Can The NFL Fans Do A No-Show One Week To Send a Message?

[Yakuza Rich]

Did Krawetz get jail time? If the answer is no then that was not mistruth nor error. The article says he wanted his job back not that he did.

It's a mistruth because it makes it sound like Krawetz just went about his business as usual.

Instead, he was suspended *without* pay and the DA who you thought could not possibly be fair prosecuted him and got him a 10-year sentence. It was the judge who suspended the sentence. Nothing the DA can do about that.

He ended up not getting his job back which is a key piece in all of this. As you said about it being impossible to get rid of bad cops...well they got rid of this one.

Do you disagree that the bodies that convicted them were independent without a conflict of interest?

You're complaining that the judicial 'body' has a conflict of interest...but they still convicted these officers.

Every judicial body in the case of trying bad officers is going to have a conflict of interest. Even if you had officers from Rhode Island being tried by a DA and judge in California there is still a conflict of interest given that they are involved with law enforcement.

Do you disagree that those cops got to keep their jobs and pay in the interim?

Yes.

Some of them were suspended without pay. And each of them lost their job for good.

And they still deserve some sort of judicial process to determine their innocence as they are innocent until proven guilty.

And good luck ever trying to get around that with PBA lawyers

You of course ignored all of the articles facts about extra rights that police goet over US citizens. Do you disagree with the following?

Of course they get 'extra rights' than citizens. And they should.

For instance, if a police officer is chasing a suspect who actually didn't commit the crime but the officer *think* he did and while he's chasing the suspect the suspect suffers a heart attack the officer is not culpable according to the law. Nor should they be.

However, if a citizen is chasing after another citizen and the same thing happens, that citizen will be culpable. And that citizen should be.

In the case of the cop, even though the cop made a judgment error in going after the wrong person, the citizen should have never ran from the police. And if you were to arrest and convict the officer based on that, then you put a lot of doubt into officers trying to do their job.

Oh and of course are do you work in law enforcement?

Just like my father didn't coach football.




YR

 

[Sydla]

I'm looking at the same history you are and I disagee. Real change comes generationally. These protest are futile.

Wait, so all those civil rights protests and the civil rights movement were meaningless? I understand why you would say this because it would undercut your entire theory here.

You can disagree all you want, but you'd be infinitely wrong.

 

[JoeKing]

Wait, so all those civil rights protests and the civil rights movement were meaningless? I understand why you would say this because it would undercut your entire theory here.

You can disagree all you want, but you'd be infinitely wrong.

There you go putting words in my mouth. That's because you do not want to listen. Don't you dare wonder why you aren't being heard when you refuse to listen. Hear this! Colin Kaepernick is no Rosa Parks.

 

[CF74]

I disagree.

45/55?

60/40

30/70?

Or flip it...

 

[JoeKing]

45/55?

60/40

30/70?

Or flip it...

49/51

 

[risco]

Can we organize this with all the other upset fans of how we are sick and tired of this kneel,hide in the tunnels,fist in the air crap? Do your stupid protest and game to an empty stadium.I believe the NFL will get the message then.

It doesn't bothers me. People have a right to protest, so what is the problem?

 

[CowboyStar88]

Jesus christ, sorry man

bakersfield - damn

lol It was hot has **** out there lol

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

I'm looking at the same history you are and I disagee. Real change comes generationally. These protest are futile.

Braindead and shortsighted comment.

Rosa Parks refusing to give up her seat was a singular moment that sparked a movement, in the same regard Kaepernick was the first athlete to kneel/sit down during the anthem and now this is a national topic (and global) with entire teams altering their approach to paying tribute to the anthem, including the Cowboys.

If internet message boards existed in the 50s you'd be on there heehawing "she (Rosa Parks) didn't do nothin' special!"

 

[JoeKing]

Braindead and shortsighted comment.

Rosa Parks refusing to give up her seat was a singular moment that sparked a movement, in the same regard Kaepernick was the first athlete to kneel/sit down during the anthem and now this is a national topic (and global) with entire teams altering their approach to paying tribute to the anthem, including the Cowboys.

If internet message boards existed in the 50s you'd be on there heehawing "she didn't do nothin' special!"

You are a prisoner of the moment. I've said it before.... Kaepernick is no Rosa Parks.

 

[TheDude]

lol It was hot has **** out there lol

Not sure how dwight yoakum survived there

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

You are a prisoner of the moment. I've said it before.... Kaepernick is no Rosa Parks.

Were you around for when Rosa Parks refused to give up her seat?

 

[Romo_To_Dez]

You are a prisoner of the moment. I've said it before.... Kaepernick is no Rosa Parks.

Maybe decades from now people will look at Kaepernick the same way that they do towards Rosa Parks. Rosa Parks and the whole Civil rights movement in general was opposed back then by many people. So, years from now it will be seen similar to how black people took a seat at Whites only lunch counter or Rosa Parks refusing to give up her seat. People casted the civil rights movement in a bad light, like they are doing with Kaepernick right now.

Just like how people back then thought that it wasn't the right time for black people to be able to go in the same public spaces where white people could go. Some were so against the civil rights movement that they used police dogs/fire hoses against peaceful protesters.

Only time will tell how Kaepernick and the current players protesting is viewed decades from now in American history.

 

[JoeKing]

Were you around for when Rosa Parks refused to give up her seat?

What if I was on the bus and applauded her. What different does it make where I was at that time? It's been over 60 years since she made her stand... that's three generations and with each generation racial equality get's better. It didn't happen over night as you are saying. It took time, awareness had to sink in slowly and the way we teach our children corrected to encourage racial equity.

