News: PFT: Elliott's dad says "legal team is ready to fight"

[Bullet22]

http://dal.247sports.com/Bolt/Report-Ezekiel-Elliott-filed-harassment-complaint-on-accuser-106146456

 

[xwalker]

I don't think this is decision is remotely about race. It is about 1. Cowboys negative bias and 2. The NFL going overboard and caring noting about the facts to appear hard on domestic violence.

Having said that 1.play whatever card it takes to win and 2. If the victim said that he won't win because he is black and she is white, I'm not sure how anyone could believe anything she said in this matter.

The girl referenced race if you read the article at the link in the OP.

 

[lockster]

If the evidence don't fit. Ezekiel shouldn't sit.

 

[lockster]

I

I think it's pointless to fight.


Just like in the Brady case, Goodell has too much power that everyone signed for. He can do whatever he wants.



The best we can hope for is that a neutral arbitrator goes over it and is allowed to rule on it.

The NFL has made up their mind though and want to look tough for so many of their past screw up. Being fair doesn't matter.

its not s waste, it may not help Zeke, but it may help others down the road, and maybe change the nfl. The laws, the next players/nfl contract, public opinions and so on. When u fight for justice, ur fighting for everyone in the world.

 

[bigbob]

Why? There is plenty of evidence supporting that he didn't deserve 6 games.

DV is either 6 games or 0 games so it had to be six games pretty simple.
I have to wonder if all you guys would be as upset or defending Elliot if he wasn't a cowboy let's say he was a giant I bet none of you would care.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

DV is either 6 games or 0 games so it had to be six games pretty simple.
I have to wonder if all you guys would be as upset or defending Elliot if he wasn't a cowboy let's say he was a giant I bet none of you would care.

Uh...of course we care when one of our own is Goodells lynchpin of the moment.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

DV is either 6 games or 0 games so it had to be six games pretty simple.
I have to wonder if all you guys would be as upset or defending Elliot if he wasn't a cowboy let's say he was a giant I bet none of you would care.

Like I said it would depend what the evidence was but I've been against Goodell and his inconsistent suspension methods for years. Has nothing to do with the Cowboys although this makes me angrier. the guy is destroying the game I love.

 

[ConstantReboot]

DV is either 6 games or 0 games so it had to be six games pretty simple.
I have to wonder if all you guys would be as upset or defending Elliot if he wasn't a cowboy let's say he was a giant I bet none of you would care.

Oh yes I would. Because if they can do that to someone who is innocent, they can also do it to one of the Cowboys.

 

[Sydla]

For the NFL's case, there is:

- Metadata from her phone can confirm Elliott and her were together at times on the days in question
- Data from the photos confirms the photos were taken around the time of the incidents
- Columbus investigator told the NFL that they generally believed her
- Other off the field transgressions paint a picture of Elliott being a wild child off the field
- The logic that because Elliott can't prove how she got the bruises, therefore, it must mean Elliott did it.

In Elliott's favor:

- Alleged victim was caught lying about one incident of violence
- Alleged victim tried to get a friend to lie for her
- Multiple witnesses have contradicted her accounts
- Alleged victim appears to have harassed Elliott at multiple times
- Witnesses and text messages show that she threaten Elliott where she would put his career in jeopardy
- There is a plausible explanation for some of her bruises. There is an affidavit and two other witnesses claiming the girl got into a fight with another girl one night.
- The league's own lead investigator, the woman Goodell put in charge to handle these matters, was hesitant here with regards to the credibility of the alleged victim.
- At least one of the medical experts apparently admitted that some of the injuries could have happened before the week in question.

The NFL has wide latitude for sure here, but their case is a pretty standard circumstantial evidence case. Based on the rules in the CBA, that might be more than enough.

It will be interesting to see what legal paths Elliott's team takes. I don't think the suspension is getting reduced, or at least reduced far enough to make Elliott think about taking the deal, so this will likely go to court.

 

[Sydla]

DV is either 6 games or 0 games so it had to be six games pretty simple.
I have to wonder if all you guys would be as upset or defending Elliot if he wasn't a cowboy let's say he was a giant I bet none of you would care.

I defended Brady during his affair.

So yeah, I can say I would be defending other players here. I've long had an issue with Goodell.

 

[Tass]

I don't think for a minute that anyone, Elliott, his team, Jerry Jones anybody was prepared for the NFL to rule like they did given what evidence there was. Not based off of precedence at least.

