Lynch vs Prescott

[TheMarathonContinues]

Right. Which is why you can take his stats and flush them. They mean nothing.

Now he's going to have to play big boy QB. That garbage college offense isn't going to fly here. He's got to read defenses, work through his progressions, stare down NFL pressure in his face, make sound decisions and make throws into tight windows. All with the proper footwork and technique.

I'd be stunned if he was a successful NFL QB. He'll make some big plays just off of athletic ability but a consistent winning NFL QB he is not.

You can grade this draft a big fat F is this guy convinces Harry and Lloyd to waste years on him after Romo.

You also forgot that he will have the best offensive line in football and a great running game as opposed to what he had in college. But I guess that doesn't matter.......

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

There are no comparisons to be made. Lynch is much more talented , butcDak was drafted by Dallas and has become much more in the fan's eyes than he is on the field. There is a reason that Kynch was drafted three rounds ahead of Dak. Tebow had the it factor in college, but the it factor does not carry over to the pros very often.

Funny you use Lynch being drafted higher in the 1st round as justification he's better than Dak but then in the next sentence use Tebow as an example of the "it" factor not translating to the NFL. Tebow too was drafted in the 1st round by this same Denver Bronco's team lol. He went on to have a stellar NFL career........draft status means nothing. Sam Bradford was the 1st overall pick in that same draft and Tebow was a 1st rounder and Jimmy Clausen was a 2nd rounder. A terrible draft for quarterbacks.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

in the 40, no, not Rothlisberger coming out of college. 4.75 vs 4.79, near the same, but just gives some perspective

The eye test says that Dak is faster than Roethisberger on a NFL field. Maybe earlier in his career he was faster but he's not much faster than left tackle at this point in his career.

 

[honyock]

Romo is actually a type 13 as well (FCIR). It's the most popular QB in the NFL but historically not as good as the FEIR/ESTP (type 5). They aren't quite as good under pressure as the ESTP in big games (Playoffs/Superbowls). They tend to think of what "could be" instead of "what is" when under severe pressure. Check out the below link on Cam Newton who is also a type 13/FCIR (ENTP)

http://braintypes.com/2016/02/28-choke-what-happened-to-cam-newtons-brain/

Thanks for the links, interesting reading. I've been a fan of the MB for many years, and know a Fortune 500 personnel guy who has used it pretty successfully in companies he's worked for. But I wasn't aware of Neidnagel's work, that's good stuff.

What makes you say Romo is a type 13? Did Neidnagel say it somewhere?

 

[CowboyChris]

That's moving the goal posts since your comment was they didn't let Jerry move up for Lynch.

But I'll play along. Jerry was forced into taking Martin? The owner. GM. Head of all things Cowboys. Dictated to by his underlings?

Well, what happened next in this Land of Make Believe?

how's that moving the goal posts? Jerry wanted Manziel, and Lynch, i can almost bet that he got vetoed not making the Ravens trade also, for someone who follows the team so close, Stephen is the new sheriff in town...you can still try and blame everything on Jerry if it makes you feel better.

 

[Bullflop]

As a late fourth rounder, the burden of proof is undoubtedly on Prescott to prove himself on an equal level of competition to Lynch. To be candid, however, both undoubtedly have their fair share of concerns and deservedly redeeming qualities.

On the other hand, all Prescott should be required to do to prove himself worthy of his investment is to win a backup spot, while Lynch should be obliged to prove himself worthy of a starter's role, simply to justify a significantly higher draft spot.

 

[noshame]

Prescott is the best quarterback for the offense we run because his legs will be a huge Factor and allow him to be effective almost immediately

If I was running Norv Turner's offense Lynch would be my guy

 

[MichaelWinicki]

The eye test says that Dak is faster than Roethisberger on a NFL field. Maybe earlier in his career he was faster but he's not much faster than left tackle at this point in his career.

Good catch.

I'm not sure how anyone could watch film of the two and type that he's (Ben R.) more mobile.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Truthfully I'm not sure if any of the QB's from this class are going to be decent starters at any point.

 

[Dodger12]

how's that moving the goal posts? Jerry wanted Manziel, and Lynch, i can almost bet that he got vetoed not making the Ravens trade also, for someone who follows the team so close, Stephen is the new sheriff in town...you can still try and blame everything on Jerry if it makes you feel better.

Don't take a losing bet Chris. There's enough reporting on this draft to tell us who was calling the shots. If Jerry wanted to give up the third for Lynch, they would have done it. Jerry himself regrets not doing it and says if he could do it all over again, he would.

http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/05/01/nfl-draft-dallas-cowboys-war-room-jerry-jones-peter-king

 

[Risen Star]

how's that moving the goal posts? Jerry wanted Manziel, and Lynch, i can almost bet that he got vetoed not making the Ravens trade also, for someone who follows the team so close, Stephen is the new sheriff in town...you can still try and blame everything on Jerry if it makes you feel better.

Yes. Poor Jerry is powerless in his own war room. He even has to pretend it's not happening saying things like "I probably should have given the 3" and "I'm second guessing myself".

We all know now he had no choice.

Hey, do you remember when Jerry wanted to draft Manziel and Lynch but wasn't allowed to? I do!

 

[tm1119]

Not even close. Both are raw and need to learn how to be an NFL QB, but Lynch has a lot better tools to work with. Prescott is mobile and isn't small...and that's about all I got. At least you can see Lynch make all the throws with an NFL arm, Dak was all dink and dunk or run.

Derrick Henry had more rushing yards in a better conference than Zeke so that makes him better right? That's how this works?

 

[RonSpringsdaman20]

not a fan of either... but hey... if I'm wrong, good for the boys...


let the offseason hype continue...

