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Sydla said:
I am on the QB bandwagon at 4. Or trade the pick if you aren't going QB.

If you want to take Elliott at 7 or 12 or 15 or wherever after you get some picks, fine by me. But I think people overrate Elliott, personally. People talk like he's some transcendent talent that you can have at 4. I might be way out here but I don't think the gap between him and say a TB in the 2nd or 3rd round is that massive that you have to him.
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He is the one talent in this draft that could step in and make a difference from the minute he touches the football, no question.

Elliott is my best fallback. Plain and simple.

If we don't get the QB at four, and you tell me that "instant impact" is what has to happen, well, he is the obvious choice.

Any of the defenders like Ramsey, Bosa or Jack, you are drafting either out of need or just projecting.
 
Alexander said:
I won't fight that. We don't know if Elliott gets the O back to where it was.

But seriously, who can say without a doubt that Ramsey, Bosa, Jack or whomever else gets the defense to be respectable? Much less in a short period of time.

Sorry, if I am playing the long game, I go QB.

Short game, RB.

Continue to make the same mistakes over and over again game: DB and to a lesser extent, DE.
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Totally agreed. Bosa, to me, is a Tony Tolbert type player--which is nothing to sniff at, but a far cry from someone who is going to elevate the defense. Ramsey and Jack would be reliant on a strong pass rush for maximum effectiveness.
 
Alexander said:
He is the one talent in this draft that could step in and make a difference from the minute he touches the football, no question.

Elliott is my best fallback. Plain and simple.

If we don't get the QB at four, and you tell me that "instant impact" is what has to happen, well, he is the obvious choice.

Any of the defenders like Ramsey, Bosa or Jack, you are drafting either out of need or just projecting.
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I don't agree that a team is drafting out of need with players like Bosa and Ramsey. Several of the "experts" have Bosa as the No. 1 prospect. Others have Ramsey as the best player in this draft.

Elliott is usually several spots below both and the QB range from anywhere from early in the draft to midway through the first round. Taking a QB at four or Elliott could be seen more as drafting out of need than taking players generally projected as being better overall than than them.

If Dallas' board is set up like most of the "experts" than Bosa and Ramsey should be the pick, not because of "instant impact" but because they are the better players. Now, if they have a QB or Elliott being better, than the Cowboys should take that player. This is a long-term decision and Dallas should make it based on who they believe will give them the best overall bang for the buck.
 
Sydla said:
But it's very rare that you can continually do that year after year. A bad D gets exposed at some point by good teams. Everyone talks about that GB game and the Dez catch. But if you are truly honest with yourself, deep down, you know even if Bryant scores, there's little chance the Dallas D was going to prevent Rodgers from going right back down the field on them.

People want to assume, hey it's the same team, just substitute Elliott for Murray and this thing is back purring again.

I think that's shortsighted thinking on people's parts.
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I was at the game - I walked away from the game knowing that the Cowboys likely were going to have lost anyway due to the fact that the defense didn't come close to stopping the Packer offense in the second half when it really counted. If they needed a completion, all they needed to do was throw at Sterling Moore - it was a guaranteed conversion.

But, to be fair, if Murray doesn't fumble on that run in the third quarter, the Cowboys probably win. Same thing if James Hanna recovers Randall Cobb's fumble on the kickoff following the Murray TD that made it 21-13.

It wouldn't be the same as 2014, but I do think that a run first setup with a featured back gives the Cowboys as presently constituted the best chance of success.
 
Plankton said:
I was at the game - I walked away from the game knowing that the Cowboys likely were going to have lost anyway due to the fact that the defense didn't come close to stopping the Packer offense in the second half when it really counted. If they needed a completion, all they needed to do was throw at Sterling Moore - it was a guaranteed conversion.

But, to be fair, if Murray doesn't fumble on that run in the third quarter, the Cowboys probably win. Same thing if James Hanna recovers Randall Cobb's fumble on the kickoff following the Murray TD that made it 21-13.

It wouldn't be the same as 2014, but I do think that a run first setup with a featured back gives the Cowboys as presently constituted the best chance of success.
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I actually agree wholeheartedly with this.

Where we differ is that it's only Elliott that can do that.
 
gimmesix said:
I don't agree that a team is drafting out of need with players like Bosa and Ramsey. Several of the "experts" have Bosa as the No. 1 prospect. Others have Ramsey as the best player in this draft.
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If either player were a cut above, we would not have having this discussion right now.
 
Sydla said:
I actually agree wholeheartedly with this.

Where we differ is that it's only Elliott that can do that.
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I think Elliott is going to be an absolute stud in the NFL. I was pimping him long before this draft.

But, at #4, I want a QB. I want them to take Goff. I would love to see a guy like Devontae Booker in Dallas as well, as he is a very well rounded running back. I think Booker can have a lot of success in this type of offense.
 
Plankton said:
I think Elliott is going to be an absolute stud in the NFL. I was pimping him long before this draft.

But, at #4, I want a QB. I want them to take Goff. I would love to see a guy like Devontae Booker in Dallas as well, as he is a very well rounded running back. I think Booker can have a lot of success in this type of offense.
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His age and injury issues scare me. But I like how he looks otherwise.
 
Alexander said:
His age and injury issues scare me. But I like how he looks otherwise.
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As long as the knee has healed, I think he will be fine. Booker is somewhat underrated as a player - he's good in all phases of being a running back.
 
gimmesix said:
I don't agree that a team is drafting out of need with players like Bosa and Ramsey. Several of the "experts" have Bosa as the No. 1 prospect. Others have Ramsey as the best player in this draft.
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Exactly.

The nonsense that some are spewing about how these defensive players are ranked below Elliott is just that... nonsense.
 
Why does Elliot have to be transcendent though? He is duarable, can pass block,can catch, has breakaway speed, has power. No he isnt AP but hes better than Murray or any back weve had since Emmitt.
 
Risen Star said:
They're also overestimating how far a defense can carry you with no QB.
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4-12 SHOULD have, but that is lost in this discussion. Draft Wentz/Goff at 4; nothing prevents you from drafting a RB in RD 2/3. The organization is possibly thinking long term for the first time in two decades and now we want it to go back to the way it was by thinking short term every off season?

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