Do we follow the Pats and trade out of 1st rd?

Redball Express said:
Do we follow the Pats and trade out of 1st rd?
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Once the Cowboys finalize their draft board I doubt they have 28 players with first round grades. That tells me if they get a good trade offer to move down 5-10 spots a trade down could very easily happen.
 
Howboutdemcowboys31 said:
I heard he's only making 3M this year on NFLN
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No, he is not signed. The Pats put a first-round tender on him, which means that they have guaranteed that number as a minimum if he signs the tender, and that any team that signs him will have to give NE their first round pick if the Pats choose not to match (which is their right by making the tender). That will NEVER happen -- Butler will not sign the tender as he seeks a long term deal, and the Pats will almost certainly match any offer in the unlikely event somebody were to agree to one with Butler.

Bottom line -- you heard wrong. If you want Butler this year, it will cost you the going rate for CBs PLUS your first round pick -- and only if BB decides to let him go.
 
Howboutdemcowboys31 said:
I heard he's only making 3M this year on NFLN
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Ah, assuming you trade him but don't extend him?

Either you're kicking in a 1st for a one year deal, or you're extending him for his reported $10MM AAV ask (and that was reportedly last year's ask). I think those are the choices unless he's willing to take a discount.
 
The Quest for Six said:
it's not stupid, Zach Martin is playing this upcoming year on the fifth year club option......or would you rather him as a free agent with no cap room to sign him....the fifth year option is huge for teams...
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Actually his 5th year option is for the 2018 season.
 
The Quest for Six said:
it's not stupid, Zach Martin is playing this upcoming year on the fifth year club option......or would you rather him as a free agent with no cap room to sign him....the fifth year option is huge for teams...
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Lol.... do u really think we wouldn't have figured out a way to sign him? Come on man.. your smarter then that
 
beacamdim said:
No, he is not signed. The Pats put a first-round tender on him, which means that they have guaranteed that number as a minimum if he signs the tender, and that any team that signs him will have to give NE their first round pick if the Pats choose not to match (which is their right by making the tender). That will NEVER happen -- Butler will not sign the tender as he seeks a long term deal, and the Pats will almost certainly match any offer in the unlikely event somebody were to agree to one with Butler.

Bottom line -- you heard wrong. If you want Butler this year, it will cost you the going rate for CBs PLUS your first round pick -- and only if BB decides to let him go.
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I think they'd part with him they just signed Gillmore and they let Jamie Collins go whose also a beast
 
beacamdim said:
Dream on. Belicheck is always the screw-er when it comes to the Pats' wheeling and dealing, never the screw-ee. Next.
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Um we can sign him outright since he is a restricted FA with a first round tender.
 
If the best player on the board is someone like Mike Williams or a QB like Trubinsky(spelling) and someone wants to come back up and grab him Ill be fine if our draft board is wiped out with good difference makers on defense..

I saw DJ and bucky brooks from NFLN have us taking the TE from Ole miss.... I was just like no.... If its not the top two TEs Howard or Njoku this class is so deep id feel comfortable waiting till the mid rounds.
 
Sandyf said:
Much depends on how the Boys set up their board and how many they have 1st round grades. If one of the guys (15-20) that they have 1st round grades fall to to 28 then I believe they take him regardless of position.

If not, they could trade down if a team wants to come up. Remember most club really value that 5th year option so that alone overvalues the trade. It would not be out of the question for say Cleveland to give 33 and 65 to move up to 28 say for a QB.
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On the nosey!
 
Idgit said:
Ah, assuming you trade him but don't extend him?

Either you're kicking in a 1st for a one year deal, or you're extending him for his reported $10MM AAV ask (and that was reportedly last year's ask). I think those are the choices unless he's willing to take a discount.
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10M per would be a steal for him. I think he's better than Gilmore. Course reports are he wants out so he may go for that.
 
Redball Express said:
Interesting move on their part.

So does this mean the talent at #28 is also not a sure thing.

Is a trade back coming and if so..

for whom?

Over-valuing #28 has to be avoided.

Opinions?
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we seem to be good in the 1st round, lets not mess with success.
 
Depends on who is sitting there at 28 of course... but I'm generally against trading back.

Dallas does best when they sit tight and take their BPA at their pick. I'm all for that.
 
dwreck27 said:
I saw DJ and bucky brooks from NFLN have us taking the TE from Ole miss.... I was just like no.... If its not the top two TEs Howard or Njoku this class is so deep id feel comfortable waiting till the mid rounds.
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Engram is better than Njoku and it isn't close IMO.

I'd take him at 28 and never look back. Dude would be scary in this offense.
 
AsthmaField said:
Engram is better than Njoku and it isn't close IMO.

I'd take him at 28 and never look back. Dude would be scary in this offense.
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This seems to be a good year to get our next franchise TE. A lot of good guys we could take with one of our first two picks. You have to take what each draft class gives you.
 
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