Can The NFL Fans Do A No-Show One Week To Send a Message?

[YosemiteSam]

People as a whole only stop doing things as they lose interest in them. With most "I'm not buying, using, watching, etc." protests, for every person who does actually stop, there's at least one new person curious about what's going on or that supports or favors the change that person who left was against, so they replace them, which masks and negates any intended action.

In the end, intentional changes of interests rarely last and, even when they do, they rarely have an effect. What actually does impact things is people permanently losing interest in something as it changes into something they don't like. However, that is rarely an abrupt process, but rather one that happens over time without much notice until one day, people realize they aren't watching or doing something any more they used to do regularly.

This is what I've been saying. My boycotting has nothing to do with the anthem. It has everything to do with the league making the game distasteful for me to watch. Aggravation I do not need in my life and therefore choose to boycott it. (actually boycotting is probably not the right word. Loose interest is a more correct phrase)

 

[JoeKing]

Is this a serious post? If it is, I am done. We good.

Okie dokie, thought policeman.

 

[Romo_To_Dez]

I am aware of the case and I'm telling you that's not exactly what happen despite you insisting so. The cop also told the man to stop because he thought he saw a gun. The man black gentleman failed to comply with the cops command and so he thought the guy was drawing out the gun that he already thought he saw.



It most certainly is an isolated incident yet you keep attempting to make blanket statements which makes it hard for us to have a conversation. I've asked you to give case by case examples so we can fairly discuss the matter. When you say, "bunch of people in the position of the police force", it's not helpful to our conversation. Which people? Have you got names? You seem to be unwilling to have an honest conversation.



You are making assumption that only exasperate the conversation? Have you not ever worked for someone that had a ideology different than yours? It doesn't make you accountable to their believes and you wouldn't like people accusing you of supporting their beliefs. So stop making those assumptions about others.

That's not an excuse to me. It was like a few seconds between the cop asking for the license, the man reaching for it, and the cop shooting. He shot at the man before he even gave the man a chance to stop. And if a cop is paranoid over a person having a gun, then asking them to reach for something doesn't make much sense.

I'm sure that if the man ignored the cop completely and didn't reach for his license at all, then there would be people saying he didn't comply with the cop. So even in the case of where the man was honestly trying to comply he still gets blamed. And the cops who do wrong are never held accountable or are to blame for their actions.

 

[JoeKing]

The problem is people act on their thoughts.

The problem is that some people see a black person in a white neighborhood and immediately think he has to be a criminal.

That's a real problem and what these protests are about. That there is still a culture in this country that believes blacks are below whites and it festers up in police actions, etc. at times. That's the type of thinking and acting people are trying to change.

And maybe they never will be able to but how can you fault anyone for wanting to try to change that type of thinking and acting? How can one be bitter that they are doing something peacefully that is allowed by the Constitution of the United States? How can one be upset that when you actually sit down and think about it, whether these players stand or sit, doesn't change your life one bit?

You can not police the thoughts of others. It is not illegal to be a racist. Change will never come by trying to so so. It's a generational thing that can only be corrected by proper teaching our children. The adult racist are a lost cause that are accountable for their actions if they do act on their beliefs.

 

[dogunwo]

No, if you

So it's not really about actually fixing a problem for you, it's about making him pay the price for being racist.




YR

If you counsel him, maybe he can gain a new understanding of his problem. Thus, resolving his issue.

 

[JoeKing]

That's not an excuse to me. It was like a few seconds between the cop asking for the license, the man reaching for it, and the cop shooting. He shot at the man before he even gave the man a chance to stop. And if a cop is paranoid over a person having a gun, then asking them to reach for something doesn't make much sense.

The cop has a right to defend himself if he believes a gun is being drawn on him. He did gave the man time to comply and the driver failed to do so. He didn't think he saw until after after he asked the man for his license. I've seen the video and the cops was absolved of any wrong doing.

I'm sure that if the man ignored the cop completely and didn't reach for his license at all, then there would be people saying he didn't comply with the cop. So even in the case of where the man was honestly trying to comply he still gets blamed. And the cops who do wrong are never held accountable or are to blame for their actions.