 

[thagan777]

Thanks for the links, interesting reading. I've been a fan of the MB for many years, and know a Fortune 500 personnel guy who has used it pretty successfully in companies he's worked for. But I wasn't aware of Neidnagel's work, that's good stuff.

What makes you say Romo is a type 13? Did Neidnagel say it somewhere?

There is database on the braintypes website that provides a listing of many NFL QBs and their associated Brain type. There are many current day FCIR QBs and Romo is one of them. The most popular BT for starting NFL QBs. ESTPs/FEIRs are harder to find according to Niednagel but have historically been the best.

Here a few current day QBs and their Brain types according to braintypes.com
Sam Bradford - FCIR (ENTP)
Jay Cutler -FCIR
Andy Dalton - FCIR
Joe Flacco - FCIR
Nick Foles - FCIR
RGIII - FCIR
Andrew Luck -FCIR
Cam Newton - FCIR
Phillip Rivers - FCIR
Aaron Rodgers - FCIR
Ben Roethlisberger - FCIR
Tony Romo - FCIR
Matt Ryan - FCIR
Alex Smith - FCIR
Matthew Stafford - FCIR
Marcus Mariota- FCIR
Eli Manning - BEAR (ISFP)
Carson Palmer - BEAL (ISFJ)
Tom Brady - FCAR (ENFP)
Drew Brees - FCAR (ENFP)
Jameis Winston - FEAR (ESFP)

There are currently no ESTPs currently playing that are shown on the website. Below are some retired ESTPs
Troy Aikman (ESTP)
Terry Bradshaw (ESTP)
Chris Chandler (ESTP)
Trent Dilfer (ESTP)
John Elway (ESTP)
Brett Favre (ESTP)
Peyton Manning (ESTP)
Dan Marino (ESTP)
Todd Marinovich (ESTP)
Jim McMahon (ESTP)
Joe Montana (ESTP)
Joe Namath (ESTP)
Jake Plummer (ESTP)
Phil Simms (ESTP)
Joe Theismann (ESTP)
Johhny Unitas (ESTP)
Michael Vick (ESTP) - Not sure if he is still on a team (I thought he would have been great once I heard his BT) - probably relied to much on his running ability

 

[thagan777]

Thanks for the links, interesting reading. I've been a fan of the MB for many years, and know a Fortune 500 personnel guy who has used it pretty successfully in companies he's worked for. But I wasn't aware of Neidnagel's work, that's good stuff.

What makes you say Romo is a type 13? Did Neidnagel say it somewhere?

Information on the website about the Characteristics of an ESTP

Appearance: relaxed, untailored clothing (normally) yet may dress fashionably (even daringly) for the occasion, jewelry not uncommon on men, women are often slightly masculine or strong, flamboyant, body conscious, often well-built and in shape, muscular, hard look, aggressive, provocative, teasing, athletic, EI “hawk eyes”
Personality: risk-taking, energetic yet in a stress-free way, engaging the world, free-spirit, usually athletic, speaks quickly and simply, not a conversationalist, may be a poor listener, self-centered, self-directed, egotistical, proud, exciting, impetuous, impulsive, may be foolhardy, reckless, hotheaded, cunning, street smart, opportunistic, often short tempered
Athletic Characteristics: superior hand-eye coordination (fine motor positioning), strong upper body, tough-minded, aggressive, operates at high gear, moves quickly, not a planner, die-hard, powerful, “enforcer” mentality, thrill-seeking, venturesome, antagonistic, hardliner, deceptive, spontaneous, offensive-minded, often breaks the rules of the game just to break them, highly tactical.



Based on the information above..a guess on my part based on some of the books I've read by Niednagel. I think Dak is a FEIR/ESTP. I could be wrong..just my opinion. The one area in the personality area that makes me question my BT guess is the self- centered part. From what I've read Dak seems to be caring person so I waver a little on whether his is a T (Thinker)/I (Inanimate) or if he's a F (Feeler)/A(Animate). Of course if you've been raised properly by your parents/family you can overcome some of your natural tendencies. Other than that, he sure fits the bill as an ESTP from all of the information that I've read.

Appearance - muscular, hard look, aggressive, hawk eyes
Personality - engaging the world, free-spirit, usually athletic, speaks quickly and simply - Dak speaks well and gets straight to the point -not wordy
Athletic - superior hand-eye coordination (fine motor positioning), strong upper body, tough-minded, aggressive, operates at high gear, moves quickly, not a planner, die-hard, powerful

 

[Biggems]

Im just happy we stayed away from manziel 2nd edition in boykin.....freakin high maintenance party animal who can't hold his alcohol

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Truthfully I'm not sure if any of the QB's from this class are going to be decent starters at any point.

I'm not either. But my stance has always been I'd rather see what Dak has with a 4 th round pick then I would trading what the Rams and Eagles did to get Goff and Wentz.

 

[darthseinfeld]

Dak has some traits and physically he isnt deficient anywhere, but he was damn near a 5th round pick. He has a very long way to go to even prove to the Cowboys that he could be there QB of the future.

I think Dallas is going to heavily scout QBs this upcoming year, and are going to lean heavily at QB in the first round. Dak has to be absolutely gangbusters in order for him to get them to reconsider IMO

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I'm not either. But my stance has always been I'd rather see what Dak has with a 4 th round pick then I would trading what the Rams and Eagles did to get Goff and Wentz.

Agreed.

The chances are good that neither QB's performance equals the cost.

This whole "Let's trade a bunch of draft picks to move up for a QB" is a rather new draft strategy– and is unproven in the very best case. It blew-up in the face of Washington.

 

[Aven8]

I'm just excited to see an actual rookie drafted QB that did something in college. I'm tired of all the old Ortons, Cassells, Weeds etc etc. At least PS might be exciting finally! Last one drafted since McGee for crying out loud folks!

This is history here!