Zeke Elliott texts about passing drug tests?

[Zimmy Lives]

Why speak with such vitriol? Zeke's father moved to Ohio to help his son stay on the straight and narrow. If (a big if) Zeke has wandered down the wrong path, it is his own fault. His father tried. And I don't blame him for defending his son against apparently false allegations.

A father should always defend his own but let's not pretend -- with defiance and arrogance, mind you -- his son is a choir boy on social media. He is the one that put "The Elliott Code" out there so perhaps he should just shut up and not tweet at all. Just saying.

 

[AsthmaField]

I've never smoked weed but I've known plenty who do and personally, I have no problem with it.

I just have never really felt the urge to do it and for the most part, I've been active and didn't want to put anything in my lungs to slow me down.

IMO, they just need to go ahead and legalize it and get it over with. It is heading that way anyway.

 

[CWR]

I think most fans vastly underestimate how many NFL players smoke pot. It's not just the young kids either. Heck, Mark Stepnoski was not only an avid pot smoker, he has always been a legalized pot advocate.

Its not really about how many people smoke it or how ridiculous it is that Marijuana is a schedule 1 drug in the same class as heroin or lsd. If it was up to this fan wed all go home and smoke a bowl after work instead of punishing our livers. The fact is it is tested for by the nfl and professionals football players need to quit smoking and act like pros. I can believe many in the nfl have smoked at one point but to think a large percentage currently smoke would be a bit unrealistic in my opinion. THC stays in your system from 4-6 weeks and most blocking agents or dilluters are iffy at best. The NFL would have to be giving players 6 weeks of advanced notice before testing or the testers would have to be looking the other way when urine samples came out florescent green.

 

[tyke1doe]

This country was founded on the separation of church and state and what is legislating morality with regards to this but treading on that principle?

Be careful because you've just made the argument that morality is synonymous with religion. I don't think you want to go there, nor can we have that discussion here.

Second, not everyone who is religious opposes the legalization of drugs. There are health reasons why people would be opposed to legalization.

Third, with all due respect, the argument that you can't legislate morality is an inherently flawed one. Morality simply put is a set of ideas about what is right and what is wrong.
Laws codify to a society what is right and what is wrong.

The essence of law is to enforce what is right and what is wrong.

Do you think more people would go out and duel to the death if the law prohibiting duels were abolished? Of course, they would.

Do you think more people would steal if the laws prohibiting theft weren't in place? Of course, they would.

What you CAN'T legislate is ATTITUDES about laws. But you can legislate morality because many people will not violate societal laws if they are spelled out clearly (which is why we have the codification of laws) even as many will violate them anyway.

Did we not learn anything from Prohibition? We created a criminal empire through the desire to control others' pleasures. That and the desire of at least one senator to get into bootlegging as a hobby.

Really, it's a trade off. We may have "created" a criminal empire, but we have many more deaths (drunk driving, rape, domestic abuse, etc.) by legalizing alcohol. The question isn't whether crimes will disappear upon legalization. The question is whether we're willing to trade one form of criminality for another. We said YES with respect to Prohibition. But every family who has lost a child or spouse or parent to a drunk driver may have a thing or two to say about that.

What they should be doing is considering more laws to control congress, the real criminals in this country. They should at least allow a marijuana lobby to battle the liquor one fighting this with every dollar they can muster.

Isn't there a group lobbying for the legalization of marijuana? NORMAL?

 

[CowboyRoy]

I agree. There's no evidence from those texts to suggest he took drugs or smoked marijuana. There's no evidence that just because he wanted to sweat it out in a sauna that he was trying to sweat drugs out of his system - if that's even possible, and I don't know if it is (someone with more knowledge in this area than I would have to shed light on this).

EE even going into a pot store isn't enough evidence. He may have just been curious.

However, as you said, it doesn't look good. I'm just hoping this doesn't become an issue with him on the field and with the team.

We weed, I mean, need him.

Well, its pretty obvious to me the kid loves to smoke pot. No big deal. A lot of kids do. But I dont see how you put him on some drug program without him actually failing a test.

 

[adbutcher]

Saw this a moment ago:

Thompson texted Elliott: “I know you’re stressed out, if you need me call me. Just do everything you can to pass your drug test tomorrow. You’ll be okay. I’m here for you”

To that, Elliott responded: “I’m gonna pass.”

