The Impossible (but Only) Solution

[superonyx]

And how does taking a knee during the national anthem help any of those people you pretend to care so much about?

Is this a serious question?
Do you really not have any idea how social changes come? Civil rights marches, gay rights, etc..some dolt said the same thing to them.

 

[Ghost12]

Is this a serious question?
Do you really not have any idea how social changes come? Civil rights marches, gay rights, etc..some dolt said the same thing to them.

Yes I know how social changes come. If anything, this one is backfiring. So stop pretending like these players taking a knee is improving the situation they are protesting against (whatever they happen to be protesting this week).

 

[superonyx]

Yes I know how social changes come. If anything, this one is backfiring. So stop pretending like these players taking a knee is improving the situation they are protesting against (whatever they happen to be protesting this week).

This was people said about civil rights marches also...guess what? They were wrong.

 

[JoeKing]

Yea because you have shown to be just so intelligent and clever.
You said nothing even worth debating. Read through this thread and see the type of posters I will engage in healthy conversations. Then look at your post.

Pound your chest and convince yourself that somehow a person on the internet is afraid of your intellect.
When someone is so clearly a disgusting racist I won’t waste time proving what they already have proven...that they are an idiot.

That's right, just beat that "racist" drum harder and hope it sticks because you scared.

Your idiot diatribes are dismissed so easily. You need folks to be divided so you have an audience. God forbid if that dude you pigeon holed as a racist actually wasn't and countered every false narrative you pedal with hard hitting facts and reasoned argument. Yeah, you don't want to deal with that. Better keep him at bay so you don't have to be embarrass. Wise strategy.

 

[EST_1986]

What do some of you think about this photo? A guy kneeling at the Tomb of Unknown Soldier. That is completely unacceptable and actions like that are going to derail any good that can come of this whole situation.

Someone should have drop kicked him in the back of the head

 

[JoeKing]

Someone should have drop kicked him in the back of the head

LOL, Stop it.... violence is not the answer.

 

[EST_1986]

LOL, Stop it.... violence is not the answer.

Maybe a solid slap to the side of the head would suffice

 

[JoeKing]

Maybe a solid slap to the side of the head would suffice

Be ready to do a 180 and run.

 

[EST_1986]

Be ready to do a 180 and run.

With that much of a crowd the fight would only last a solid 20-30 seconds

 

[Cmac]

If I'm the league, I have the teams stay in the lorckerrooms for the anthem the rest of the season, and I have a moment of silence before each game prior to the anthem where everyone can focus on whatever generic message of unity each stadium wants to offer up for the next 3-4 weeks until the controversy boils over and we can get back to football. Teams can and should support players with the social issues involved elsewhere, outside of game day.

And then let's get on with it.

Problem for some will be, as in the message lost right now: What happens when the generic message is not what you deem worthy or your generic message is not heard?

 

[Doomsday101]

100% agree. And you opened another pandoras box with the welfare thing! That is right up there with the biggest problems this country is facing!



Btw, thanks to the mods who are allowing this type of discussion to take place. It's appreciated!

When I was very young my parents lived in Government housing, my dad had dropped out of school and joined the Navy but he would go back and get his GED. My mom did not work for a few years until I got a bit older. She worked at a bank but both worked hard and by the time they had retired my Dad was a mechanical engineer and my mom retired as Assistance VP of Bank of America. Now they have a very comfortable live but I saw the early years when is was a constant struggle. There is nothing wrong with people getting a helping hand but there is no reason for anyone to remain on it. It was not easy but through persistent and hard work people can better themselves.

 

[TWOK11]

The freedoms we should not enjoy. To fix the problem (and why I believe it is impossible) we must fix the constitution. That’s right, no more freedom of speech. No more freedom of expression. No more saying whatever we want however we want whenever we want.

Complete and total nonsense

The freedom to more or less do and say as we please is one of the primary reasons why America is the greatest country to yet exist. The issue is not our freedoms, it's the inability of many to cope with different viewpoints.

Moreover, where would you draw the line? What constitutes hateful/disparaging remarks? I'm not a religious man, but I will defend to the death the right of the religious to believe, preach and practice. Do we start punishing churches/mosques/synnogoues who preach against homosexuality? Or fornication? Or those who get abortions?