I didn't think for a minute that ANYONE could find OJ Simpson innocent of murder.

Never overestimate the IQ of your fellow citizen.

 

[goshan]

For the NFL's case, there is:

- Metadata from her phone can confirm Elliott and her were together at times on the days in question
- Data from the photos confirms the photos were taken around the time of the incidents
- Columbus investigator told the NFL that they generally believed her
- Other off the field transgressions paint a picture of Elliott being a wild child off the field
- The logic that because Elliott can't prove how she got the bruises, therefore, it must mean Elliott did it.

In Elliott's favor:

- Alleged victim was caught lying about one incident of violence
- Alleged victim tried to get a friend to lie for her
- Multiple witnesses have contradicted her accounts
- Alleged victim appears to have harassed Elliott at multiple times
- Witnesses and text messages show that she threaten Elliott where she would put his career in jeopardy
- There is a plausible explanation for some of her bruises. There is an affidavit and two other witnesses claiming the girl got into a fight with another girl one night.
- The league's own lead investigator, the woman Goodell put in charge to handle these matters, was hesitant here with regards to the credibility of the alleged victim.
- At least one of the medical experts apparently admitted that some of the injuries could have happened before the week in question.

The NFL has wide latitude for sure here, but their case is a pretty standard circumstantial evidence case. Based on the rules in the CBA, that might be more than enough.

It will be interesting to see what legal paths Elliott's team takes. I don't think the suspension is getting reduced, or at least reduced far enough to make Elliott think about taking the deal, so this will likely go to court.

I believe the bar fight occurred after the alleged abuse (the three days) and associated time stamps. But I am not positive that is true. Also the NFL's medical examiner confirmed the injuries were consinstent with abuse and tiffany's testimony of the events.

That being said, agree it's completely circumstantial. But the NFL has complete ability to make this call how they see it. There is no due process here.

 

[Tass]

He has a voice, but if he's smart he won't use it. Let the legal team take care of it. Stay out of trouble. Lay low in every way.

But if he's smart he won't use it
If he's smart he won't
If he's smart
Smart...

 

[ThreeandOut]

I believe the bar fight occurred after the alleged abuse (the three days) and associated time stamps. But I am not positive that is true. Also the NFL's medical examiner confirmed the injuries were consinstent with abuse and tiffany's testimony of the events.

That being said, agree it's completely circumstantial. But the NFL has complete ability to make this call how they see it. There is no due process here.

If she had the precence of mind to meticulously photograph her bruises, how come she didn't show them to her friends at the time? It would have further confirmed her story and, unlike other areas of her story, the friends wouldn't have to lie about it.

 

[waldoputty]

For the NFL's case, there is:

- Metadata from her phone can confirm Elliott and her were together at times on the days in question
- Data from the photos confirms the photos were taken around the time of the incidents
- Columbus investigator told the NFL that they generally believed her
- Other off the field transgressions paint a picture of Elliott being a wild child off the field
- The logic that because Elliott can't prove how she got the bruises, therefore, it must mean Elliott did it.

In Elliott's favor:

- Alleged victim was caught lying about one incident of violence
- Alleged victim tried to get a friend to lie for her
- Multiple witnesses have contradicted her accounts
- Alleged victim appears to have harassed Elliott at multiple times
- Witnesses and text messages show that she threaten Elliott where she would put his career in jeopardy
- There is a plausible explanation for some of her bruises. There is an affidavit and two other witnesses claiming the girl got into a fight with another girl one night.
- The league's own lead investigator, the woman Goodell put in charge to handle these matters, was hesitant here with regards to the credibility of the alleged victim.
- At least one of the medical experts apparently admitted that some of the injuries could have happened before the week in question.

The NFL has wide latitude for sure here, but their case is a pretty standard circumstantial evidence case. Based on the rules in the CBA, that might be more than enough.

It will be interesting to see what legal paths Elliott's team takes. I don't think the suspension is getting reduced, or at least reduced far enough to make Elliott think about taking the deal, so this will likely go to court.