In a subsequent text, Elliott wrote: “About to live in this sauna the next 24 hours.”

Elliott’s lead legal advisor, Frank C. Salzano, called the text exchange “a non story.”

“We are happy to move on to football and look forward to playing against the Giants,” Salzano said.

This text exchange, coupled with the Seattle visit, may be enough to put Elliott in the league’s substance-abuse program. Players do not necessarily have to fail a drug test to enter Stage 1 (intervention) of the program.

An NFL spokesman said the decision in a case such as Elliott’s is based upon the opinion of jointly appointed independent medical advisers by the NFL and NFLPA.

He need to give Gregory some pointers...

 

[tyke1doe]

Well, its pretty obvious to me the kid loves to smoke pot. No big deal. A lot of kids do. But I dont see how you put him on some drug program without him actually failing a test.

I think so too. I think he has and does smoke pot. But PROVING it in a way to force him to be under the league's drug policy is a different matter.

I may see a young lady hang around men. I may see her shaking her behind in front of them, and I may even see her "flash" the guys. I may conclude from her activities that she has slept with some of those guys.

But ... that is speculation. It is not PROOF.

Proof involves a higher standard of connection. That's what I'm addressing with respect to EE's case and whether texts and visiting a marijuana store constitute actions that would put him under the league's substance abuse policy. I don't think they do. As I've said before, there's no smoking gun - pun intended.

 

[DallasEast]

I heard coffee was a drug at one time.

My guess is that the NFL will not be testing for weed soon. Like, next year. That soon. All it would take is for the stars of the league to get together and smoke weed and post on Youtube. Get Brady, Rodgers, Peterson, Romo, Wilson, et al to get high together and then show up for a drug test. Watch how fast the NFL gets rid of drug testing for weed. The players have the power. The star players can make this happen as a gift to all the players. Stop this lunacy. The stuff is legal in numerous states and will be federally legal soon. Just a matter of time.

It is all about money. When the NFL stands to lose money by suspending players for weed, the testing will stop.

I think a possible timeline between now and next year may be highly unlikely. I do agree how the states and the federal government address marijuana will motivate the league on its stance. In my opinion, it will take a minimum of 33% to 40% (17 - 20) of the states decriminalizing it to sway Washington and the NFL to follow suit.

 

[Nightman]

We all need to stop with the denial.....kid obviously partakes....lets just hope he learns the NFL rules

After you test the one time in the Spring at mini-camps then you can smoke all year like Snoop Dogg

Just don't get caught holding, driving, fighting(not likely) or buying/selling or smoking on IG

That being said any lawyer could eat this up......he was nervous because he heard of false positives or he was around a bunch of smokers(Josh Gordon successfully argued about second hand smoke and they raised the levels for a positive) and he wanted a sauna for a 'cleanse' or to drop weight....leaking the unredacted texts is bad and is exactly what Brady argued and I thought was ridiculous, guess not

 

[Stash]

Wake up call kid! You may have dodged a bullet, but stop it! Too much to lose for something so trivial.

 

[Donhyphen]

wEEd his new nickname.

 

[Stash]

Well, its pretty obvious to me the kid loves to smoke pot. No big deal. A lot of kids do. But I dont see how you put him on some drug program without him actually failing a test.

The league has an amount of discretion as agreed to by both labor and management. The incident in Seattle may or may not have been enough reason, but this second 'incident' might be.

 

[CouchCoach]

Be careful because you've just made the argument that morality is synonymous with religion. I don't think you want to go there, nor can we have that discussion here.

Second, not everyone who is religious opposes the legalization of drugs. There are health reasons why people would be opposed to legalization.

Third, with all due respect, the argument that you can't legislate morality is an inherently flawed one. Morality simply put is a set of ideas about what is right and what is wrong.
Laws codify to a society what is right and what is wrong.

The essence of law is to enforce what is right and what is wrong.

Do you think more people would go out and duel to the death if the law prohibiting duels were abolished? Of course, they would.

Do you think more people would steal if the laws prohibiting theft weren't in place? Of course, they would.

What you CAN'T legislate is ATTITUDES about laws. But you can legislate morality because many people will not violate societal laws if they are spelled out clearly (which is why we have the codification of laws) even as many will violate them anyway.