People that know the full facts are saying he didn't comply with the cop but you insist on listening to the people that don't know the facts and say otherwise. You are again making blanket statements when you say, "the cops who do wrong are never held accountable or are to blame for their actions". I know of plenty of cases of police doing wrong and being punished.

 

[Sydla]

You can not police the thoughts of others. It is not illegal to be a racist. Change will never come by trying to so so. It's a generational thing that can only be corrected by proper teaching our children. The adult racist are a lost cause that are accountable for their actions if they do act on their beliefs.

So basically.

Don't try to change anything. Especially if the methods to bring change make me bitter.

Maybe we'll get lucky and the next generation won't be so racist.

Just out of curiousity, how do you suspect we correct this through children when some children are brought up by racists and taught to be racists and other children are brought up by people who look at the NFL players as spoiled babies, ruining their football game experience over something they don't view as important enough for players to speak out about?

 

[JoeKing]

No, if you
If you counsel him, maybe he can gain a new understanding of his problem. Thus, resolving his issue.

That's like saying, "if you counsel an anti-Trump person he can gain new understanding on the President's agenda" That would be so bad. Adult people think what they think.

 

[JoeKing]

So basically.

Don't try to change anything. Especially if the methods to bring change make me bitter.

Maybe we'll get lucky and the next generation won't be so racist.

Just out of curiousity, how do you suspect we correct this through children when some children are brought up by racists and taught to be racists and other children are brought up by people who look at the NFL players as spoiled babies, ruining their football game experience over something they don't view as important enough for players to speak out about?

NO it's not do nothing. I did not say do nothing. Change... real lasting change does not come as fast as you want it to and you can not force it. Change comes with teaching our children properly.

 

[Romo_To_Dez]

The cop has a right to defend himself if he believes a gun is being drawn on him. He did gave the man time to comply and the driver failed to do so. He didn't think he saw until after after he asked the man for his license. I've seen the video and the cops was absolved of any wrong doing.





People that know the full facts are saying he didn't comply with the cop but you insist on listening to the people that don't know the facts and say otherwise. You are again making blanket statements when you say, "the cops who do wrong are never held accountable or are to blame for their actions". I know of plenty of cases of police doing wrong and being punished.

And the cop being absolved of any wrong doing is why people protest police brutality. In cases like with you where you are excusing the cop of all blame and putting it on the man who reached for his license. So, even if the man complies and reaches for his license like the cop asked him to, then he deserves to be shot because of what the cop thought he saw?

The cop defending himself against what, since the man was reaching for his license and not trying to threaten the cop. That man also had the right to go on about his day and not be shot because of what a cop thought that he saw. A cop's right isn't more important than a man who was doing no wrong to warrant being shot.

Cops are rarely held accountable, most of them get off because of the thinking that cops are in the right 100% of the time. And people using the same defense that you are for the cop, that he feared for his life and had a right to defend himself no matter what the situation is.

 

[Sydla]

NO it's not do nothing. I did not say do nothing. Change... real lasting change does not come as fast as you want it to and you can not force it. Change comes with teaching our children properly.

And if you look throughout the history of this country, real change came from acts, even widely debated acts like what the NFL players are doing.

So again, how in the world can you have an issue with this? Especially when it doesn't change your life one bit?

 

[JoeKing]

And the cop being absolved of any wrong doing is why people protest police brutality. In cases like with you where you are excusing the cop of all blame and putting it on the man who reached for his license. So, even if the man complies and reaches for his license like the cop asked him to, then he deserves to be shot because of what the cop thought he saw?

The cop defending himself against what, since the man was reaching for his license and not trying to threaten the cop. That man also had the right to go on about his day and not be shot because of what a cop thought that he saw. A cop's right isn't more important than a man who was doing no wrong to warrant being shot.

Cops are rarely held accountable, most of them get off because of the thinking that cops are in the right 100% of the time. And people using the same defense that you are for the cop, that he feared for his life and had a right to defend himself no matter what the situation is.

