

So again, specifically, how do we get better at rushing the passer with what's left? Also note, that as history shows, even top rated pass rushing edge rookies don't have huge impacts immediately. So thinking our pass rush gets solved in the draft might be wishful thinking.

And the options at S in free agency are minimal at this point especially if Weddle is too pricey. Granted, Church hasn't set the bar real high.

So again, what have we done to address our GMs two stated biggest needs? Backup QB and pass rush?

In Marinelli's version, the 1T is not a pass rusher. His role s to occupy two OL and give the 3T a chance to win his 1-on-1 battle with the other OG. The reason the Thornton signing is a plus is because of his ability to play the LDE as well. Otherwise, he's a 1-down player. Dallas plays nickel - with two 3T DTs - 85% of 2nd and 3rd downs.

 

[DandyDon52]

What do you call it when you have one of the best QBs in the entire league and you miss the playoffs 5 out of 6 years?

A "Process" ??

 

[DandyDon52]

Neither. Trying to win now would have probably produced a few more significant signings.

Trying to win later would have been Dallas cutting ties with Brandon Carr, Church, maybe Free, and passing on Rolando.

The team is more or less banking on the, "just get into the playoffs and anything can happen" mantra. Just get there regardless of how ugly and just hope that good vibes and fairy dust will do the rest.

It is what the jones do every year, they make a "fix" and shoot for the SB.

 

[DandyDon52]

Yeah it's just smart football to draft a RB in the first round and ignore the weakest part of the team which is defense. That's just solid logic.

QB, RB,DL, ETC. I think they should take whichever one is the best, If they think one is by far a top talent at that position
then take that one.
So it depends on how they evaluate those guys rated to go in round 1.

If Elliot will be a really good top nfl back, then I would take him at 4 because that is what dallas needs.
Same for Wentz.
I think the RB is more important, to a win now philosophy.

 

[CCBoy]

QB, RB,DL, ETC. I think they should take whichever one is the best, If they think one is by far a top talent at that position
then take that one.
So it depends on how they evaluate those guys rated to go in round 1.

If Elliot will be a really good top nfl back, then I would take him at 4 because that is what dallas needs.
Same for Wentz.
I think the RB is more important, to a win now philosophy.

A little behind the eight ball as to draft pincipals in the first round. The first ten picks - one shoots for blue chippers...that will make a team difference for their careers. Otherwise, it's the BPA irrespective of position...but talent. That adds up on a roster in value and lowered contracts, even if positional accumulating. As a player is on his rookie contract, it is greatly cost effective for the roster.

 

[kazzd58]

You just can't take a RB at 4 anymore. I love ELliot. I want him here so I can start an E"squared" fan club lol, but it's hard in today's game value wise. If we could trade down a few and get him around 10-12 and pick up a second or next years first, I'd do it.

The eagles has the 8th pick now doubt he's there at 10 and these top 5 picks are not getting 50 mill as rookies no more

 

[dogunwo]

What do you call it when you have one of the best QBs in the entire league and you miss the playoffs 5 out of 6 years?

Bad management. The closest to rebuilding we have been is when they gutted the offensive line, but even then because of Tony, wasn't really a rebuild.

 

[Techsass]

I get it - last season sucked, but next season already has 2 major upgrades. A healthy Tony & Dez (+ Scandrick). Maybe we aren't a 12-4 lock, but bringing them back should make us the favorites in our division.

Whoever we draft is just icing on the cake. I personally think the offense will give opposing DC's enough headaches. Now we need to concentrate on the D.