 

[JoeKing]

Maybe decades from now people will look at Kaepernick the same way that they do towards Rosa Parks. Rosa Parks and the whole Civil rights movement in general was opposed back then by many people. So, years from now it will be seen similar to how black people took a seat at Whites only lunch counter or Rosa Parks refusing to give up her seat. People casted the civil rights movement in a bad light, like they are doing with Kaepernick right now.

Just like how people back then thought that it wasn't the right time for black people to be able to go in the same public spaces where white people could go. Some were so against the civil rights movement that they used police dogs/fire hoses against peaceful protesters.

Only time will tell how Kaepernick and the current players protesting is viewed decades from now in American history.

Yeah keep dream.

He was raised by a fine white family after being reject by his biological parents so if what you are saying did happy, there is some irony there.

 

[CalPolyTechnique]

What if I was on the bus and applauded her. What different does it make where I was at that time? It's been over 60 years since she made her stand... that's three generations and with each generation racial equality get's better. It didn't happen over night as you are saying. It took time, awareness had to sink in slowly and the way we teach our children corrected to encourage racial equity.

Thanks for walking right into it.

She made a decision to make a stand in a singular moment that reverberated in time. Kaepernick is no different in that regard and you are already seeing the impact his protest has made.

Yet, in complete hypocrisy and shortsightedness, you're trying to evaluate Kaepernick's impact in the moment.

This is the problem homeschool; that one-on-one learning creates an echo chamber where you have no sense of how ridiculous you sound.

 

[JoeKing]

Thanks for walking right into it.

She made a decision to make a stand in a singular moment that reverberated in time. Kaepernick is no different in that regard and you are already seeing the impact his protest has made.

Yet, in complete hypocrisy and shortsightedness, you're trying to evaluate Kaepernick's impact in the moment.

This is the problem homeschool; that one-on-one learning creates an echo chamber where you have no sense of how ridiculous you sound.

Kaep's message of hate for a country that gave him everything is not going to reverberate into anything but a country in civil war if it continues. You are so caught up in trying to insult me you don't see your own misguided ignorance.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

It's a mistruth because it makes it sound like Krawetz just went about his business as usual.

Instead, he was suspended *without* pay and the DA who you thought could not possibly be fair prosecuted him and got him a 10-year sentence. It was the judge who suspended the sentence. Nothing the DA can do about that.

He ended up not getting his job back which is a key piece in all of this. As you said about it being impossible to get rid of bad cops...well they got rid of this one.



You're complaining that the judicial 'body' has a conflict of interest...but they still convicted these officers.

Every judicial body in the case of trying bad officers is going to have a conflict of interest. Even if you had officers from Rhode Island being tried by a DA and judge in California there is still a conflict of interest given that they are involved with law enforcement.




Yes.

Some of them were suspended without pay. And each of them lost their job for good.

And they still deserve some sort of judicial process to determine their innocence as they are innocent until proven guilty.

And good luck ever trying to get around that with PBA lawyers



Of course they get 'extra rights' than citizens. And they should.

For instance, if a police officer is chasing a suspect who actually didn't commit the crime but the officer *think* he did and while he's chasing the suspect the suspect suffers a heart attack the officer is not culpable according to the law. Nor should they be.

However, if a citizen is chasing after another citizen and the same thing happens, that citizen will be culpable. And that citizen should be.

In the case of the cop, even though the cop made a judgment error in going after the wrong person, the citizen should have never ran from the police. And if you were to arrest and convict the officer based on that, then you put a lot of doubt into officers trying to do their job.





Just like my father didn't coach football.

YR

Krawetz’s attorney, Gary Gentile, declined to comment after the hearing’s opening arguments last month, the station said.

The criminal case against Krawetz isn’t the first for him: In 2001, he pleaded no contest on a charge of simple assault against a man who was jogging.

He was suspended for 30 days, although the police chief at the time had recommended he be fired, WPRI said.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...uffed-woman-face-fights-job-article-1.1112719

Krawetz was also convicted of misdemeanor assault in 2001 after an off-duty confrontation with a man who was jogging in Cumberland. He was suspended from the police force for 30 days following that conviction, and town officials recommended to the police chief at the time that Krawetz should be fired.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/crime/krawetz.asp

You sure do like missing the point of the article. Krawetz was convicted in March. It was not his first assault conviction and he kept his job that time despite his chief wanting him gone. And he still got to keep his job for 3 months and avoid jail for a felony conviction. Why? because of LEOBOR laws:

Under the Law Enforcement Officers Bill of Rights, a three-member panel of police officers will decide his professional fate after what is expected to be three days of hearings.

Meanwhile you keep moving the goalposts desperately making any excuse you can think of.

And you did not even read what I quoted about LEOBOR laws. No one is saying they should not get due process. What is being said is they should not get special rights during legal proceedings that citizens do not enjoy.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Kaep's message of hate for a country that gave him everything is not going to reverberate into anything but a country in civil war if it continues. You are so caught up in trying to insult me you don't see your own misguided ignorance.

So you are going to go with the race war message too. Cannot say I am surprised.

 

[JoeKing]

So you are going to go with the race war message too. Cannot say I am surprised.

Colin Kaepernick's own words: I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color.

So it is about his hate for a country that gave him everything. Meanwhile he wears a pro- Fidel Castro shirt, further polluting his already misguided message.

 

[Romo_To_Dez]

Yeah keep dream.

He was raised by a fine white family after being reject by his biological parents so if what you are saying did happy, there is some irony there.

But, you can't speak for the people who will be born after this and who will look back on it, like people born after the civil rights movement look on it's impact on history.