Dak numbers without Zeke

Love the excuses that he is a second year QB, when the only reason he was starting in place of Romo was because we were 'winning' and in win now mode... now it's suddenly about re-building with this all-pro OL...
 
starcity214 said:
No!!

We are cowboys fans!

I guess while other teams lock up first round byes we should be content that we won on a fluke play...

Is that what real fans do?
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No, real fans, like your glorious self, come here and post inane and nonsense like yourself.

Take a bow, my dear.
 
khiladi said:
Love the excuses that he is a second year QB, when the only reason he was starting in place of Romo was because we were 'winning' and in win now mode... now it's suddenly about re-building with this all-pro OL...
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"Re-building"

Wot?

He is a second year QB who played through some adversity. Is 8-6 in his year two, and has us in the hunt.
 
Toruk_Makto said:
A) Individual records for qbs are stupid.

B) I would tend to agree with this.... Except this fanbase was giddy and all too happy to run off a dominant qb to insert this young kid. So to me that's the standard.
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What I would LOVE for the networks to do is start showing more of the angle that Thursday night football started - kind of an All-22 look...........so we can ALL see the same thing Dak has been seeing. I think that would help all of us in our praise/critique of him. So many times we are beating each other up over what we think we saw from the normal angle. I go back to the 'Skins game when people were blasting him for taking that sack early in the game. When the ESPN crew showed the replay from the endzone angle, I saw absolutely NO ONE open. In fact, that angle cast even more of a shadow on the terrible route concepts employed by this version of the Air Coryell offense - every route was more than 15 yards downfield even though the 'Skins tipped off their blitz plans. Then, last night we saw a similar situation - the almost pick to Beasley. The showed the endzone angle again - once again, everyone was like 20 yards downfield (TWill hadn't even turned around yet). Dez broke open late - after he passed the safety. But, Dak had already decided to throw to Beasley. NO ONE RAN A DAMN ROUTE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE FIELD!!!!!!!!!!!!!! These route concepts are HS level in their simplicity. :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
 
And RG3 has almost an equivalent rookie year as Dak, so acting like that is evidence for his soon-to-be greatness is absurd. The criticisms of Dak's play, in particular this year, are exactly what his identified weaknesses were in his scouting reports before he was drafted.

Teams have adjusted, particularly in the underneath routes for Beasley and there is only so much an OC can do. On the same series Dak finally connected with Bryant on a go-route, where Dez caught it with one hand and was actually being interfered with, on the first play of the series, Linehan motioned Dez in the slot and got 1 on 1 coverage and had him run a dig and Dez was wide-open and Dak sailed it five feet over Dez's head.... most Dak homers blamed Linehan for not running on that down..

And the INT was his fault, not Dez.. first of all, it was a bad read, because Bowman dropped back into that very area where Dak was throwing to Dez. Besides the fact he put it in front of him, leaving his WR open to get blasted by Bowman, he sailed it high like usual. Last time against GB, when TWill got the throw behind him in the zone on a stop route, with Clay Matthews on the inside like 5 feet away, the one that led to it bouncing off his chest and into the DB for an INT, Dak homers were saying that Dak did that intentionally, otherwise Clay would have had an INT or hit him...

the excuses for this guy's accuracy issues is comical...
 
starcity214 said:
You missed my point.

With Dak as our QB going forward, we have no real shot at winning anything of significance.

We faced a TERRIBLE Oakland pass defense and we still needed luck to save our season.

Wave your pom poms all you want but we should be worried going forward.

We Dak "haters" are misunderstood.

We are no different than Garrett "haters"...

At the end of the day, we win despite both Dak and Garret and not because of them..
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Holy hyperbole and hyper-spacing, Batman
 
Toruk_Makto said:
A) Individual records for qbs are stupid.

B) I would tend to agree with this.... Except this fanbase was giddy and all too happy to run off a dominant qb to insert this young kid. So to me that's the standard.
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Run off a broken down QB who never reached the conference finals? Okay
 
Mr Cowboy said:
I don't think Dak is up to last year's standard, but then again, I don't think Brees or Brady could play up to their standards running this high school offense. Defenses have only to defend from the numbers to the sidelines on passing downs, and not worry about the middle of the field. It has gotten worse this year. The offense has changed quite a bit since Linehan came in. When Romo had Austin and Crayton, they played the slot and were terrors in the middle of the field, running slants and crossing patterns. When Linehan came in, and Beasely came on board, the middle of the field has just about disappeared from the offense. No more Witten up the seams. This offense is so predictable. I would love to see Dak and Zeke in an offense with quick passes, crossing patterns, pick plays, but keeping the same running game. This offense needs more speed on the outside, with good pattern runners. People complain about Dak not throwing the deep pass.... To who?