Really, it's a trade off. We may have "created" a criminal empire, but we have many more deaths (drunk driving, rape, domestic abuse, etc.) by legalizing alcohol. The question isn't whether crimes will disappear upon legalization. The question is whether we're willing to trade one form of criminality for another. We said YES with respect to Prohibition. But every family who has lost a child or spouse or parent to a drunk driver may have a thing or two to say about that.



Isn't there a group lobbying for the legalization of marijuana? NORMAL?

They're not really considered a "lobby with privileges" as the others are. NORML sends a rep or senator to Hawaii for 2 weeks or tickets to a Skins game are traced back to them, that's unacceptable. The "lobbies with privileges", well, everything is OK. Constituents are not OK with their rep being entertained by what is now a criminal activity.

The mood of the public has changed regarding this but not because they've softened their stance. They just admit we have failed in any efforts to thwart this business and have just created illegal and dangerous industries and there is no hope in sight to win this war, absolutely none. We got the hell out of SE Asia because we were in a no win, we should do the same here and focus more resources on curtailing real crime.

 

[Nightman]

The league has an amount of discretion as agreed to by both labor and management. The incident in Seattle may or may not have been enough reason, but this second 'incident' might be.

It looks like the league needs some kind of arrest or conviction to punish a player without a failed test, short of a admission.......this text exchange is not an admission even the gf shouldn't be so explicit in her texts...."don't worry about the DRUG tests tomorrow" derrrrrrrr

 

[CouchCoach]

The league has an amount of discretion as agreed to by both labor and management. The incident in Seattle may or may not have been enough reason, but this second 'incident' might be.

I don't think the NFLPA would stand for a suspension but they'll stand by for the league to get in Zeke's face with a warning.

What some don't realize is that the league could care less if these players smoke pot, think some of them don't? What they care about is them getting caught because then action must be taken. They would prefer every player is on the field to play and get paid. It's really simple. Here are the rules, follow them so we don't have to get involved. Think they enjoy this high school crap? Mr. Ganjory, detention hall for you.

 

[tyke1doe]

They're not really considered a "lobby with privileges" as the others are. NORML sends a rep or senator to Hawaii for 2 weeks or tickets to a Skins game are traced back to them, that's unacceptable. The "lobbies with privileges", well, everything is OK. Constituents are not OK with their rep being entertained by what is now a criminal activity.

The mood of the public has changed regarding this but not because they've softened their stance. They just admit we have failed in any efforts to thwart this business and have just created illegal and dangerous industries and there is no hope in sight to win this war, absolutely none. We got the hell out of SE Asia because we were in a no win, we should do the same here and focus more resources on curtailing real crime.

Again, I'm not for illegal drug use. But I do think it's going to fall because society is headed that direction.
If Prohibition fell, the effort to continue the criminalization of marijuana will fall too.
It's only a matter of time. Sigh.

 

[tyke1doe]

wEEd his new nickname.

Smokes 'em on the field ... and off.

 

[DeaconBlues]

My friends and I had a term we used for people who had purple lips due to smoking. We called it the "yurples". So when we'd see someone with purple lips, we'd say, "He/She has the yurples" meaning they were smokers.

I don't know what the hell passes for weed in your neck of the woods, but it 50 years on both coasts, I have never met anyone with purple lips outside of frostbite. I know several heavy smokers, and you would never know by their looks.

 

[Nightman]

Again, I'm not for illegal drug use. But I do think it's going to fall because society is headed that direction.
If Prohibition fell, the effort to continue the criminalization of marijuana will fall too.
It's only a matter of time. Sigh.

Prohibition TOOK something that was legal and made it illegal.......it also cost the economy and govt millions and made the Mob more powerful than the Police

Marijuana is still illegal because most people still use it to get high **.......all the medicinal reasons and uses for hemp are just part of lobbying effort to get it mainstream and legalized.....and alcohol still can't be abused in public or used in a car or several other restrictions but you can have a drink or two and not be drunk.......apples and oranges imo

 

[CowboyRoy]

The league has an amount of discretion as agreed to by both labor and management. The incident in Seattle may or may not have been enough reason, but this second 'incident' might be.

And this is his GF releasing the text message publicly correct?