What about Hollywood, do we force them to stop making all movies and documentaries that in any way touch on controversial topics? Even historical ones?

Do we start punishing "offensive" comments made anonymously online?

 

[TheDude]

The nation is in an uproar. For the most part, I’ve remained pseudo-neutral on the topic of debate. While admittedly, I haven’t exactly remained quiet on the issue, I also haven’t picked up the torch for either side. Recently, I pointed out the faults in both sides of the argument (e.g. the players actions only mean something to the wrong audience and the wrong audience response to it is a waste of energy and time for something that in no way tangibly effects them), however, what I did not do is present a solution because I believe the solution is largely out of reach for our collective nation.


Then the unthinkable happened. The players protest affected me in a tangible way (not that it is necessarily their fault). I texted my parents this morning in hopes of catching the next noon game with them as a family only to find out my father is boycotting the NFL in response to the protest. For some, that may mean nothing, but for me our family watching football together was one of the most important past times that shaped my young life. It was one of those times where regardless of our differences, we came together as a family to enjoy the game and by extension each other’s company. And now in my adulthood with a family of my own (wife and two boys), it is one of the few times we can find a pretext to get together and rekindle our familial-bond. Granted, we don’t need a game to accomplish that, but it’s the vehicle to that experience we know and love together.


In a last ditch effort (however feeble or effective) to maintain my grip on that favorite pastime of my family, here’s the Nation’s much-needed solution:


The solution is simple in the telling, but (I believe) impossible in the execution.


Let’s start with the “Why.”


Imagine your mind is a bottomless pond fed by five tributaries. Each river represent a sense (Sight, Hearing, Taste, Touch, & Smell). When you are young, all manner of God’s creatures are represented with one exception: Predators. As you grow and are introduced to various forms of expression with various intent, the opportunity for predators to be introduced to this pond increase exponentially.


The issue is when you introduce a predator (which represent the negative in this world) is the eventual and subsequent result of these predators eating all of the herbivores (which represent the good in this world). This means, of course, the earlier a predator is introduced to a child’s development, the more dangerous that person’s pond (mind) can become to not just the bearer of that mind but to everyone that mind comes in contact with.


As we grow older, experiences allow for various filters (or damns) to be put in place that either weed out the predators or the herbivores, dependent on the nature of those experiences. This is a paramount understanding to the issues that oppresses everyone (and, yes, I mean everyone, regardless of race, sex, sexual orientation, or creed) in America today.


The root cause of these issues?


The freedoms we should not enjoy. To fix the problem (and why I believe it is impossible) we must fix the constitution. That’s right, no more freedom of speech. No more freedom of expression. No more saying whatever we want however we want whenever we want.


Why?


If not for our sake, our future sake…our children’s sake who lack the fundamental ability to discern the good from the bad. These sensory injections shape our children’s perspective on the world that surrounds them; how they view the world and how they act as a result.


Now for the (Impossible) “How.”


We need to delete from our collective conscious, our hard drives, our smart phones, our clouds, our internet every cd/movie/other form of entertainment any and all music, TV shows, video games, movies (or other form of political or artistic expression) that make disparaging remarks about race, sexual preference, political affiliation, creed, sex, and the police/government. That’s right, no more NWA, no more Beastie Boys, no more Eminem, no more celebration of drug use, a life of crime, murder, rape, or any other negative unproductive use of our time regardless of their stated intent. If it can be misperceived as a celebration of that life, even in the form of ones testimony as to why they turned away from it, it should be deleted (ideally worldwide, but nationwide would be a beautiful beginning). Obviously, this would also mean a nationwide ban on the production of such forms of entertainment/expression/political views going forward.


Now I get it. This is not a popular (and most likely impossible) solution. But considering the “Why” I already covered, it is the only solution, regardless if you accept that as truth or not. Whether or not you believe in God or the bible (Philippians 4:8 / Ephesians 4:17-19), science itself backs my assertions. The unconscious mind believes everything it hears, says, feels, taste, and smells. The unconscious mind lacks the discernment to decide between what is a truth and what is a lie; what is good for us and what is bad for us. So everything you feed your mind has an impact on how you perceive and view the world. It shapes your perspective and how you act accordingly. And this, of course, is especially the case for our children who lacks the experience (damns) to filter out predators that can otherwise pollute their young minds.


