It might be time for Jason Garrett to re-define what "Right Kinda Guy" means

[CyberB0b]

Every coach does not use the term RKG...they use wordings similar to it.

I live in an area where they play Cincy, Pittsbugh and Cleveland games.

Have seen multiple times how Cincy coach Marvin Lewis will explain away drafting players year after year that fall to the bengals in various rounds because they have questionable character or troubles on or off the field. They always justify it by saying...they play hard and they love the game and they were too good of a talent to pass up at that spot. Always an excuse.

And if you cannot figure it out that Jason is not the only one who does it now, or in the past or will do so in the future...that is your problem but I think you know better...or at least I hope you do.

It's the same reason that players like pac man jones kept getting playing time after all the times he has been in trouble...it is the same reason that TO kept getting signed after being known as a team cancer to different teams.

If a player has talent and a team thinks they can get that talent they will weigh the option of taking that player for an amount of money they are willing to gamble.

"To me, it has everything to do with their personal character and their football character...The kind of teammate who will help our team in every way...Mental toughness.."
"I'm a firm believer that you can get the guys with talent and also have the kind of character you're looking for."

http://www.dallascowboys.com/video/2016/01/18/jason-garrett-show-right-kind-guys

I see what you're saying, but he spouts off this type of crap, too, which makes him look foolish, considering the amount of suspensions that have happened under his watch.

 

[BotchedLobotomy]

We just get caught more. It's happening in all 32 club houses

100% Cop-out statement - There is a problem

 

[DOUBLE WING]

"To me, it has everything to do with their personal character and their football character...The kind of teammate who will help our team in every way...Mental toughness.."
"I'm a firm believer that you can get the guys with talent and also have the kind of character you're looking for."

http://www.dallascowboys.com/video/2016/01/18/jason-garrett-show-right-kind-guys

I see what you're saying, but he spouts off this type of crap, too, which makes him look foolish, considering the amount of suspensions that have happened under his watch.

I think the definition of RIGHT KINDA GUY changes depending on what KINDA mood Garrett is in at the moment he's speaking.

 

[Flinger]

http://nflarrest.com/

Don't let facts get in the way of anyone's agenda, though...

 

[Doomsday101]

I remember before the draft a few of us were having a discussion in the Draft zone, and later in the fan zone as the draft was approaching.

IF we had a choice between Shane Ray (missouri DE) or Gregory.

Talent wise most thought Gregory was better.

However a number of us, myself included, preferred Ray.

Ray made a really dumb mistake and got busted before the draft but prior to that had a clean record IIRC.

Gregory had failed test after failed test to the point it was in a few articles that some of the coaches asked for him NOT to be tested and he later tested positive at the combine as well.
There was a pattern there of multiple failed tests.

I said the one guy made one mistake before the draft and even if he was doing it prior to the draft he was smart enough not to get caught multiple times. lol.

Well...the rest is what it is.

I still think Gregory is more talented but he can't play because of his own issues with mary jane.

I agree. I held out some hope on Gregory even after failing another test but now with so much time away from the game including this coming season and what appears as the season after I don't see how he will ever be able to play this game. He has yet to play a full season to get acclimated to the pro game and now any hope pretty much went up in smoke.

 

[Plankton]

I don't know of many coaches around the league who coined such a term and used it over and over and over again, ad nauseam. Garrett is the one who started it, and beat the "RKG" drum year after year, almost as an excuse at times for why the team wasn't performing up to standard. Well, we don't have the RKG's in here yet, that's why we're 8-8.

Brian Kelly used it at Notre Dame starting in 2010.

 

[Bullflop]

Well it is a Garrett-used mantra, so...

I'm thinking it might be a good idea to give Garrett's RKG mantra a rest. It's starting to bear an odor of hypocrisy.

 

[Doomsday101]

I think the definition of RIGHT KINDA GUY changes depending on what KINDA mood Garrett is in at the moment he's speaking.

yet I hope he continues to look for those right kind of guys. Who are self motivated, dedicated and team players who put team goals ahead of themselves. Does not mean every guy will end up fitting that mold but I think every coach out there is looking for that kind of guy.

