NFL going ahead with Investigation into Zeke

[tyke1doe]

Exactly, and what gives them the right to interview these persons for an investigation, if no charges were filed. And if they were, what still gives them the right. The NFL is not the law enforcement, though they act like they are.

They don't have the right. But they can make the request. Elliott is an employee of the NFL. If your boss asks you to come into his office to explain an inappropriate gesture you may or may not have given to a fellow co-worker, I suspect you'd comply.

As for the girl or any other person connected to this, they don't have to appear. But I would think Elliott's witnesses would because it would help him clear his name.

 

[tyke1doe]

I think he should probably be top 7. Where are the pre-drafts calling him go?

I pick at the bottom of my draft. I think he'll be gone by the time it's my turn to pick.

 

[tyke1doe]

I would not doubt that at all. Like a lot of posters here, I have no problem with the NFL or anyone else investigating. If E is innocent nothing exists to convict him, in a court of law or a court of clowns. But the focus that's on domestic violence right now (and rightly so) and Goodell's pattern of scattershot justice makes me nervous. Regardless of the truth, anything can happen. Normally I don't ascribe these things to conspiracy, but the Cowboys are the most visible sports franchise in the world and Goodell doesn't want another Ray Rice debacle.

If he has text message of her threatening him, I have no doubts he will be exonerated. I'm really not worried about it.

 

[tyke1doe]

I don't think the NFL is eager to destroy one of its newest stars for no reason. They have to announce they are investigating because they have implemented newer harsher standards. They will not screw Elliot with no evidence just because he is a Cowboy. People think like this because of the Tom Brady situation but I think Goodell was particularly harsh in that circumstance because part of the spygate resolution was that the Patriots would get a slap on the wrist, the evidence would be destroyed, but they'd better not get caught cheating again. It was reported that Goodell told them if they got caught again, the punishment would be as harsh as he could get away with. They didn't heed the warning and got caught again and Goodell kept his word. He is not out to get Jerry and the Cowboys.

Thank you!

Elliott is this year's Odell Beckham Jr. If there's no evidence he struck/hit/abused this young lady, the league/Goodell isn't going to ruin a marquee matchup at the start of the season.

And it's just as you said with Brady, the league came down hard on the Pats because of past practices not only Spygate but the way the Pats manipulated offensive formations. They have a tendency to push the envelope, and Goodell wasn't having it.

 

[VACowboy]

If he has text message of her threatening him, I have no doubts he will be exonerated. I'm really not worried about it.

Without a doubt, but at this point we don't know that he has that text message any more than we know any other facts of the case. I'll be worried until he's officially cleared by the NFL and we're a year down the road.

 

[tyke1doe]

Without a doubt, but at this point we don't know that he has that text message any more than we know any other facts of the case. I'll be worried until he's officially cleared by the NFL and we're a year down the road.

His mom said that he showed them to her. I doubt his mom would say this publicly if it's a lie.

 

[VACowboy]

I don't think the NFL is eager to destroy one of its newest stars for no reason. They have to announce they are investigating because they have implemented newer harsher standards. They will not screw Elliot with no evidence just because he is a Cowboy. People think like this because of the Tom Brady situation but I think Goodell was particularly harsh in that circumstance because part of the spygate resolution was that the Patriots would get a slap on the wrist, the evidence would be destroyed, but they'd better not get caught cheating again. It was reported that Goodell told them if they got caught again, the punishment would be as harsh as he could get away with. They didn't heed the warning and got caught again and Goodell kept his word. He is not out to get Jerry and the Cowboys.

I know you're right about Goodell not being out to get the Cowboys and you're probably right about the rest too, but in today's political climate and considering everything the NFL has been through since Ray Rice, I don't think the league is inclined to err on the side of players. I hope you're right and I'm not.

 

[Jstopper]

Without a doubt, but at this point we don't know that he has that text message any more than we know any other facts of the case. I'll be worried until he's officially cleared by the NFL and we're a year down the road.

He's publicly said He has the text messages

 

[ghst187]

This is the main problem with the recent heavy handed discipline by the NFL especially towards domestic violence. I said it a year ago when they announced the new harsher punishment for DV that Goodell just made every player in the NFL subject to blackmail from any female they may ever have a relationship with. The NFL should not be investigating anything here. There is a legal system for these matters and until said legal system determines the player broke the law, the NFL should stay out of it. That does not mean I want to go easy on real DV cases. I simply think the NFL should let the legal system work and punish accordingly. Until charges are brought, the NFL should have no response. Until a guilty verdict is rendered, the NFL should impose no punishment. They have unwittingly undermined their players and given the upper hand to every female dating or married to a player and there is nothing the players can do except hope their girl never tries to ruin them.

this 1000X!!!!!!
perfectly stated

 

[Cowboys22]

I know you're right about Goodell not being out to get the Cowboys and you're probably right about the rest too, but in today's political climate and considering everything the NFL has been through since Ray Rice, I don't think the league is inclined to err on the side of players. I hope you're right and I'm not.

If there is evidence that he did anything wrong, they will throw the book at him no doubt. My point is that they are not chomping at the bit to destroy their young stars. If he didn't really do anything, the league will drop it.

 

[VACowboy]

His mom said that he showed them to her. I doubt his mom would say this publicly if it's a lie.

He's publicly said He has the text messages

Well, I hope he has them and this whole thing disappears. I'll be worrying about it until it does.