What was left out was:

Goodell/NFL

suspended white player 1 game and many black player multiple games after 6-same mandatory policy
suspended white player 1 game with the player admitting DV infractions while admitting the accuser has lied and attempted to falsify evidence and the investigator did not trust her words
admitted commissioner was not there when talking to accuser
admitted did not talk to important witnesses in elliott's favor


As stated, one method to attack the nfl is through the equal opportunity commission. you cannot punish white players less than black players, particularly when the white player admitted guilt while the black player's accuser is proven liar and tried to falsify evidence. And the lying and attempt to falsify evidence was known when the punishment was handed down.

 

[Sydla]

What was left out was:

Goodell/NFL

suspended white player 1 game and many black player multiple games after 6-same mandatory policy
suspended white player 1 game with the player admitting DV infractions while admitting the accuser has lied and attempted to falsify evidence and the investigator did not trust her words
admitted commissioner was not there when talking to accuser
admitted did not talk to important witnesses in elliott's favor


As stated, one method to attack the nfl is through the equal opportunity commission. you cannot punish white players less than black players, particularly when the white player admitted guilt while the black player's accuser is proven liar and tried to falsify evidence. And the lying and attempt to falsify evidence was known when the punishment was handed down.

You keep pushing the race angle but it's a losing battle. One white guy getting a 1 game punishment isn't proof of any racial impropriety.

Frankly, if the Elliott team tried to push that angle, that would be embarrassing and, at least to me, a desperate hail mary indicating that Elliott probably did do something wrong and they are just looking for any way out.

 

[ksg811]

What was left out was:

Goodell/NFL

suspended white player 1 game and many black player multiple games after 6-same mandatory policy
suspended white player 1 game with the player admitting DV infractions while admitting the accuser has lied and attempted to falsify evidence and the investigator did not trust her words
admitted commissioner was not there when talking to accuser
admitted did not talk to important witnesses in elliott's favor


As stated, one method to attack the nfl is through the equal opportunity commission. you cannot punish white players less than black players, particularly when the white player admitted guilt while the black player's accuser is proven liar and tried to falsify evidence. And the lying and attempt to falsify evidence was known when the punishment was handed down.

An EEOC case would do nothing here. The NFL has one huge point that they can keep harping on, Molly Brown would not talk to them whereas Tiffany Thompson did. Victim/Accuser testimony is a big point when it comes to disciplinary action to the NFL. That is the one big discrepancy between the two cases that would make an EEOC case fairly easy for the NFL - Though it would likely still be a PR nightmare for the league.

 

[waldoputty]

You keep pushing the race angle but it's a losing battle. One white guy getting a 1 game punishment isn't proof of any racial impropriety.

Frankly, if the Elliott team tried to push that angle, that would be embarrassing and, at least to me, a desperate hail mary indicating that Elliott probably did do something wrong and they are just looking for any way out.

it is a public relations war as well as a legal war.
parents have already started it with the black man- white woman - be smart stuff
if you dont see this coming, i dont know what to tell you.

what is the downside of filing with EEOC?
there is only 1 white case so do you ignore it when it happened AFTER the 6-game mandatory rule and the white player admitted guilt while zeke's accuser is a proven liar and shown to try to falsify evidence?
i dont see any as i dont even see any counter suits

this is war, and there is no room for embarrassment.
play whatever card you have as well as you can.
take no prisoners.

 

[waldoputty]

An EEOC case would do nothing here. The NFL has one huge point that they can keep harping on, Molly Brown would not talk to them whereas Tiffany Thompson did. Victim/Accuser testimony is a big point when it comes to disciplinary action to the NFL. That is the one big discrepancy between the two cases that would make an EEOC case fairly easy for the NFL - Though it would likely still be a PR nightmare for the league.

a PR nightmare would be a win and thus a credible threat.
to make it a credible threat, you need to act on it like the parents tweeting about white woman- black man - be smart
that is where jerry can go to the other owners and push from things from getting out of control and costs them branding and money.
jerry "i cannot control elliott, and we need to do something before things get out of control with protests and riots."

skank talked but lied. investigator even said skank cannot be trusted.
the all powerful CBA does not allow the NFL to change the suspension?

 

[diefree666]

An EEOC case would do nothing here. The NFL has one huge point that they can keep harping on, Molly Brown would not talk to them whereas Tiffany Thompson did. Victim/Accuser testimony is a big point when it comes to disciplinary action to the NFL. That is the one big discrepancy between the two cases that would make an EEOC case fairly easy for the NFL - Though it would likely still be a PR nightmare for the league.

so the proven liar chose to talk to them. Think about that.