I think Garrett critics love bringing it up but yet Garrett is not alone in looking for those players

 

[Doomsday101]

I'm thinking it might be a good idea to give that RKG mantra a rest. It's starting to carry an odor of hypocrisy.

why? They should always be looking for those players and I think there are many on this team who do fit that bill.

 

[Bullflop]

why? They should always be looking for those players and I think there are many on this team who do fit that bill.

When there are constantly so many that don't fit that bill each and every offseason, it just doesn't ring true anymore. It's easy to be forgiving when you're a Cowboys fan but outside of that membership, that mantra appears quite false and deceptive.

 

[Doomsday101]

When there are constantly so many that don't fit that bill each and every offseason, it just doesn't ring true anymore. It's easy to be forgiving when you're a Cowboys fan but outside of that membership, the image appears quite false.

But it rings true to those players he is pointing out as those RKG. Much of what coaches talk about is more for the players than it is for the fans. Clearly Cowboys will take chances on players with a past like McClain, hell he had issue we knew it but given the low risk contract and length of contract it made it worth while for the Cowboys to take a chance given the talent. Again I don't excuse players actions and regardless if Garrett talks about RKG or not does not change the fact that these are the guys you will build around.

 

[CyberB0b]

http://nflarrest.com/

Don't let facts get in the way of anyone's agenda, though...

Like these facts?

 

[Bullflop]

But it rings true to those players he is pointing out as those RKG. Much of what coaches talk about is more for the players than it is for the fans. Clearly Cowboys will take chances on players with a past like McClain, hell he had issue we knew it but given the low risk contract and length of contract it made it worth while for the Cowboys to take a chance given the talent. Again I don't excuse players actions and regardless if Garrett talks about RKG or not does not change the fact that these are the guys you will build around.

If that RKG mantra is meant for the players and not the general public, the organization should preach it to the players only and not go public with it. Garrett preaches it for public consumption on a constant basis. It's called hypocrisy when it's preached for that type of an audience.

 

[Howboutdemcowboys31]

100% Cop-out statement - There is a problem

I'm not coping out. It worries me and pisses me off. I'm not naive though. All teams have good guys and scum bags. We're getting caught more frequently.

Damien Wilson situation is unique to us, but fighting in clubs smoking weed and driving drunk I guarantee is happening with every team

 

[WoodysGirl]

When are people here going to get over the RKG thing? Really.

Every coach, gm or personnel will use this phrase or their own similar phrase to justify them drafting a player, bringing in a FA or trading for a player to come to their team.

The term they use can mean whatever they want it to mean in under to justify it.

If a guy is a boy scout and plays hard and never has been in trouble Byron Jones...RKG.
If a guy plays hard but has been in a little bit of trouble before Dak (dui before the draft)...RKG
If a guy has a load athletic talent but has yet to materialize on the field and they can get him for a bargain, whether he is a saint or not David Irving(during the draft they took him off their boards) ...RKG
If a guy has a great deal of talent and has produced on the field but has been in trouble for off the field issues and they can get him for a deal, Greg Hardy...RKG
If a guy is super talented and has not had trouble off the field but is known as a cancer in the locker room for more than one team even turning on coaches and QBs, T.O....RKG (although to be fair this was under Bill not Jason


RKG is just an excuse to explain why they brought in this or that player. It can mean anything they want. He is a hard worker, he stays out of trouble, he might get in trouble but he plays hard, he might not have lived up to his potential and needs coached up but there is talent there, he has been in a good deal of trouble but he is talented enough they are willing to take a gamble on him for the right price and his former teammates loved him. blah blah blah

And yet year after year, thread after thread someone comes in and acts like it is a way to belittle the coach, the GM or whoever in this organization.

They are no different than any other team when they use an excuse to bring in someone or keep someone or justify a player being on the roster.

Some time ago in yet another one of these type of threads I went through a list of some of the top coaches who were also seen as disciplinarian coaches who have all had players that have gotten in trouble in one form or the other but the coaches kept them on the roster until they had to get rid of them later.