 

[Nightman]

I think he should probably be top 7. Where are the pre-drafts calling him go?

I was seeing a lot of of the same...mid first....3rd or 4th RB...probably won't get to second round

 

[VACowboy]

If there is evidence that he did anything wrong, they will throw the book at him no doubt. My point is that they are not chomping at the bit to destroy their young stars. If he didn't really do anything, the league will drop it.

I agree with you, but these things aren't nearly always black and white, and if the NFL investigation turns up grayish I think it's easier for the league to punish a player than to deal with the shitstorm that would rain down if they didn't.

 

[jazzcat22]

They don't have the right. But they can make the request. Elliott is an employee of the NFL. If your boss asks you to come into his office to explain an inappropriate gesture you may or may not have given to a fellow co-worker, I suspect you'd comply.

As for the girl or any other person connected to this, they don't have to appear. But I would think Elliott's witnesses would because it would help him clear his name.

This is true, and I agree.
Howver that is usually contained within the work environment. They shouldn't have the right to go to outside sources if the incidence occurred with no employees.

Say I made a gesture to a person in a store. My work has no right to look into that.
I know the NFL is a different entity. But they Carr y their power to a higher degree than necessary at times.

However, if at my work, I hold a security clearance then, it may be a different issue also.

 

[tyke1doe]

Well, I hope he has them and this whole thing disappears. I'll be worrying about it until it does.

Fair enough.

 

[tyke1doe]

This is true, and I agree.
Howver that is usually contained within the work environment. They shouldn't have the right to go to outside sources if the incidence occurred with no employees.

Say I made a gesture to a person in a store. My work has no right to look into that.
I know the NFL is a different entity. But they Carr y their power to a higher degree than necessary at times.

However, if at my work, I hold a security clearance then, it may be a different issue also.

My analogy isn't a perfect fit, true.

Be that as it may, it would seem to me that while the NFL has no right to call witnesses (as it has no subpoena powers), I suspect both this young lady claiming abuse and Zeke's friends would be willing to testify before the NFL.

 

[Jarv]

This is true, and I agree.
Howver that is usually contained within the work environment. They shouldn't have the right to go to outside sources if the incidence occurred with no employees.

Say I made a gesture to a person in a store. My work has no right to look into that.
I know the NFL is a different entity. But they Carr y their power to a higher degree than necessary at times.

However, if at my work, I hold a security clearance then, it may be a different issue also.

As part of your security clearance, should you be mentioning you have one on a public forum...lol. In my business, I'm not allowed to mention my customers names at all. Sometimes it just kills you not to be able to brag.

 

[jazzcat22]

As part of your security clearance, should you be mentioning you have one on a public forum...lol. In my business, I'm not allowed to mention my customers names at all. Sometimes it just kills you not to be able to brag.

Lol, true...I meant to say if someone has a security clearance....I can neither confirm nor deny any conclusions one reads into what I posted....

Actually am retired and have rental properties and still help with a business I used to own.

 

[plymkr]

The police are beholden to the law. A company is beholden to it's bottom line and their reputation can play a large role in that. Police may believe strongly that something happened but not be able to prove it "beyond a reasonable doubt", a company has the freedom not to take a risk.

In other words...you can't compare what the police do to what a company can and should do.

Right, there is a difference between what a company can do and what the police can do. That's why I feel the company should stay out of criminal matters that does not directly involve the company. If I work at microsoft and am caught embezzling money then that's a criminal matter that the police and Microsoft should investigate since it was a crime against microsoft. If I beat up my kids at home and the police get involved then the CEO of Microsoft has no right to investigate me. Bill Gates has no right to show up at my house and interview my family, kids, neighbors etc. If my crime has nothing to do with my employment then my employers can not fire me. That would be unlawful termination and that's a crime. Now let's say I beat my kids and I work for a child welfare agency, then the behavior of beating children directly impacts my employment and that would be a lawful termination or suspension.

This is where the line is blurred and boundaries are crossed with the NFL. The NFL is investigating criminal matters of it's employees that are not crimes against the NFL. The dangerous part about this is there is no accountability for witnesses to give a false narrative to either protect or harm the player. There's accountability if you lie to a police officer and make a false report. As far as I know there's no accountability for lying to the NFL.

So in Elliot's case, let's say the police do their investigation and find no grounds to prosecute or arrest him. But when the NFL does it's investigation, let's say there's a couple people (not the woman in question but other witnesses) out there that have an axe to grind with Elliot or hate him for some reason and give the NFL a false report. This false report is just enough to make Goodell suspend Elliott. What's the justice in that. Again I feel that the NFL should wait until the police and the justice system do their jobs and then react. I feel strongly that the NFL should not be out investigating and talking to witnesses. If the extent of the NFL's "investigation" is to talk to Elliott and only Elliott then I don't have a problem with it because Elliott is an NFL employee and has caused national attention to the league. That's fair to talk to him but if they're talking to people that are not an NFL employee then it's crossing boundaries, dangerous and irresponsible.

 

[Texas_Pete]

At least he d

Serious question: What could they possibly investigate?

There is the police report they can review, yes.

Would the NFL go interview the woman in question, the witnesses to the incident? Will they ask to review Zeke's text messages?

Tying to get my mind around how intense they are able to investigate.

At least he didn't throw away his phone (evidence) like Tom Brady did. I give him his props for that.