I heard Babe on the radio last week, he was talking about his conversation with Linehan and Marrinelli. He said both of them told him that this is their offense/defense and they will not change it. They told him it is simple and basic and their philosophy is the simplify things and keep perfecting the execution of those few plays, and eventually get it the team to perfectly execute the system which will beat the other team. They said that they don't spend the bye week designing different plays, they work on perfecting the execution of their system. Contrast that to Reid and McVay who have said that they spend a lot of time designing new plays. Andy says he watches a lot of college football and steals their plays. Our coaches think their outdated systems are perfect and don't need tweaking.
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You can't even make this stuff up. The stubbornness of these coaches continues to ruin this team. :facepalm:
 
Trouty said:
"Re-building"

Wot?

He is a second year QB who played through some adversity. Is 8-6 in his year two, and has us in the hunt.
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The guy is a game manager... Our OL dominated the Skins and Giants and even this game, he had plenty of time when Morris had like 60 yards in the first half. And Chris Jones fake punt when our offense looked pathetic again..
 
khiladi said:
And RG3 has almost an equivalent rookie year as Dak, so acting like that is evidence for his soon-to-be greatness is absurd. The criticisms of Dak's play, in particular this year, are exactly what his identified weaknesses were in his scouting reports before he was drafted.

Teams have adjusted, particularly in the underneath routes for Beasley and there is only so much an OC can do. On the same series Dak finally connected with Bryant on a go-route, where Dez caught it with one hand and was actually being interfered with, on the first drive, Linehan motioned Dez in the slot and got 1 on 1 coverage and had him run a dig and Dez was wide-open and Dak sailed it five feet over Dez's head....

And the INT was his fault, not Dez.. first of all, it was a bad read, because Bowman dropped back into that very area where Dak was throwing to Dez. Besides the fact he put it in front of him, leaving his WR open to get blasted by Bowman, he sailed it high like usual. Last time, when TWill got the throw behind him in the zone on a stop route, with Clay Matthews on the inside like 5 feet away, the one that led to it bouncing off his chest and into the DB for an INT, Dak homers were saying that Dak did that intentionally, otherwise Clay would have had an INT or hit him...

the excuses for this guy's accuracy issues is comical...
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Wot?

RG3's rookie year was nothing like Dak's.
 
khiladi said:
The guy is a game manager... Our OL dominated the Skins and Giants and even this game, he had plenty of time when Morris had like 60 yards in the first half. And Chris Jones fake punt when our offense looked pathetic again..
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The guy is a year 2 QB. We don't know what he is.

... other than an 8-6 QB in his year two, despite his coaching and brain trust.
 
Trouty said:
The guy is a year 2 QB. We don't know what he is.

... other than an 8-6 QB in his year two, despite his coaching and brain trust.
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Actually, Linehan deserves credit for simplifying the offense for this guy's limitations... just like he deserves credit for last year for making this whole offense run on play-action..
 
Trouty said:
Nah, it wasn't...
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He threw for 65%, 20 TDs and 5 INTs and a playoff birth.. with an 8.1 YPA average... and a QBR of 102

Yes, it was... he had statistically one of the all-time high rookie years, just like Dak...
 
khiladi said:
Actually, Linehan deserves credit for simplifying the offense for this guy's limitations... just like he deserves credit for last year for making this whole offense run on play-action..
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Oh, now we like Linehan?

Let me get my pad and paper so I can keep track.

RG3 was a gimmick QB who was injury prone by the end of his rookie year. God save the Queen and Linehan
 
Trouty said:
Oh, now we like Linehan?

Let me get my pad and paper so I can keep track.

RG3 was a gimmick QB who was injury prone by the end of his rookie year. God save the Queen and Linehan
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I've always thought Linehan was decent... One year with Romo, they were robbed in Green Bay... In Detroit, the guy put of top offense year in and out and he's well respected in the league as an OC...

And Dak is also a "gimmick", with his read-option and Linehan having to ushe half the field for his first season.. That's why they run the bootleg so much for him...

And none of that changes the fact that statistically, their rookie years were comparable and when defenses adjusted, they both came crashing down to earth...
 
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