The really ironic thing about this is during draft time when some of us don't want troubled players even though they are really talented (Randy Gregory)...people on here will say...we need players not boy scouts. I have seen some of the same people who have said that in order for us to draft a player like Gregory, turn around and complain about the Coaches and staff for taking a player like Gregory when Gregory continues to do what Gregory did in college.
The irony is incredible.

Quoting, because this needs to be read on the second page of this post too.

 

[Doomsday101]

If that RKG mantra is for the players only and not the general public, the organization should preach it to the players only and not go public with it. Garrett preaches it nationwide for public consumption on a constant basis. It's called hypocrisy when it's used in that kind of a forum.

Sorry I disagree. Trying to get players who are RGK is not hypocrisy but it is naïve to think every player will fit will end up fitting that billing. These are all young men and they all come with some risk character wise. On the field you can see the work and dedication and teams know some of these young men have made mistakes in the past and teams pay attention to it and sit with players during interview process to try and get a feel. Is there 100% way to get RKG? No, even guys with clean records are going in many cases from poor conditions into instant millionaires with very little idea of what pitfall are out there no there is not but striving to get those players to build your organization around is still a goal

 

[DOUBLE WING]

yet I hope he continues to look for those right kind of guys. Who are self motivated, dedicated and team players who put team goals ahead of themselves. Does not mean every guy will end up fitting that mold but I think every coach out there is looking for that kind of guy.

I think Garrett critics love bringing it up but yet Garrett is not alone in looking for those players

We've lost more players to suspension during Garrett's tenure than any other point in Cowboys history, including the 90s.

The problem isn't finding the RKG. The problem is whether Garrett is the right kinda guy, to be looking for the right kinda guy, because right now Garrett's track record with finding the right kinda guy is looking kinda putrid.

 

[Doomsday101]

We've lost more players to suspension during Garrett's tenure than any other point in Cowboys history, including the 90s.

The problem isn't finding the RKG. The problem is whether Garrett is the right kinda guy, to be looking for the right kinda guy, because right now Garrett's track record with finding the right kinda guy is looking pretty putrid.

and I expect nothing less from his critics. I will not make excuses for poor behavior of any player and again in some of these instance it was a major risk giving certain players another chance. McClain did he deserve another chance? seems after season 1 many here felt it was the right move until it wasn't yet we all knew there were major question marks. Same with Gregory and really same with Dak who had an off the field issue. I wish I could say all guys who are given 2nd chances are smart enough to take advantage of the opportunity but that is not the case.

I think Cowboys have been doing a much better job of bringing in young talent and winning with these young guys most who are good guys but unfortunately not every guy is going to get it and that falls on them not the organization or the coaches, these are not little boys or even college kids these are grown men accountable for their own actions.

 

[Bullflop]

Sorry I disagree. Trying to get players who are RGK is not hypocrisy but it is naïve to think every player will fit will end up fitting that billing. These are all young men and they all come with some risk character wise. On the field you can see the work and dedication and teams know some of these young men have made mistakes in the past and teams pay attention to it and sit with players during interview process to try and get a feel. Is there 100% way to get RKG? No, even guys with clean records are going in many cases from poor conditions into instant millionaires with very little idea of what pitfall are out there no there is not but striving to get those players to build your organization around is still a goal

No need to apologize . . . we can agree to disagree. To my way of thinking you don't proclaim your team to be dedicated to being the right kind of guys when they're constantly proving otherwise. It should be something that the team strives for, not something that's cast about to the general public to whitewash an image that is constantly being tarnished. Cowboys fans might swallow that stuff and there nothing wrong with preaching that to players as an ideal but trying to give the public that impression when they see something else carries the odor of deception. That's my opinion and I disagree with yours just as strongly as you do mine, I assure you. Too bad we don't see eye to eye on this but that's life.

 

[LocimusPrime]

It's coach speak. Like corporate speak.

Corporations love terms like- team player, team building, culture, yada yada yada.


Nobody really pays attention to that junk. Just usually play on the phone while they're doing their presentations. Sorry HR!