People are often under the mistaken impression that we can only eat things that are bad for us. The truth is, everything we consume (with every sense we experience the world through) can have a positive or negative impact on both our physical and spiritual body.


The ugly truth is it’s too late for many of us; the proverbial die has been cast as far as how we adults see and perceive the world. But it’s not too late for our future generations. Every day that these various negative forms of expression exist in our world, another child is exposed to the potential of becoming a racist, a bigot, a rapist, a criminal, or perhaps the worst thing they could possibly become: a hero in the eyes of the world who champions these various negative expressions (singer with a negative outlook/rapper who celebrates crime, drug use, hate towards the different or police themselves/bigot politician that would speak against a race, sex, religious belief/athlete whose negative actions off the field of play are shouted from the rooftops/police officer who racially profiles and has an automated fear-response to seeing a person of different race and acts with overt or passive aggression as a result).


As has been stated by many, what these protest and boycotts lack is an offered and acceptable solution. Like it or not, above is your only solution. Whether or not our nation applies it (which I doubt) is beside the point. Because if we can all at least recognize that the above is the only solution, maybe (just maybe) we can collectively (at least) agree that we American’s still have it pretty good as compared to most of the world, agree that we aren’t perfect but thank God we aren’t who we were as a country in yesteryears, and maybe we can just agree to disagree and get back to watching and enjoying football as one big national family.

Freefoms we should not enjoy....can you be remotely seious as a human being woth that?

 

[jday]

Freefoms we should not enjoy....can you be remotely seious as a human being woth that?

As many times I said "impossible" I'd hoped people understood that as it is impossible to fix completely the inequalities these players are protesting against, we might just agree to disagree and get back to enjoying the game. Or did you not read it all?

 

[jday]

Complete and total nonsense

The freedom to more or less do and say as we please is one of the primary reasons why America is the greatest country to yet exist. The issue is not our freedoms, it's the inability of many to cope with different viewpoints.

Moreover, where would you draw the line? What constitutes hateful/disparaging remarks? I'm not a religious man, but I will defend to the death the right of the religious to believe, preach and practice. Do we start punishing churches/mosques/synnogoues who preach against homosexuality? Or fornication? Or those who get abortions?

What about Hollywood, do we force them to stop making all movies and documentaries that in any way touch on controversial topics? Even historical ones?

Do we start punishing "offensive" comments made anonymously online?

Exactly...I hope you read it all, because that was essentially the point. It is impossible to fix because we can't control what people become. However, the only way to do it is to control what they consume through their eyes and their ears during their formative years. Otherwise, people will continue to become racist, bigots, and everything in between that leads to the inequalities in our nation. So you can either appreciate the freedoms we enjoy along with all the evil that freedom creates, or you can sacrifice your freedoms for the greater good. As I said, that's the point. I think people, when they consider what they have to sacrifice to make America perfect, would rather just agree to disagree and get back to watching football without all the protest and resulting boycotts. Savvy?

 

[TheCount]

I think people, when they consider what they have to sacrifice to make America perfect, would rather just agree to disagree and get back to watching football without all the protest and resulting boycotts. Savvy?

Agreeing to disagree on what, exactly?

 

[jday]

Agreeing to disagree on what, exactly?

It was open-ended; meant to imply everything we disagree on.

 

[TheCount]

It was open-ended; meant to imply everything we disagree on.

Agreeing to disagree on everything is apathy. An Apathetic America is not a perfect America by anyone's definition.

That in itself is a sacrifice no one should be willing to make.

 

[jday]

Agreeing to disagree on everything is apathy. An Apathetic America is not a perfect America by anyone's definition.

That in itself is a sacrifice no one should be willing to make.

You are misreading it. Essentially, we can sacrifice the freedoms we enjoy to curve the resulting bigots and racist or we can enjoy the freedoms we enjoy and agree to disagree.

 

[TWOK11]

Somewhere along the way it stopped being ok to politely disagree with people. Now we have to demonized those who don't share our views, to the point of attacking their character.

Words like bigot and racist have lost all meaning because we throw them around so flippantly.