I'm not going to waste my time on this conversation repeating myself... the cop has the right to defend himself. You can remain thickheaded and forever propagate a false narrative like "hands up, don't shot". Or you can accept what I am telling you.

It's obvious people with your opinion will never see eye to eye with people like me on the facts. That's exactly why this protest is a futile exercise.

 

[CowboyStar88]

I, for one, will not watch the game on TV this weekend!



Cause it's not being shown in S Fl.
Got to find a stream.

As for the fans going, I doubt a majority of fans who bought tickets will not show. And then the majority of fans upset, would probably just sell the tickets on a 3rd party website like Stubhub, to recoup some money that they spent on the tickets.

@Ghost12 bro my bad I got you confused lol sorry man. This is what I was referring to.

 

[JoeKing]

And if you look throughout the history of this country, real change came from acts, even widely debated acts like what the NFL players are doing.

So again, how in the world can you have an issue with this? Especially when it doesn't change your life one bit?

I'm looking at the same history you are and I disagee. Real change comes generationally. These protest are futile.

 

[Romo_To_Dez]

I'm not going to waste my time on this conversation repeating myself... the cop has the right to defend himself. You can remain thickheaded and forever propagate a false narrative like "hands up, don't shot". Or you can accept what I am telling you.

It's obvious people with your opinion will never see eye to eye with people like me on the facts. That's exactly why this protest is a futile exercise.

Yes, we'll just agree to disagree on this one since you don't understand where I am coming from.

 

[JoeKing]

Yes, we'll just agree to disagree on this one since you don't understand where I am coming from.

...and vice verse. Thanks for the civil conversation none the less. Go Cowboys!!

 

[Yakuza Rich]

No, if you
If you counsel him, maybe he can gain a new understanding of his problem. Thus, resolving his issue.

Okay, but you didn't state that in your post. What you stated in your post was distinctly the opposite:

I am not even sure firing him was the right thing to do. I just said firing didn't resolve the issue. I would have preferred public apology and counseling. If he really is a racist, that would probably hurt him more than just a firing.

There was no attempt to have him gain a new understanding according to you.

Personally, I think he should be fired. Obviously there is individual racism in law enforcement and the police and the community cannot afford to have to question a known racist's mentality when he's supposed to protect and serve all of the people.




YR

 

[Ghost12]

@Ghost12 bro my bad I got you confused lol sorry man. This is what I was referring to.

No worries.

 

[Philmonroe]

The cop has a right to defend himself if he believes a gun is being drawn on him. He did gave the man time to comply and the driver failed to do so. He didn't think he saw until after after he asked the man for his license. I've seen the video and the cops was absolved of any wrong doing.



People that know the full facts are saying he didn't comply with the cop but you insist on listening to the people that don't know the facts and say otherwise. You are again making blanket statements when you say, "the cops who do wrong are never held accountable or are to blame for their actions". I know of plenty of cases of police doing wrong and being punished.

Bold is a copout for many. One day a person is like person x wasnt charged next day its even though person x wasn't charged they still did something. Unless you personally believe every legal case is 100% right I don't think you or anybody should use that well they got off excuse.

 

[Philmonroe]

So basically.

Don't try to change anything. Especially if the methods to bring change make me bitter.

Maybe we'll get lucky and the next generation won't be so racist.

Just out of curiousity, how do you suspect we correct this through children when some children are brought up by racists and taught to be racists and other children are brought up by people who look at the NFL players as spoiled babies, ruining their football game experience over something they don't view as important enough for players to speak out about?

Unfortunately there will never be a world without racist and if by chance it was nothing left but one race there would be some other form of discrimination. History seems to show that. There is nothing you can do unless people do something stupid. It happens but being realistic most people stick to their own groups for the most part you don't really have much interaction with those extreme people of any group the majority of the time. I mean if we are being honest most even on here probably mostly hang around and or are close friends with their own. That's just how it is. A lot of people for some reason self segregate when they can.